Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Mar 8, 2019 12:47:49 GMT -5
No. I am more of the truth must be believed kind. I do not subscribe that anyone “must be believed” because they make an allegation. Several Democrat Senators and other flacks leapt immediately to “she must be believed” before they had fact one. Just as several on the Republicans would not have believed her if she had a video. Her actions werenot bad; her testimony rang empty in its lack of fundamental detail other than Kavanaugh did it. Not where; not when; not how she got there; not how she got home. Just don’t buy it. I believe you were calling it bs before you even knew her name or heard her story though. She did provide some of that info, but I don't understand how that makes her a liar because she didn't remember every detail. My mother died unexpectedly 5 years ago. I do remember where I was, but I can't remember what day I got the call, what time it was, how I got home etc... That doesn't mean it didn't happen. People respond to traumatic experiences in different ways. That's not proof that she is lying in any way I said I don’t buy it. I didn’t say I know for sure. I said the story rings empty to me. It rings differently to you and I don’t take issue with what you take from her testimony. My problem is with the “she must be believed crowd”. Why?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 8, 2019 12:59:24 GMT -5
I believe you were calling it bs before you even knew her name or heard her story though. She did provide some of that info, but I don't understand how that makes her a liar because she didn't remember every detail. My mother died unexpectedly 5 years ago. I do remember where I was, but I can't remember what day I got the call, what time it was, how I got home etc... That doesn't mean it didn't happen. People respond to traumatic experiences in different ways. That's not proof that she is lying in any way I said I don’t buy it. I didn’t say I know for sure. I said the story rings empty to me. It rings differently to you and I don’t take issue with what you take from her testimony. My problem is with the “she must be believed crowd”. Why? But you never gave her an opportunity to be believed. Before you even knew her name or her story you labelled it b.s. How is that different? IMO Victims should be believed until proven otherwise. Acussers should be believed until proven otherwise. Trust but verify. That's the reason why imo an investigation should have been a no brainer. Why leave it up for debate?
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 8, 2019 13:06:19 GMT -5
I believe you were calling it bs before you even knew her name or heard her story though. She did provide some of that info, but I don't understand how that makes her a liar because she didn't remember every detail. My mother died unexpectedly 5 years ago. I do remember where I was, but I can't remember what day I got the call, what time it was, how I got home etc... That doesn't mean it didn't happen. People respond to traumatic experiences in different ways. That's not proof that she is lying in any way I said I don’t buy it. I didn’t say I know for sure. I said the story rings empty to me. It rings differently to you and I don’t take issue with what you take from her testimony. My problem is with the “she must be believed crowd”. Why? Be fair though Elvado, the "must be believed" was said in the context that her allegations should be investigated...
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Post by puthath on Mar 8, 2019 13:41:14 GMT -5
I said I don’t buy it. I didn’t say I know for sure. I said the story rings empty to me. It rings differently to you and I don’t take issue with what you take from her testimony. My problem is with the “she must be believed crowd”. Why? Be fair though Elvado, the "must be believed" was said in the context that her allegations should be investigated... Dr. Fraud was as big a hoax as Jessie Smollett. It was a despicable political hit job from the start. Thank goodness that the Republicans did not fold, as they are won’t to do.
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puthath
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Post by puthath on Mar 8, 2019 13:41:24 GMT -5
Be fair though Elvado, the "must be believed" was said in the context that her allegations should be investigated... Dr. Fraud was as big a hoax as Jessie Smollett. It was a despicable political hit job from the start. Thank goodness that the Republicans did not fold, as they are wont to do.
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hoya9797
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Post by hoya9797 on Mar 8, 2019 13:45:28 GMT -5
No. I am more of the truth must be believed kind. I do not subscribe that anyone “must be believed” because they make an allegation. Several Democrat Senators and other flacks leapt immediately to “she must be believed” before they had fact one. Just as several on the Republicans would not have believed her if she had a video. Her actions werenot bad; her testimony rang empty in its lack of fundamental detail other than Kavanaugh did it. Not where; not when; not how she got there; not how she got home. Just don’t buy it. I believe you were calling it bs before you even knew her name or heard her story though. She did provide some of that info, but I don't understand how that makes her a liar because she didn't remember every detail. My mother died unexpectedly 5 years ago. I do remember where I was, but I can't remember what day I got the call, what time it was, how I got home etc... That doesn't mean it didn't happen. People respond to traumatic experiences in different ways. That's not proof that she is lying in any way Frankly, the fact that her memory was incomplete is a point in her favor. That's the way memory works so if she had come in with a detailed and seemingly perfect recollection of what happened, it would be suspect.
