iowa80
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Post by iowa80 on May 25, 2018 16:15:02 GMT -5
Was hoping for at least a couple of name schools, but excited for the experience for the team. Final Kenpom ratings: Georgetown - 94 Austin Peay - 189 Ohio - 193 Campbell - 218 Loyola Marymount - 234 South Florida - 279 Central Connecticut - 310 Florida A&M - 341 It's OK--at least a few of them are in the range of schools we should consider OOC--not great but not abysmal. And who isn't looking forward to chants of "Let's Go Peay!"?
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blueandgray
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Post by blueandgray on May 25, 2018 16:29:56 GMT -5
Hard to get excited over this field.
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Post by HometownHoya on May 25, 2018 16:30:29 GMT -5
I hope we run Ohio out of the gym. I hope Pat makes our backcourt watch that game on repeat so that theyre ready for payback too.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on May 25, 2018 17:56:18 GMT -5
I hope we run Ohio out of the gym. I hope Pat makes our backcourt watch that game on repeat so that theyre ready for payback too. I hear you, but it looks like the Ohio loss wasn't the players' fault. We were outcoached or not coached at all to deal with Ohio. It's more a lesson for Coach Pat and not taking opponents lightly. Here's former player Julian Vaughn's explanation: hoyatalk2.proboards.com/thread/30952/hoya-julian-vaughn-ohio-explained
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hoyazeke
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Post by hoyazeke on May 25, 2018 18:26:20 GMT -5
It's not great, but I'm seeing slow improvement: Here was last year's Non Con schedule, according to RPI quadrants: Quadrant 1: 0 games Quadrant 2: Cuse Quadrant 3: @richmond Quadrant 4: 9 games And here's 2018-19 so far (using last year's RPI): Quadrant 1: @ cuse Quadrant 2: Quadrant 3: @ illinois, 1-2 Jamaica games Quadrant 4: Richmond, 1-2 Jamaica games With 6 more games tbd. It's slow progress, but it's still progress. And it's enough already to keep us out of the 20 worst non-con schedules in the league (low bar, I know). I'd be okay if the remaining games were broken up like this: 1-2 against RPI 101-200 (or better?) 2-3 against RPI 201-275 1-3 against RPI 276+ I'd be happy if they're any stronger than that, or if one or two are road/neutral games. It's still not improvement at the speed many of us would like, but it would be a considerable upgrade from last season. For the 2019-20 season, I'd need to see at least an equivalent jump in schedule quality, which would mean finally having a couple of worthwhile opponents at home, and a big preseason tournament. I think we're a bit obsessed with year to year kenpom and RPI. Richmond had its first losing season in a decade. That's not a bad game regardless of last year's RPI quadrant. Coppin State is technically in the same quadrant but there's no comparison. Basically there are three types of teams; Those that have almost no chance of being bad (Syracuse) Those that have no chance of being good (Florida A&M)
Everyone else The first ones help if you win, the second ones hurt no matter what, and the third ones only hurt if you lose. I would have liked one more in the first category in this tournament but since that's not the case, just want to avoid Florida A&M in the bracket and win it. Shouldn't Central Conn be in this category? Just wondering. We need o win some conference games and some conference tourney games to make the field...but I feel confident that we will be at a minimum top 3 in conference........always over-confident....lol
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blueandgray
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Post by blueandgray on May 25, 2018 18:54:42 GMT -5
At least we have an opportunity to get some wins on a neutral court....does that count for anything?
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GIGAFAN99
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on May 25, 2018 21:52:07 GMT -5
I think we're a bit obsessed with year to year kenpom and RPI. Richmond had its first losing season in a decade. That's not a bad game regardless of last year's RPI quadrant. Coppin State is technically in the same quadrant but there's no comparison. Basically there are three types of teams; Those that have almost no chance of being bad (Syracuse) Those that have no chance of being good (Florida A&M)
Everyone else The first ones help if you win, the second ones hurt no matter what, and the third ones only hurt if you lose. I would have liked one more in the first category in this tournament but since that's not the case, just want to avoid Florida A&M in the bracket and win it. Shouldn't Central Conn be in this category? Just wondering. We need o win some conference games and some conference tourney games to make the field...but I feel confident that we will be at a minimum top 3 in conference........always over-confident....lol I believe in Donyell Marshall! Seriously, he's done a good job so I think they might not be terrible and the trajectory there is good. Florida A&M is dying for a season like CC had last year which is quite the sad state of affairs considering.
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kghoya
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Post by kghoya on May 25, 2018 22:06:23 GMT -5
First time Georgetown will face a MEAC school in another country.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on May 25, 2018 22:11:19 GMT -5
First time Georgetown will face a MEAC school in another country. I thought the matchups were still to be determined?
