tashoya
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Post by tashoya on May 17, 2018 21:19:21 GMT -5
So we're saying that MS-13 is just an illegal immigrant problem? It's not. And Americans can't be deported.
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Post by Deleted on May 17, 2018 22:52:25 GMT -5
Dreamer: "I want you to know that #DACA has helped me. Do you think that I shld be deported?"
Paul Ryan: "No. I can see that you love your daughter and you are a nice person who has a great future ahead of you, and I hope your future is here."
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Post by Elvado on May 18, 2018 4:08:42 GMT -5
So we're saying that MS-13 is just an illegal immigrant problem? It's not. And Americans can't be deported. You know better than that. We’re saying that when you have the chance to deport (and hopefully permanently) MS 13 members (or any other violent gang) do it.
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Post by Deleted on May 18, 2018 10:00:19 GMT -5
There was no direct linguistic link btwn MS-13 and his “animal” remarks. The question that was asked, wasn't answered. The context is Trump himself so to say it's definitely this, or that, is dubious at best imo...
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TC
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Post by TC on May 18, 2018 11:21:04 GMT -5
Even if you give him the ridiculous benefit of the doubt and link the two - the context of the question is talking about people who DON'T meet the criteria for reporting to ICE (read: misdemeanors, not felonies).
Even if you buy the nonsense that the question and the answer are linked - who is he calling animals and saying aren't people? People guilty of a misdemeanor. Not the parade of horribles that require notification.
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Post by Elvado on May 18, 2018 12:14:04 GMT -5
Even if you give him the ridiculous benefit of the doubt and link the two - the context of the question is talking about people who DON'T meet the criteria for reporting to ICE (read: misdemeanors, not felonies). Even if you buy the nonsense that the question and the answer are linked - who is he calling animals and saying aren't people? People guilty of a misdemeanor. Not the parade of horribles that require notification. Animals not animals. MS 13 members here illegally need to go and never return. Same goes for members of other violent gangs here illegally. Good bye and good riddance. We have enough violent criminals we can’t get rid of to keep around extras.
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Post by EtomicB on May 18, 2018 14:50:04 GMT -5
Every day in courtrooms around this country, the children of American citizens are separated from their parents by operation of law. In Kamalaland, the children of non -citizens deserve more protection. No thanks. I wanted to post this so folks have some context of what you're referring to.. Not sure how anybody wins when toddlers are separated from their folks but that's me..
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Post by Elvado on May 18, 2018 17:41:49 GMT -5
Nobody wins when toddlers are separated from their parents. Just as nobody wins when Senators grandstand and misrepresent policy to fire up their own ambitions.
Let’s be clear here. The US is not going down to Mexico to break up families.
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Post by SSHoya on May 19, 2018 6:47:01 GMT -5
The chief defense of Trump’s blatant dehumanization is that it was qualified. He was not referring to all immigrants but to a subset of extremists crossing the border through Mexico. However, we have found that this distinction becomes vague in the minds of Americans. When we ask Americans (or Spaniards) how much all Muslims are to blame for the acts of Muslim extremists, the average response is about 40 on a 100-point scale; at the same time, when it comes to the acts of white American and Christian extremists, people tend to hold all white Americans and Christians only 10 points responsible on this same scale. And the degree of collective blame was a good predictor of support for hostile policies toward Muslims. A spike in hate speech and hate crimes committed against innocent Muslims occurs in the aftermath of attacks by Muslim extremists. Trump’s dehumanizing language reflects language that has been weaponized throughout the “illiberal democracies” in Eastern Europe. For example, Zsolt Bayer, the founder of Hungary’s ruling party and a close friend of Hungary’s current president, wrote in a 2013 editorial that a significant portion of the Roma “are not fit to live among human beings. … These people are animals and behave like animals. … Inarticulate sounds pour out of their bestial skulls. … These animals should not be allowed to exist. In no way. That needs to be solved — immediately and in any way.” Bayer’s quotes on Muslim refugees are similarly dehumanizing. He compared Muslim refugees to “lice” and used an analogy to illustrate their threat to Hungarians: “If I send you a nice big bowl of chocolates, and I inform you that I only poisoned ten of them, what would you do?” That analogy should sound familiar: It was adapted by Donald Trump Jr. and used on the campaign trail. www.washingtonpost.com/news/posteverything/wp/2018/05/18/why-it-matters-when-the-president-calls-people-even-violent-gang-members-animals/?utm_term=.a50cdeb84bf9
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Post by EtomicB on May 19, 2018 10:46:52 GMT -5
Nobody wins when toddlers are separated from their parents. Just as nobody wins when Senators grandstand and misrepresent policy to fire up their own ambitions. Let’s be clear here. The US is not going down to Mexico to break up families. So why is the title of this thread started by you "Hoya 1 - Kamala Harris 0? Should we not wonder what happens to children once they're separated from their families? Shouldn't Nielsen have been able to give some detail on how DHS folks are trained to handle children who are caught up in the actions of their parent(s)? Shouldn't she have been able to provide details on what type of communications go on between parent & child during the separation period? www.cnn.com/2018/05/15/politics/dhs-separating-families-secretary-nielsen-hearing/index.htmlThe Trump administration last month testified it lost track of 20% -- or nearly 1,500 children -- of the undocumented minors that had been in its custody over a three-month period at the end of 2017.