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EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 8, 2019 14:13:52 GMT -5
Be fair though Elvado, the "must be believed" was said in the context that her allegations should be investigated... Dr. Fraud was as big a hoax as Jessie Smollett. It was a despicable political hit job from the start. Thank goodness that the Republicans did not fold, as they are won’t to do. As usual you completely missed the point of the discussion, smh...
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Post by tashoya on Mar 8, 2019 15:34:30 GMT -5
Be fair though Elvado, the "must be believed" was said in the context that her allegations should be investigated... Dr. Fraud was as big a hoax as Jessie Smollett. It was a despicable political hit job from the start. Thank goodness that the Republicans did not fold, as they are won’t to do. Not true. When it comes to Republicans and their alleged sexual predation, they are remarkably consistent. It's always, "Nothing to see here."
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Mar 8, 2019 15:38:42 GMT -5
Dr. Fraud was as big a hoax as Jessie Smollett. It was a despicable political hit job from the start. Thank goodness that the Republicans did not fold, as they are won’t to do. Not true. When it comes to Republicans and their alleged sexual predation, they are remarkably consistent. It's always, "Nothing to see here." Puthath, when you answer tas, please provide examples of your claim that Republicans "are won't to do [fold]." This is more FoxNews/Republican victim speak.
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Post by hoyarooter on Mar 8, 2019 20:54:35 GMT -5
Dr. Fraud was as big a hoax as Jessie Smollett. It was a despicable political hit job from the start. Thank goodness that the Republicans did not fold, as they are wont to do. Oh, I'm sure you have lots of proof of that. Let 'er rip. It's of no consequence, I guess, that Cavanaugh lied repeatedly about his youthful misadventures rather than fess up to them and say "so what?" Who has less credibility? Cavanaugh could have said, "Yes, I drank often to excess when it wasn't even legal for me to do so. Yes, I engaged in sex games. I did a lot of things then that I'm not proud of now. But I didn't do this." But nope, he just chose to lie over and over, and the Republicans didn't give a damn. But Cavanaugh is credible, and Dr. Ford is a fraud? You're full of it.
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puthath
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Post by puthath on Mar 8, 2019 22:05:30 GMT -5
Oh, I'm sure you have lots of proof of that. Let 'er rip. It's of no consequence, I guess, that Cavanaugh lied repeatedly about his youthful misadventures rather than fess up to them and say "so what?" Who has less credibility? Cavanaugh could have said, "Yes, I drank often to excess when it wasn't even legal for me to do so. Yes, I engaged in sex games. I did a lot of things then that I'm not proud of now. But I didn't do this." But nope, he just chose to lie over and over, and the Republicans didn't give a damn. But Cavanaugh is credible, and Dr. Ford is a fraud? You're full of it. How do you know he lied? “Sex games”? You have a vivid imagination...
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puthath
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Post by puthath on Mar 8, 2019 22:09:33 GMT -5
Not true. When it comes to Republicans and their alleged sexual predation, they are remarkably consistent. It's always, "Nothing to see here." Puthath, when you answer tas, please provide examples of your claim that Republicans "are won't to do [fold]." This is more FoxNews/Republican victim speak. Folding such as campaigning of repeal and replace Obamacare without any plan to actually do so. Or campaign on fiscal responsibility but waste taxpayer money on massive budgets. And back to the topic if sexual misconduct - Bill Clinton getting blown in the Oval Office by a 22 year old and lying under oath yet he is Democrat hero.
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Post by puthath on Mar 8, 2019 22:09:59 GMT -5
Puthath, when you answer tas, please provide examples of your claim that Republicans "are won't to do [fold]." This is more FoxNews/Republican victim speak. Folding such as campaigning of repeal and replace Obamacare without any plan to actually do so. Or campaign on fiscal responsibility but waste taxpayer money on massive budgets. And back to the topic of xual misconduct - Bill Clinton getting blown in the Oval Office by a 22 year old and lying under oath yet he is Democrat hero?
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puthath
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Post by puthath on Mar 8, 2019 22:12:53 GMT -5
And how about Avenatti’s victim? Another Democrat scam that almost succceeded...
