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Post by hoyavafan1 on Jan 12, 2020 12:21:30 GMT -5
Yurt staying next year would hurt the development of Tim who based on what I’ve seen could possibly end up being our best center. I would have loved to have seen Tim get a few minutes in Big East play...
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Post by smokeyjack on Jan 12, 2020 12:41:28 GMT -5
I don't know anything about his financial situation or personal goals, but--four games into the BE--there is an increasingly plausible case to be made that Yurt should stay if he's invested at all in the NBA. It may not matter, but I doubt it's happening at all if this version of Yurt leaves Gtown in '20. If he only wants to go Euro, well, never mind. This is 100% correct. If the draft was trw, Yurt would be heading to the G League or overseas. He’s actually very similar to Govan in many ways, although with much more upside. He needs to get far stronger with the ball, prove he can be at least a little physical as a finisher and defender (never going to be his strength) and demonstrate/develop a 3-point shot to get a whiff of the NBA. There is a very strong case that he could do those things at GU this year and next and give himself the best possible chance of getting an NBA nibble. If he goes to Europe, he’s not coming back (book it), and he’s absolutely not even remotely draftable at present.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 12, 2020 12:44:55 GMT -5
His athletic ability is what it is at this point and he’s not young. Difficult decision, but my guess would be he ends up playing in Europe.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Jan 12, 2020 12:56:08 GMT -5
Yurtseven is a bit of a tweener. He is fairly athletic, has a decent outside shot, and can power in with banging against defenders yet he finishes with finesse rather than power. Good traits, actually really good traits, but he mixes them a lot which with often doesn't work well. He doesn't seem sure when to apply what skills he does well and when, which is often a sign of learning the skills. He is a good shooting and finesse player, really good and that can work really well against a lot of teams with smaller middle teams and lacking an athletic big. He struggles with physical and powerful bigs and he often tries to play them inside and power against them, which he will not win that battle until he learns to use his lower body strength (which he has shown he has and Govan never had). The finesse game and mid-range and out shooting should work decently against the athletic power bigs, but he tries to play power against them and it doesn't work. He will bang his way in with power backdown moves to get the defender in the circle, but rather than powering over the player goes to finesse to finish. He also brings the ball down too much when inside and then tries to power up, which makes him easy to block. He will also get inside on a drive with one or two bounces or on a pass while he is in motion and try to turn that into a power move that destroys his advantage. Yurt has the skills and has been learning more ways to play, which is a bit of the problem. He's still learning when to use what and how create and take advantage of mis-matches. He will get there, but I just wish he was there. Are we watching the same player? I’m not sure we are. I wouldn’t describe him as athletic, and I really haven’t seen any of this “power” game you’re describing.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Jan 12, 2020 12:59:21 GMT -5
Yurt has not been very good lately. To say we are better off without him is utterly ridiculous. Q has shown to be a relentless rebounder and improving defender. He's also good at getting that low post position and flicking it in. However..he is not facing any double teams , like Yurt, and obviously is light years less polished than Yurt. Glad to have them BOTH. Yurt has disappointed me, as well..I expected him to be a real force. But..he is still pretty good and will help us win a few games this year. I agree with this post and add another reason that I would like Yurt back. Aside from Yurt getting better, I do not think that Q will learn not to commit silly fouls quickly in games and effect PE's entire rotation. This takes time and many players never get it. Especially bigs. So if Q is #1 and no Yurt7, we could be in serious trouble with depth. I don’t think it’s fair to automatically assume Q won’t learn how to not foul. He’s got the tools and measureables to be a very good defensive center in this league. He just needs experience imo. Sitting him behind Yurt for another season is only going to stunt his growth. Kid is oozing potential imo.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 12, 2020 13:54:01 GMT -5
Yurtseven and Govan would have paired nicely with a strong power forward. Someone who could bang and clear the boards. Not a project, but a player with some offense as well. Maybe, Antwan Walker was that player. ☹️
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Post by saxagael on Jan 12, 2020 17:09:37 GMT -5
Yurtseven and Govan would have paired nicely with a strong power forward. Someone who could bang and clear the boards. Not a project, but a player with some offense as well. Maybe, Antwan Walker was that player. ☹️ Watching Walker after the Hoya's game yesterday he is rebounding and driving, but not turned into a power player or inside power player. He's got a decent game and showing a lot more confidence. Matching with Wahab could provide that power inside and give Yurseven space. But, when it has ben tried so far it clogs the middle badly and other players play is impacted. Govan wasn't a banger he was also a finesse player, whop didn't have much inside skill other than his hook. He was more comfortable and did well playing as a slow wing.
