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Post by bkhoya on May 1, 2018 16:48:29 GMT -5
You can land studs and you can land kids that might eventually become studs with seasoning. Adding one doesn't exclude adding the other. It's what healthy programs do. I agree and Coach Ewing has his fishing pole in many ponds so I'm sure he won't rush to make any bad decisions. I'm all for developing kids, but the kid has also want to be there and have the patience to be developed. In today's microwave society you don't see that very often. The Jermaine Samuels kid that was almost red shirted at Villanova was like a top 50 kid coming out of high school and most of those guys want to come in and start right away. We need to get to that point as well.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 16:55:13 GMT -5
Looks better in this video..
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Post by DFW HOYA on May 1, 2018 17:24:38 GMT -5
With Ewing at the helm, I am confident that Georgetown will not be attempting to compete in the Big East with second-tier big men on the level of Ya-Ya Dia, Ruben B-B, Wesley Wilson, Jahidi White, Nate Lubick, Mikael Hopkins, Josh Smith, etc. Those days should be over. Ewing can and will land stud PFs/Cs from the classes of 2019 and 2020. Wilson is not one of those studs. And Jahidi White isn't among that list. Owing to injuries (and three other NBA players-to-be in the lineup), he played sparingly behind Othella Harrington and lost most of this senior season to injury, but is still ranked 7th all time in blocks and played the equivalent of just 36 full games over four seasons. A healthy White would have been the anchor that John Thompson needed in his final coaching seasons. Instead, the 56 year old Thompson (the same age Patrick Ewing is in 2018) was making do with a revolving door of guards and overseas players that struggled as underclassmen. He's also the only name on the above list to have played seven years in the NBA.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on May 1, 2018 17:25:04 GMT -5
You can land studs and you can land kids that might eventually become studs with seasoning. Adding one doesn't exclude adding the other. It's what healthy programs do. You and I don't disagree at all. But we need to separate a Wilson-style recruit, which is of secondary importance for depth with player development, from what needs to be Ewing's primary objective, which is landing one or two PF/C studs to complement Mac, James, and Morko. As I have stated elsewhere, the big man marketing pitch is teed up beautifully right now.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on May 1, 2018 17:31:08 GMT -5
With Ewing at the helm, I am confident that Georgetown will not be attempting to compete in the Big East with second-tier big men on the level of Ya-Ya Dia, Ruben B-B, Wesley Wilson, Jahidi White, Nate Lubick, Mikael Hopkins, Josh Smith, etc. Those days should be over. Ewing can and will land stud PFs/Cs from the classes of 2019 and 2020. Wilson is not one of those studs. And Jahidi White isn't among that list. Owing to injuries (and three other NBA players-to-be in the lineup), he played sparingly behind Othella Harrington and lost most of this senior season to injury, but is still ranked 7th all time in blocks and played the equivalent of just 36 full games over four seasons. A healthy White would have been the anchor that John Thompson needed in his final coaching seasons. Instead, the 56 year old Thompson (the same age Patrick Ewing is in 2018) was making do with a revolving door of guards and overseas players that struggled as underclassmen. He's also the only name on the above list to have played seven years in the NBA.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on May 1, 2018 17:36:23 GMT -5
White played in 105 games for the Hoyas and averaged something like 5 points and 4 rebounds for his career. He was a major disappointment coming in with a pretty high ranking. He is definitely among the second tier, sub-par big men in Hoya history. Not sure pulling out one random statistic on blocks can make any other case.
What did Jahidi contribute in the 2 seasons after Othella and Jerome left for the NBA? Answer - nada mooch. At least he had a sweet shooting stroke from the FT line.
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 17:51:14 GMT -5
You can land studs and you can land kids that might eventually become studs with seasoning. Adding one doesn't exclude adding the other. It's what healthy programs do. You and I don't disagree at all. But we need to separate a Wilson-style recruit, which is of secondary importance for depth with player development, from what needs to be Ewing's primary objective, which is landing one or two PF/C studs to complement Mac, James, and Morko. As I have stated elsewhere, the big man marketing pitch is teed up beautifully right now. I somewhat agree but you have to start somewhere. I think the staff can do both at the same time tbh. If we had recruited a kid like this 2-3 years ago you might not have that need. It's the equivalent of stashing a draft pick.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on May 1, 2018 18:59:42 GMT -5
White played in 105 games for the Hoyas and averaged something like 5 points and 4 rebounds for his career. He was a major disappointment coming in with a pretty high ranking. He is definitely among the second tier, sub-par big men in Hoya history. Not sure pulling out one random statistic on blocks can make any other case. What did Jahidi contribute in the 2 seasons after Othella and Jerome left for the NBA? Answer - nada mooch. At least he had a sweet shooting stroke from the FT line. He played with ball dominant guards and a crap offense that JT Jr designed. You look for shots with AI and Vic running the show. Jahidi was a defensive anchor when healthy. That is my guy and easily my most favorite person on campus during his Hoya days. Back to Wilson, you bring in a guy like him early if you can so you can swing for the fences. The 5 stars decide late as they can wait for coaches and player movement to shake out. We were left holding the bag way too many times the last five to ten years as nerlens Noel, Kennedy Meeks, and all the "mom loves us" recruits went elsewhere.