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Mar 9, 2019 0:16:57 GMT -5
Puthath, when you answer tas, please provide examples of your claim that Republicans "are won't to do [fold]." This is more FoxNews/Republican victim speak. Folding such as campaigning of repeal and replace Obamacare without any plan to actually do so. Or campaign on fiscal responsibility but waste taxpayer money on massive budgets. And back to the topic if sexual misconduct - Bill Clinton getting blown in the Oval Office by a 22 year old and lying under oath yet he is Democrat hero. He's a hero? Who knew? People like that he balanced the budget and hate that he lied about getting blown. Seems trivial these days, no? FWIW, Democrats also hate that he gutted regulations making 2008 possible that your beloved Trump thinks wasn't going far enough. Sensible people don't blindly support any massively flawed people but current Republicans certainly seem to have forgotten that. Clearly, you're in that same septic tank. It's stunning what you find offensive from 20 years ago that doesn't phase you a bit today. If that's your version of progress, have at it. You didn't address the sexual predator component because you can't. And the Kavanaugh part with the sex game he admitted himself and then lied about what it was. Under oath. If you don't realize that, you're either now lying or being intentionally ignorant/obtuse.
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Mar 9, 2019 0:33:22 GMT -5
Puthath, when you answer tas, please provide examples of your claim that Republicans "are won't to do [fold]." This is more FoxNews/Republican victim speak. Folding such as campaigning of repeal and replace Obamacare without any plan to actually do so. Or campaign on fiscal responsibility but waste taxpayer money on massive budgets. And back to the topic if sexual misconduct - Bill Clinton getting blown in the Oval Office by a 22 year old and lying under oath yet he is Democrat hero. FWIW, that's what Republicans have lied about/ran upon for 3 decades. When were they last about fiscal responsibility? If you're holding out for them to take a whack at it, I hope you live a very, very, very long time. Even Paul Ryan would agree. Same with, literally, any social program. They will cut it. Period. No replacement necessary. They justify it by saying that anyone that needs or, God forbid, relies on it, is a horrible person or is undeserving or unwilling to work or a parasite or whatever the most current word for "priced out of the current economy" happens to be. Which, for as long as I can remember, also includes those that never had much of a chance to "lift themselves up by their bootstraps" in the first place.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Mar 9, 2019 1:56:32 GMT -5
Puthath, when you answer tas, please provide examples of your claim that Republicans "are won't to do [fold]." This is more FoxNews/Republican victim speak. Folding such as campaigning of repeal and replace Obamacare without any plan to actually do so. Or campaign on fiscal responsibility but waste taxpayer money on massive budgets. That’s not folding; it’s lying. To fold would mean that they were in a battle and it was more convenient to give in. In both cases, they never intended to behave fiscally responsible (see sky-rocketing budget deficit) nor did they want to repeal and replace Obamacare. They had no plan for both, and still don’t, but that’s what the masses wanted to hear and believe. Trump and McCon played them like a fiddle. Looks to me like you were played.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 9, 2019 2:02:28 GMT -5
And back to the topic if sexual misconduct - Bill Clinton getting blown in the Oval Office by a 22 year old and lying under oath yet he is Democrat hero. Who said he was a hero? Where do you come up with this drama queen stuff? Fox News, right? Where they play the outraged victims... He was a great president, but he wasn’t a moral example of a husband.
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Post by puthath on Mar 9, 2019 9:22:48 GMT -5
And back to the topic if sexual misconduct - Bill Clinton getting blown in the Oval Office by a 22 year old and lying under oath yet he is Democrat hero. Who said he was a hero? Where do you come up with this drama queen stuff? Fox News, right? Where they play the outraged victims... He was a great president, but he wasn’t a moral example of a husband. I submit that there should be a uniform standard for both sides. But there isn’t. Ralph KKK-hood “Coonman” is still the D Governor of VA; his Lt Gov. is still in despite the leftist mantra of all women should be believed; and black face AG is still in office. And Bill Clinton sitting next to Farrakhan last year at Aretha’s funeral?
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puthath
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Post by puthath on Mar 9, 2019 9:26:34 GMT -5
Folding such as campaigning of repeal and replace Obamacare without any plan to actually do so. Or campaign on fiscal responsibility but waste taxpayer money on massive budgets. That’s not folding; it’s lying. To fold would mean that they were in a battle and it was more convenient to give in. In both cases, they never intended to behave fiscally responsible (see sky-rocketing budget deficit) nor did they want to repeal and replace Obamacare. They had no plan for both, and still don’t, but that’s what the masses wanted to hear and believe. Trump and McCon played them like a fiddle. Looks to me like you were played. We have been played by lying politicians forever. Bipartisan hypocrisy— Obama “if you like your doctor you can keep your doctor”, “ I will close Guantánamo”; McCain running on “repeal and replace” but marching in smirking with his thumb down on final vote...one can go on and on.
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