puthath
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Post by puthath on Apr 12, 2019 5:31:25 GMT -5
Obama started this policy. Why did we not see this outcry from the left then?
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 12, 2019 7:05:13 GMT -5
Obama started this policy. Why did we not see this outcry from the left then? Please link what you’re referring to Puthath...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2019 8:48:10 GMT -5
Obama started this policy. Why did we not see this outcry from the left then? Probably because that's not true.....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2019 9:50:29 GMT -5
Government of the trolls, by the trolls, and for the trolls. If Democrats welcome undocumented immigrants what is the problem with this? Or is it a bit of NIMBYism by blue states and cities? The problem is the plan, intent, and the mentality of the people who think that's a good idea. As a Government official tasked with keeping Americans safe you're releasing these people into communities with the hope that they stir things up and cause trouble. You're actually hoping that happens because you think that would help you politically. If some people get hurt, all good, even better... It has NOTHING to do with fear of the undocumented, and everything to do with fear of people who think Government should be used as a tool to punish your opponents.
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Post by Elvado on Apr 12, 2019 10:00:49 GMT -5
If Democrats welcome undocumented immigrants what is the problem with this? Or is it a bit of NIMBYism by blue states and cities? The problem is the plan, intent, and the mentality of the people who think that's a good idea. As a Government official tasked with keeping Americans safe you're releasing these people into communities with the hope that they stir things up and cause trouble. You're actually hoping that happens because you think that would help you politically. If some people get hurt, all good, even better... It has NOTHING to do with fear of the undocumented, and everything to do with fear of people who think Government should be used as a tool to punish your opponents. You are correct. Using the power of government to punish or obstruct political opponents is always wrong. Lois Lerner told me this.
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Post by badgerhoya on Apr 12, 2019 10:15:52 GMT -5
Government of the trolls, by the trolls, and for the trolls. If Democrats welcome undocumented immigrants what is the problem with this? Or is it a bit of NIMBYism by blue states and cities? I rest my case.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2019 10:21:10 GMT -5
The problem is the plan, intent, and the mentality of the people who think that's a good idea. As a Government official tasked with keeping Americans safe you're releasing these people into communities with the hope that they stir things up and cause trouble. You're actually hoping that happens because you think that would help you politically. If some people get hurt, all good, even better... It has NOTHING to do with fear of the undocumented, and everything to do with fear of people who think Government should be used as a tool to punish your opponents. You are correct. Using the power of government to punish or obstruct political opponents is always wrong. Lois Lerner told me this. Let's assume your framing is true. This idea came directly from the Trump White House. The IRS is an independent body. When did Obama or any other high ranking government official instruct Ms. Lerner to take that action??
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Post by Elvado on Apr 12, 2019 10:28:55 GMT -5
You are correct. Using the power of government to punish or obstruct political opponents is always wrong. Lois Lerner told me this. Let's assume your framing is true. This idea came directly from the Trump White House. The IRS is an independent body. When did Obama or any other high ranking government official instruct Ms. Lerner to take that action?? Independent of whom? The IRS is part of the Executive Branch last time I checked. That said, I was agreeing with you.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2019 10:40:13 GMT -5
Let's assume your framing is true. This idea came directly from the Trump White House. The IRS is an independent body. When did Obama or any other high ranking government official instruct Ms. Lerner to take that action?? Independent of whom? The IRS is part of the Executive Branch last time I checked. That said, I was agreeing with you. Yes, part of the Treasury. Meant to write "acted independently". This idea is coming directly from the Trump White House. Can you point to anything showing how the Obama White House instructed her to target his opponents? If not, it seems like you're trying to muddy the waters by drawing false equivalence.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2019 11:56:17 GMT -5
White House yesterday: "This was just a suggestion that was floated and rejected, which ended any further discussion.”
The dumbest part of this is it isn't going to hurt Democrats one bit. All it shows is we have a President who acts like the President of only a portion of the United States, and an enemy to the rest.
Folks on the right like to say Putin was just trying to "sow division" in the US with his election tampering. Ok, even if you want to dumb it down to that level it's clear he could not have found a better partner for that mission than Trump...