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Post by SSHoya on May 1, 2018 19:24:10 GMT -5
White played in 105 games for the Hoyas and averaged something like 5 points and 4 rebounds for his career. He was a major disappointment coming in with a pretty high ranking. He is definitely among the second tier, sub-par big men in Hoya history. Not sure pulling out one random statistic on blocks can make any other case. What did Jahidi contribute in the 2 seasons after Othella and Jerome left for the NBA? Answer - nada mooch. At least he had a sweet shooting stroke from the FT line. I know that last sentence was sarcasm! He did average 10 & 8 his senior year until a college career ending wrist injury after 12 games. 7 years in the league as well to the surprise of many. With his confidence rising after a strong junior season, White's best efforts came in 1997-98, where he averaged in double figures in scoring and posted five of his eight career double-doubles in the first 10 games of the season. White scored 10 points and eight rebounds against West Virginia, his last game before a season-ending wrist injury that ended his college career. The injury derailed what likely could have been a superlative year for the 6-9 White, who finished his career fifth all-time in blocked shots and among the top 10 in field goal shooting. www.hoyabasketball.com/features/top100/j_white.htm
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Post by bostonfan on May 2, 2018 7:02:22 GMT -5
Looks better in this video.. He does look better in this clip. More active and involved on both ends. With his length and athletic ability he should have a big impact on every game he plays. It might not always show up in the scorebook in points, or even blocks, but if stays fully engaged he should at a minimum make it tough for the other team to score in the paint by contesting shots. It is hard for some type of players to really look good in AAU games, especially kids that don't have the ability to create offensive on their own. Most of the kids playing want to showcase their ability to handle the ball, attack the rim and shoot the three. Feeding the post to a big guy who is working hard for position is not something most of these kids are focused on, which makes it hard for some of the big kids who want to play in the post. I am sure the staff knows that also, and has other ways to evaluate these types of big guys to see if they can fit their system.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on May 2, 2018 10:35:52 GMT -5
White played in 105 games for the Hoyas and averaged something like 5 points and 4 rebounds for his career. He was a major disappointment coming in with a pretty high ranking. He is definitely among the second tier, sub-par big men in Hoya history. Not sure pulling out one random statistic on blocks can make any other case. What did Jahidi contribute in the 2 seasons after Othella and Jerome left for the NBA? Answer - nada mooch. At least he had a sweet shooting stroke from the FT line. He played with ball dominant guards and a crap offense that JT Jr designed. You look for shots with AI and Vic running the show. Jahidi was a defensive anchor when healthy. That is my guy and easily my most favorite person on campus during his Hoya days. Back to Wilson, you bring in a guy like him early if you can so you can swing for the fences. The 5 stars decide late as they can wait for coaches and player movement to shake out. We were left holding the bag way too many times the last five to ten years as nerlens Noel, Kennedy Meeks, and all the "mom loves us" recruits went elsewhere. Separate how much you liked the guy on campus and where he stands among Hoya big men since 1972. Jahidi would rank in the bottom half of Hoya PF/C earning significant minutes over the past 45 seasons. Merlin Wilson Ed Hopkins Shelton Ewing Martin Michael Graham John Turner Perry McDonald Mourning Mutombo Harrrington Jerome Williams Sweetney Green Hibbert Monroe Jessie Marcus Then you get to guys like Jahidi White, Wesley Wilson, Josh Smith, Don Reid, Ruben B-B, Ralph Dalton, Ed Spriggs, Mike Frazier, Tom Scates, etc.
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Post by DFW HOYA on May 2, 2018 12:39:51 GMT -5
Merlin Wilson Ed Hopkins Shelton Ewing Martin Michael Graham John Turner Perry McDonald Mourning Mutombo Harrrington Jerome Williams Sweetney Green Hibbert Monroe Jessie Marcus Then you get to guys like Jahidi White, Wesley Wilson, Josh Smith, Don Reid, Ruben B-B, Ralph Dalton, Ed Spriggs, Mike Frazier, Tom Scates, etc. This is a wide ranging mix of PF's, undersized players that played up front (McDonald, Martin), and missed a number of others entirely (Gillery, Spencer, Watkins, Freeman, Hayes, Hopkins). If you look at the entirety of centers from 1972-forward, including those that sat on the bench or those who played perpetually out of position, White is still in the upper half.
