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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2018 10:00:06 GMT -5
Going into the spring as rising senior (right after his junior year/same time period as now) Patton wasn't really known outside of Nebraska. He committed to Creighton before he exploded during that summer and ended up a top 100 player during his senior year... He may not have been known but that doesn't speak to his skill level at that time.. Here's the article on his commitment to Creighton, the description of Patton in June of 2014 is not likely what we'll be reading about Wilson in June of this year.. www.omaha.com/creighton/jays-pull-trigger-on-recruit-justin-patton-s-sudden-progress/article_2c57ac7f-87ec-536f-92dc-7ca407651b9e.htmlWilson is similar to Sodom in terms of on court ability and or development stage.. He's not Patton but he's not as raw as Sodom either. Both are inaccurate imo..
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 27, 2018 10:10:45 GMT -5
This point assumes the offensive team wants a layup or dunk, many times they're looking for a kick out after the help defense comes.. The game is very different than it was 10 years ago especially in the way the game is now officiated.. Players like Sapp or Wallace can't use physicality nearly as much.. It doesn't make a difference whether the driving player is looking to kick or score -- the fact is that if you have a rim protector, no one needs to help. When no one collapses, the three isn't open. That kick out is only open if other players come off their man to help with the driving player. A quality rim protector can clog the whole paint with little or no help.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 27, 2018 10:13:31 GMT -5
This point assumes the offensive team wants a layup or dunk, many times they're looking for a kick out after the help defense comes.. The game is very different than it was 10 years ago especially in the way the game is now officiated.. Players like Sapp or Wallace can't use physicality nearly as much.. Again I wouldn't have any issue with the staff taking Wilson tomorrow however to me he will need to develop into more than a rim protecting rim runner to be truly effective.. Even the Houston Rockets, who are the most 3-pt happy team in the NBA, and most consider the only threat to challenge Golden State, still shoot a little less than half of their shots in the paint. And they start a mobile big who shoots NO threes. Like not one. Similarly, GSWs who shoot probably the league’s second most 3s, plays the combination of Zaza/McGee roughly 25-30 mins a game at the center spot, neither of which has a particularly outstanding offensive game and neither of which shoots any 3s either. With the type of guards that Ewing is adding, my hope is a guy like him is catching a lot of lobs for dunks. Not only that, but despite people thinking that McGee or Capela would issues with spacing and be an offensive liability, both teams have figured out that their ability to elevate for the alley-oop causes massive disruption on the pick and roll. If they keep moving and cutting, their defender can't sag.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 27, 2018 10:27:35 GMT -5
This point assumes the offensive team wants a layup or dunk, many times they're looking for a kick out after the help defense comes.. The game is very different than it was 10 years ago especially in the way the game is now officiated.. Players like Sapp or Wallace can't use physicality nearly as much.. It doesn't make a difference whether the driving player is looking to kick or score -- the fact is that if you have a rim protector, no one needs to help. When no one collapses, the three isn't open. That kick out is only open if other players come off their man to help with the driving player. A quality rim protector can clog the whole paint with little or no help. But aren't you short a perimeter defender in that scenario? Say Gtown was playing Creighton this year with Wilson protecting the rim and everyone else playing tight man to man right? Who covers Hegner out at the 3 point line?
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 27, 2018 10:34:29 GMT -5
It doesn't make a difference whether the driving player is looking to kick or score -- the fact is that if you have a rim protector, no one needs to help. When no one collapses, the three isn't open. That kick out is only open if other players come off their man to help with the driving player. A quality rim protector can clog the whole paint with little or no help. But aren't you short a perimeter defender in that scenario? Say Gtown was playing Creighton this year with Wilson protecting the rim and everyone else playing tight man to man right? Who covers Hegner out at the 3 point line? In a Hegner situation, you play match-up zone. But that's a 20% situation at most. And it's not like a player like Wilson isn't mobile. I'm not recommending a plodder -- but I fail to see how a rim protector isn't relevant for a team who constantly gave up drives to the basket, constantly had to overhelp. What modern basketball hasn't killed isn't the rim protector, it's straight man to man. You absolutley cannot play that anymore unless you have a MASSIVE player quality gap. The best defenses in the world have players that can both protect the rim and get out on the perimeter. As I said, I don't know enough about Wilson, but the idea that you don't have value protecting the rim is strange to me. Giving up layups is pretty much a death sentence.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Apr 27, 2018 10:52:31 GMT -5
He's not Patton but he's not as raw as Sodom either. Both are inaccurate imo.. Never said he was Patton in terms of skillset. Said Wilson's recruitment reminded me of Patton's recruitment. Wilson could explode this summer as Patton did his last year of spring/summer circuit ball...