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Post by Elvado on May 19, 2018 10:53:36 GMT -5
Nobody wins when toddlers are separated from their parents. Just as nobody wins when Senators grandstand and misrepresent policy to fire up their own ambitions. Let’s be clear here. The US is not going down to Mexico to break up families. So why is the title of this thread started by you "Hoya 1 - Kamala Harris 0? Should we not wonder what happens to children once they're separated from their families? Shouldn't Nielsen have been able to give some detail on how DHS folks are trained to handle children who are caught up in the actions of their parent(s)? Shouldn't she have been able to provide details on what type of communications go on between parent & child during the separation period? www.cnn.com/2018/05/15/politics/dhs-separating-families-secretary-nielsen-hearing/index.htmlThe Trump administration last month testified it lost track of 20% -- or nearly 1,500 children -- of the undocumented minors that had been in its custody over a three-month period at the end of 2017.Because the thread was not about US policy. It was about Kamala Harris misstating facts and looking like a jackass doing it.
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Post by EtomicB on May 19, 2018 11:04:46 GMT -5
So why is the title of this thread started by you "Hoya 1 - Kamala Harris 0? Should we not wonder what happens to children once they're separated from their families? Shouldn't Nielsen have been able to give some detail on how DHS folks are trained to handle children who are caught up in the actions of their parent(s)? Shouldn't she have been able to provide details on what type of communications go on between parent & child during the separation period? www.cnn.com/2018/05/15/politics/dhs-separating-families-secretary-nielsen-hearing/index.htmlThe Trump administration last month testified it lost track of 20% -- or nearly 1,500 children -- of the undocumented minors that had been in its custody over a three-month period at the end of 2017. Because the thread was not about US policy. It was about Kamala Harris misstating facts and looking like a jackass doing it. I'll bite, which facts did she misstate?
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TC
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Post by TC on May 19, 2018 11:15:08 GMT -5
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Post by Elvado on May 19, 2018 11:38:21 GMT -5
The fact that US policy via a vis separating children from parents is unique to border hoppers.
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Post by EtomicB on May 19, 2018 11:40:28 GMT -5
The fact that US policy via a vis separating children from parents is unique to border hoppers. Where did she state that?
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Post by Elvado on May 19, 2018 11:50:39 GMT -5
The fact that US policy via a vis separating children from parents is unique to border hoppers. Where did she state that? When she would not accept Secretary Nielsen’s answer that they are treated the same as children of American criminals. The clear implication is that US policy is to separate immigrant children. It isn’t. It is to prosecute criminals homegrown or immigrant. When that entails separation of children of immigrants, policy is the same as domestic criminals. And let’s not forget that we Don’t go looking in Mexico for families to separate. If these folks are so aggrieved by the policy, stay out.
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Post by TC on May 19, 2018 12:10:56 GMT -5
The clear implication is that US policy is to separate immigrant children. Uh....that's exactly what they want the policy to be. No one makes this administration come out and tell everyone what their motives are, they just do it because they don't care about hiding them behind some obfuscated mask. "Whatever"
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Post by EtomicB on May 19, 2018 13:35:09 GMT -5
Where did she state that? When she would not accept Secretary Nielsen’s answer that they are treated the same as children of American criminals. The clear implication is that US policy is to separate immigrant children. It isn’t. It is to prosecute criminals homegrown or immigrant. When that entails separation of children of immigrants, policy is the same as domestic criminals. And let’s not forget that we Don’t go looking in Mexico for families to separate. If these folks are so aggrieved by the policy, stay out. I think you should listen again.. At the 2 minute mark of the clip above Harris asks Nielsen "if her direction from the President was to separate kids from parents caught crossing illegally" Nielsen answered no and the Harris moved on with her questioning.. After a back & forth that starts at the 3:15 mark, Nielsen makes the point that the policy is to prosecute individuals caught breaking the law, not to separate kids from parents, Harris responds by saying "I can appreciate that".. Then she moves on to ask what happens to the children.. Nowhere in the clip does she not accept what the policy is regarding prosecution.. Again I ask the following questions to you Elvado, these are kids we're talking about right? Should we not wonder what happens to children once they're separated from their families? DHS acknowledges approx 1500 are unaccounted for the last 3 months of 2017.. Shouldn't Nielsen have been able to give some detail on how DHS folks are trained to handle children who are caught up in the actions of their parent(s)? Shouldn't she have been able to provide details on what type of communications go on between parent & child during the separation period?
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2018 1:22:31 GMT -5
"The children will be taken care of — put into foster care or whatever,"
SMDH....
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Post by aristides on May 20, 2018 7:20:50 GMT -5
When you dehumanize immigrants as rapists and criminals, it makes it a lot easier to set up inhumane policies. And Trump is very skilled at dehumanizing others...
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