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Post by saxagael on Jan 12, 2020 17:22:49 GMT -5
Yurtseven is a bit of a tweener. He is fairly athletic, has a decent outside shot, and can power in with banging against defenders yet he finishes with finesse rather than power. Good traits, actually really good traits, but he mixes them a lot which with often doesn't work well. He doesn't seem sure when to apply what skills he does well and when, which is often a sign of learning the skills. He is a good shooting and finesse player, really good and that can work really well against a lot of teams with smaller middle teams and lacking an athletic big. He struggles with physical and powerful bigs and he often tries to play them inside and power against them, which he will not win that battle until he learns to use his lower body strength (which he has shown he has and Govan never had). The finesse game and mid-range and out shooting should work decently against the athletic power bigs, but he tries to play power against them and it doesn't work. He will bang his way in with power backdown moves to get the defender in the circle, but rather than powering over the player goes to finesse to finish. He also brings the ball down too much when inside and then tries to power up, which makes him easy to block. He will also get inside on a drive with one or two bounces or on a pass while he is in motion and try to turn that into a power move that destroys his advantage. Yurt has the skills and has been learning more ways to play, which is a bit of the problem. He's still learning when to use what and how create and take advantage of mis-matches. He will get there, but I just wish he was there. Are we watching the same player? I’m not sure we are. I wouldn’t describe him as athletic, and I really haven’t seen any of this “power” game you’re describing. For a big he's athletic, he gets up and down the court well and has good footwork and moves well for his size. You need to watch his backdowns with butt & shoulder pounding he puts on players. It is really good. But, he gets his man to the circle and he goes finesse, which makes no sense as he needs to condinue with one low back in and slam the ball in. He's got the power backdown and uses it well, but uses it to set up is fade short jumper or bunny. The power inside finish is not his go to. When getting inside offensive rebounds, too often he brings the ball down, which greatly limits what he can do after. When he keeps the ball up he has a good strong put back option, which he has shown. Patrick gets on him about this on the sideline often, but it has become part of his game yet. Yurtseven's rebounding needs work as he is often not getting to the right spot, sitting too close on 3 point shots, and too often not using his butt to own the space.
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Post by jwp91 on Jan 12, 2020 19:39:29 GMT -5
Yurtseven is a bit of a tweener. He is fairly athletic, has a decent outside shot, and can power in with banging against defenders yet he finishes with finesse rather than power. Good traits, actually really good traits, but he mixes them a lot which with often doesn't work well. He doesn't seem sure when to apply what skills he does well and when, which is often a sign of learning the skills. He is a good shooting and finesse player, really good and that can work really well against a lot of teams with smaller middle teams and lacking an athletic big. He struggles with physical and powerful bigs and he often tries to play them inside and power against them, which he will not win that battle until he learns to use his lower body strength (which he has shown he has and Govan never had). The finesse game and mid-range and out shooting should work decently against the athletic power bigs, but he tries to play power against them and it doesn't work. He will bang his way in with power backdown moves to get the defender in the circle, but rather than powering over the player goes to finesse to finish. He also brings the ball down too much when inside and then tries to power up, which makes him easy to block. He will also get inside on a drive with one or two bounces or on a pass while he is in motion and try to turn that into a power move that destroys his advantage. Yurt has the skills and has been learning more ways to play, which is a bit of the problem. He's still learning when to use what and how create and take advantage of mis-matches. He will get there, but I just wish he was there. Great summary - what I see too.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Jan 12, 2020 20:20:27 GMT -5
Yurtseven and Govan would have paired nicely with a strong power forward. Someone who could bang and clear the boards. Not a project, but a player with some offense as well. Maybe, Antwan Walker was that player. ☹️ I agree with this. I also think that the year out hurt him. Based on everything that I have seen, one more year would be in his best interest.