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Post by badgerhoya on Apr 12, 2019 12:59:40 GMT -5
If Democrats welcome undocumented immigrants what is the problem with this? Or is it a bit of NIMBYism by blue states and cities? The problem is the plan, intent, and the mentality of the people who think that's a good idea. As a Government official tasked with keeping Americans safe you're releasing these people into communities with the hope that they stir things up and cause trouble. You're actually hoping that happens because you think that would help you politically. If some people get hurt, all good, even better... It has NOTHING to do with fear of the undocumented, and everything to do with fear of people who think Government should be used as a tool to punish your opponents. Let me just change a few words here to make it even more clear the fact that the admin doesn't even believe migrants are even human -- just something to ship around to help their cause...
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Post by puthath on Apr 12, 2019 14:13:56 GMT -5
If Democrats welcome undocumented immigrants what is the problem with this? Or is it a bit of NIMBYism by blue states and cities? I rest my case. What is your objection to this policy?
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Post by badgerhoya on Apr 12, 2019 15:05:03 GMT -5
What is your objection to this policy? Is it really that hard to understand?
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Post by badgerhoya on Apr 12, 2019 15:09:56 GMT -5
That policy was wrong when they did it too. However, tell me when Obama himself declared a set of countries “holes?” Or when he said the country was full? Or when we should ban all entrants from majority Muslim countries? Or when he decided to troll GOP districts by forcibly pushing refugees there? I wait with bated breath.
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Post by puthath on Apr 12, 2019 15:52:55 GMT -5
What is your objection to this policy? Is it really that hard to understand? The Democrats have vigorously opposed every effort to deal with the crisis at the border. It is clear that the Democrats want more migrants to enter the country. So again, should the elected officials who refuse to cooperate object to welcoming migrants into their areas?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2019 16:53:31 GMT -5
The President is off the rails...
The President instructs law enforcement to break the law. If they do they will be rewarded with a Pardon.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 12, 2019 17:02:40 GMT -5
Is it really that hard to understand? The Democrats have vigorously opposed every effort to deal with the crisis at the border. It is clear that the Democrats want more migrants to enter the country. So again, should the elected officials who refuse to cooperate object to welcoming migrants into their areas? The idea that New Yorkers are scared of immigrants is hilariously stupid.... People who live in Sanctuary cities, like San Fransisco, probably know they live in sanctuary cities. But there's a nice underlying racist thought that people in San Diego, San Fran, or any other city, will suddenly be scared to be around brown people. The problem here is the President and his cohorts believe you should use Government as a method to punish your enemies. Is that how you think Government should be used? What part of that is Conservative? Just going to drop this here before you start spreading a bunch of disinformation.
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Post by hoya9797 on Apr 12, 2019 17:13:11 GMT -5
Is it really that hard to understand? The Democrats have vigorously opposed every effort to deal with the crisis at the border. It is clear that the Democrats want more migrants to enter the country. So again, should the elected officials who refuse to cooperate object to welcoming migrants into their areas? Crisis at the border. What a joke.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Apr 12, 2019 17:19:31 GMT -5
The Democrats have vigorously opposed every effort to deal with the crisis at the border. It is clear that the Democrats want more migrants to enter the country. So again, should the elected officials who refuse to cooperate object to welcoming migrants into their areas? The idea that New Yorkers are scared of immigrants is hilariously stupid.... People who live in Sanctuary cities, like San Fransisco, probably know they live in sanctuary cities. But there's a nice underlying racist thought that people in San Diego, San Fran, or any other city, will suddenly be scared to be around brown people. The problem is using Government as a method to punish your enemies. Is that how you think Government should be used? What part of that is Conservative? Just going to drop this here before you start spreading a bunch of disinformation. Drumpf's issue with the boarder is a fabricated and manufactured crisis. If his mouth is moving he's lying...
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Post by badgerhoya on Apr 12, 2019 17:27:21 GMT -5
Is it really that hard to understand? The Democrats have vigorously opposed every effort to deal with the crisis at the border. It is clear that the Democrats want more migrants to enter the country. So again, should the elected officials who refuse to cooperate object to welcoming migrants into their areas? Really? Because they didn't want to give $5B for a wall that won't prevent a damn thing? Or should we be blaming the R's in control of congress who didn't want to provide $22B in funding when they had the chance? Hard to remember. Either way, last I saw, the D's were willing to "retrofit ports of entry, new sensors and drones, hire more immigration judges and CBP Agents, as well as other tech." That doesn't sound like an "Open Border" policy, nor does it sound like a party that's unwilling to address the migrant influx from Central America. Try turning off Fox for a few minutes and you might actually learn something.
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