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Post by paranoia2 on May 2, 2018 12:40:20 GMT -5
Where is Sam Jefferson?!? Lol. Great list. I met Jahidi in Philadelphia and he was affable and cool. Do I remember the band playing “Jahidiehidie Ho”?
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Post by Elvado on May 2, 2018 12:52:01 GMT -5
Where is Sam Jefferson?!? Lol. Great list. I met Jahidi in Philadelphia and he was affable and cool. Do I remember the band playing “Jahidiehidie Ho”? Sam is still getting stitched up from when Demetrius Gore cracked him... I am sure it was post-concussion syndrome that led to that ridiculous foul 80 feet from the hoop at the Dome...
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Post by FrazierFanatic on May 2, 2018 14:06:56 GMT -5
Where is Sam Jefferson?!? Lol. Great list. I met Jahidi in Philadelphia and he was affable and cool. Do I remember the band playing “Jahidiehidie Ho”? Sam is still getting stitched up from when Demetrius Gore cracked him... I am sure it was post-concussion syndrome that led to that ridiculous foul 80 feet from the hoop at the Dome... It was only 50 feet. But thanks for dredging up that memory and darkening my day😢
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Post by Ranch Dressing on May 2, 2018 16:22:21 GMT -5
Merlin Wilson Ed Hopkins Shelton Ewing Martin Michael Graham John Turner Perry McDonald Mourning Mutombo Harrrington Jerome Williams Sweetney Green Hibbert Monroe Jessie Marcus Then you get to guys like Jahidi White, Wesley Wilson, Josh Smith, Don Reid, Ruben B-B, Ralph Dalton, Ed Spriggs, Mike Frazier, Tom Scates, etc. This is a wide ranging mix of PF's, undersized players that played up front (McDonald, Martin), and missed a number of others entirely (Gillery, Spencer, Watkins, Freeman, Hayes, Hopkins). If you look at the entirety of centers from 1972-forward, including those that sat on the bench or those who played perpetually out of position, White is still in the upper half. The discussion was initially premised on Ewing needing to avoid competing in the Big East while starting/playing second tier PF/C for significant minutes. The guys who rode the bench for their entire career don't factor into the Jahidi comparison. Adding the players from your list, Jahidi is clearly in the bottom half. Perry and Bill played PF/C and they played the position very well. The fact they were undersized doesn't matter. Duane Spencer was a better college player than Jahidi with a broad skill set. Went on to average 15ppg at LSU. Gillery did the tip, and then sat for 39 minutes. Bradley Hayes' and Mikael Hopkins' junior seasons were comparable to Jahidi's junior season. All 3 players had disappointing senior seasons with injuries, etc. I'd place Jahidi's 4-year impact behind Ruben B-B and just above Watkins/Hayes/Hopkins. Bottom half pho sho. Nice guy by all accounts. Sub-par on the court.
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Post by paranoia2 on May 2, 2018 16:29:33 GMT -5
Wasn’t Sam Jefferson a tip 50 recruit? Def top 75. That shows how fallible rankings are. That dude was deer in the headlights from year later 1-4 and only showed up in he brutal regional final loss to Puke.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on May 2, 2018 16:32:24 GMT -5
Sam is still getting stitched up from when Demetrius Gore cracked him... I am sure it was post-concussion syndrome that led to that ridiculous foul 80 feet from the hoop at the Dome... It was only 50 feet. But thanks for dredging up that memory and darkening my day😢 This Syracuse game ranks up there among the most disappointing losses, but doesn't hold a candle to the 5 listed below...I think these are the 5 most painful bouncing around in my memory bank. Iowa Elite 8 1980 UNC Finals 1982 Villanova Finals 1985 UConn Big East Championship 1996 Davidson NCAA 2nd Round 2008 Taken together as a group, the trio of NCAA losses to VCU, Ohio, and FGCU was just one big flaming poop package.
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Post by HoyaRejuveNation85 on May 2, 2018 16:37:11 GMT -5
They all hurt. I've been to several on that list.
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Post by WilsonBlvdHoya on May 2, 2018 16:40:37 GMT -5
It was only 50 feet. But thanks for dredging up that memory and darkening my day😢 This Syracuse game ranks up there among the most disappointing losses, but doesn't hold a candle to the 5 listed below...I think these are the 5 most painful bouncing around in my memory bank. Iowa Elite 8 1980 UNC Finals 1982 Villanova Finals 1985 UConn Big East Championship 1996 Davidson NCAA 2nd Round 2008 Taken together as a group, the trio of NCAA losses to VCU, Ohio, and FGCU was just one big flaming poop package. RD - this is an excellent top 5 worst Hoya losses list. One quibble - I would place Davidson #6 and move in Duke Elite 8 1989 loss at #3 behind the Finals losses and ahead of the Iowa loss (I could easily see an argument flip-flopping Iowa/Duke losses too). Nice job.......
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