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Post by SaxaCD on Apr 27, 2018 11:30:29 GMT -5
He's not Patton but he's not as raw as Sodom either. Both are inaccurate imo.. Never said he was Patton in terms of skillset. Said Wilson's recruitment reminded me of Patton's recruitment. Wilson could explode this summer as Patton did his last year of spring/summer circuit ball... I will say the staff has really impressed me with recognizing talent early. Guys they target seem to catch fire. Very good sign, and exactly what Pat said his recruiting strategy would be.
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Post by calhoya on Apr 27, 2018 11:49:08 GMT -5
But aren't you short a perimeter defender in that scenario? Say Gtown was playing Creighton this year with Wilson protecting the rim and everyone else playing tight man to man right? Who covers Hegner out at the 3 point line? In a Hegner situation, you play match-up zone. But that's a 20% situation at most. And it's not like a player like Wilson isn't mobile. I'm not recommending a plodder -- but I fail to see how a rim protector isn't relevant for a team who constantly gave up drives to the basket, constantly had to overhelp. What modern basketball hasn't killed isn't the rim protector, it's straight man to man. You absolutley cannot play that anymore unless you have a MASSIVE player quality gap. The best defenses in the world have players that can both protect the rim and get out on the perimeter. As I said, I don't know enough about Wilson, but the idea that you don't have value protecting the rim is strange to me. Giving up layups is pretty much a death sentence. Agree with this. Lack of a mobile, competent big to protect the paint has been a major hole in the Hoya defense for some time. Hayes couldn't do it, Govan has yet to do it, though I saw improvement, and Josh Smith did not have the speed or quickness to get back on defense to stop the penetration from opposing guards and wings. It's not the total reason the Hoyas have been horrible on defense, as the lack of quickness and lateral mobility on the perimeter has also been a major problem, but getting a rim protector would be a nice first step.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2018 11:57:16 GMT -5
Why is it considered a fact that he can't move his feet well enough to guard the perimeter. You can't see if that's true or false from clips of hl's that aren't focused in that area...
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Post by kbones17 on Apr 27, 2018 23:28:12 GMT -5
0 pts, 3 rebs and 2 blocks tonight.
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Post by blazers44 on Apr 28, 2018 0:18:12 GMT -5
I don't get it. Why isn't he Scoring at least 8 points a game.
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Post by bkhoya on Apr 28, 2018 0:19:48 GMT -5
0 pts, 3 rebs and 2 blocks tonight. Can I just jump out and say we can do better? I'm not impressed with his production so far. I know it's guard dominated on a lot of these teams but give me more boards and blocks at least. Especially for someone who'd be the first recruit of the 19 class.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2018 1:35:06 GMT -5
He only took 2 shots and according to the boxscore their were 17 rebounds total between 2 teams.... He was the the top rebounder in the game with 3. Idk how that's possible. Weird game or the boxscore isn't exactly accurate. If you're looking for a big time scorer, that's not this kid. That's not what you should judge him on imo. Signing him doesn't stop you from adding a more offensive minded center.
My guess is the staff hopes he gets a year to develop as Yurt's backup, so it comes down to where they view he will be in 2 years, not today...
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Post by Deleted on Apr 28, 2018 3:55:53 GMT -5
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Post by prhoya on Apr 28, 2018 8:01:39 GMT -5
Redshirt.
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Post by jld54 on Apr 28, 2018 9:30:39 GMT -5
Bingo! The kid has size, seems quick off his feet, and has natural shot-blocking skills. Give him a year to develop as a redshirt, al a the Nova formula. He can work on his body and offensive skills at this time. For those concerned about his offensive game, he can contribute at first buckets off feeds, pick and rolls, and putbacks. We have a long way to go to rebuild the program, a guy like this can be a piece if all works out.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Apr 28, 2018 11:08:39 GMT -5
A Rivals150 big man with length and athleticism, Wilson is a long term stock. Wake Forest (Danny Manning), Georgetown, South Carolina, Clemson, Vanderbilt, Old Dominion, VCU (Mike Rhoades), Charlotte (Ron Sanchez) and East Carolina (Joe Dooley) were just a few in the crowd.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 29, 2018 13:18:57 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 11:13:23 GMT -5
Longer vid maybe we can get some glimpses of how well he moves, or doesn't move, on defense ...
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2018 11:17:46 GMT -5
This is Wilson matched against Todd, #1 player in 2020..
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