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Post by lichoya68 on Jan 13, 2020 8:59:13 GMT -5
just one thought MEANARWAYWAYUP yup go yurt step it up big guy go hoays need him to be much more meanier. WRIGHT NOW
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Post by wponds on Jan 15, 2020 21:44:03 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Jan 15, 2020 22:21:35 GMT -5
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Post by blueandgray on Jan 16, 2020 1:00:43 GMT -5
Different player when he’s not in foul trouble. Thought he played a much smarter game tonight. Marquette will test him.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 16, 2020 6:49:16 GMT -5
Kicking the ball out effectively from the double-team, is a game changer.
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Post by Ranch Dressing on Jan 16, 2020 7:19:09 GMT -5
Great game. Except the inexplicable missing of dunks continues. Weird.
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Post by HoyaDr on Jan 16, 2020 7:49:08 GMT -5
Great game. Except the inexplicable missing of dunks continues. Weird. He wound up for an emphatic highlight reel dunk. If he just had more control and didn't get so excited he would have gotten what we all wanted- a halftime lead. He had an excellent second half so we don't have to talk about it anymore lol
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Post by bostonfan on Jan 16, 2020 8:28:46 GMT -5
Yurt was really good last night and hopefully he is settling into what he needs to do to be successful in the Big East. He seems to play at a very controlled and almost casual pace most of the time and sometimes the physical play and frantic pace of the Big East has given him some issues. He probably has been coached to some degree growing up, to be patient and just let his skill and size lead to success. You hear all the time from commentators that when the big guys get the ball in the post to not rush and to have confidence in their moves and he seems to try to do that on offensive. Last night it worked great, in some earlier games the speed and frantic nature of the Big East clearly threw him off his game. You can see Coach Ewing working with him all the time to better understand what he needs to do and how hard and fast he needs to play. I am hopefully that those lessons will pay off as the season goes on.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jan 16, 2020 8:46:45 GMT -5
Except the missed dunks, a lot of the Yurt stuff seems to be effort related. Those things are improving however as he will need to crank up the motor on D to be really successful. John will be an interesting test from Marquette. Not much to worry about from him on O but got to block out and probably just shoot over him. When he misses his little in close hooks it looks like the ball flatlines on him and he isn't extending the hook. He really saved us last night though with Allen & Mac struggling being sick.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 16, 2020 11:30:21 GMT -5
Yurt was really good last night and hopefully he is settling into what he needs to do to be successful in the Big East. He seems to play at a very controlled and almost casual pace most of the time and sometimes the physical play and frantic pace of the Big East has given him some issues. He probably has been coached to some degree growing up, to be patient and just let his skill and size lead to success. You hear all the time from commentators that when the big guys get the ball in the post to not rush and to have confidence in their moves and he seems to try to do that on offensive. Last night it worked great, in some earlier games the speed and frantic nature of the Big East clearly threw him off his game. You can see Coach Ewing working with him all the time to better understand what he needs to do and how hard and fast he needs to play. I am hopefully that those lessons will pay off as the season goes on. Last night he got the ball in spots he's much more comfortable, he's a much better player facing the basket. I hope they keep going to that... Also Yurtseven seems to get anxious when he's not scoring/shooting, that's when he forces the action more which leads to missing kick-outs to teammates... The best thing the staff can do for him is put him in the spots he's most comfortable...
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