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kghoya
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Post by kghoya on May 26, 2018 8:52:34 GMT -5
First time Georgetown will face a MEAC school in another country. I thought the matchups were still to be determined? I'm speculating but I think the smart money is on Georgetown v Florida A&M in the opener.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on May 26, 2018 9:15:08 GMT -5
Could make sense, best vs. worst.
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LCPolo18
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Post by LCPolo18 on May 26, 2018 9:19:21 GMT -5
I thought the matchups were still to be determined? I'm speculating but I think the smart money is on Georgetown v Florida A&M in the opener. As I mentioned earlier, last year the tournament had two brackets, essentially an upper and a lower bracket. If they follow the same format, it will likely be Georgetown, South Florida, and the next two highest profile teams in the upper bracket. Though Georgetown could play a team like Florida A&M in DC related to the tournament.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on May 26, 2018 10:41:03 GMT -5
I really like this tournament. It's the perfect early stage for our high-flying performers.
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kghoya
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Post by kghoya on May 26, 2018 11:08:36 GMT -5
I'm speculating but I think the smart money is on Georgetown v Florida A&M in the opener. As I mentioned earlier, last year the tournament had two brackets, essentially an upper and a lower bracket. If they follow the same format, it will likely be Georgetown, South Florida, and the next two highest profile teams in the upper bracket. Though Georgetown could play a team like Florida A&M in DC related to the tournament. Last year the event only had 7 schools. They had to be creative. This looks like a standard event this year.
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LCPolo18
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Post by LCPolo18 on May 26, 2018 11:52:35 GMT -5
As I mentioned earlier, last year the tournament had two brackets, essentially an upper and a lower bracket. If they follow the same format, it will likely be Georgetown, South Florida, and the next two highest profile teams in the upper bracket. Though Georgetown could play a team like Florida A&M in DC related to the tournament. Last year the event only had 7 schools. They had to be creative. This looks like a standard event this year. Yes they had 7 teams last year, but it sounds like they always intended for the event to have two brackets but couldn’t find a fourth team for the lower bracket. Also, keep in mind that if they switch it to an 8 team single bracket, that would require teams to play 3 games instead of 2 games. I’m not sure if they would have time and space for 4 games per day across the 3 days, especially if the women’s tournament is happening at the same time. www.bloggingthebracket.com/2017/11/7/16277298/2017-jamaica-classic-montego-bay-primer-florida-state-colorado-state-fordham-tulane“The organizers also appeared to struggle to fill the visitors’ half of the bracket.”
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Hoyaholic
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Post by Hoyaholic on May 26, 2018 19:22:52 GMT -5
I really like this tournament. It's the perfect early stage for our high-flying performers. It's not going to be much of a "stage." They will be playing in front of a few hundred friends & family in a convention hall. Even Atlantis, which is now easily the best holiday tourney, has a small-time feel. But at least those games are worth watching because they have 7-8 legitimate teams. This tourney is a dud. Nothing to gain, and everything to lose (except we don't risk a home loss I guess).
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iowa80
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Post by iowa80 on May 27, 2018 16:16:13 GMT -5
I really like this tournament. It's the perfect early stage for our high-flying performers. It's not going to be much of a "stage." They will be playing in front of a few hundred friends & family in a convention hall. Even Atlantis, which is now easily the best holiday tourney, has a small-time feel. But at least those games are worth watching because they have 7-8 legitimate teams. This tourney is a dud. Nothing to gain, and everything to lose (except we don't risk a home loss I guess). Wow, and I thought I had pessimisticitis. The players get a nice trip as a reward for their efforts, and we may well beat at least two teams that are superior to last year's early season dreck. And the whole Pat returns to Jamaica is a publicity thing. Is it close to great, no. Is it a dud when viewed through a reasonable lens, also no.
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Post by bigskyhoya on May 27, 2018 16:47:37 GMT -5
Good early season test for a team that most here agree will be relying on substantial minutes from freshmen and sophomores. If we win this tournament going away, the excitement will only grow.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on May 27, 2018 16:50:19 GMT -5
If we win, it will stand out that we at least won a pre-season tourney. We have to win though. It is far from a dud.
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calhoya
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Post by calhoya on May 27, 2018 17:09:00 GMT -5
Much better start than last season's pre-conference schedule. However, for all the grief about the failings of JT III, I still miss his out of conference schedules and hope that Ewing will get there soon. Understand that the team is still in transition but hope he picks up a few Top 100 RPI teams in the remainder of the schedule. Yes they lost MD, but there is no reason to believe that this team is not vastly superior to the one that began last season and should be tested more before the BE.
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