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Post by MCIGuy on Jan 5, 2018 17:35:16 GMT -5
I think what we get is a rule allowing kids to go straight to the pros, but if they don't, they have to stay at least 2 years. It could cause a ripple effect - instead of Kentucky, Duke, etc. getting the one-and-done kids, they would get the top recruits who choose college (who would otherwise have been crowded out and fallen to the next rung of colleges). But we aren't talking about that many kids each year, and Patrick could certainly establish the ability to compete with the blue bloods for the big men near the top of the list. Sure, they'd still get to top college recruits left. But the difference of getting an 3 or so NBA ready kids and 3 kids who are still a couple of years away is significant. That's what will even the playing field. But here's the thing....for the most part the Kentuckys and the Dukes aren't getting 3 NBA ready kids each year. If they did they would be winning the hardship exclusively. Instead they are getting a bunch of five star recruits who aren't even ready to dominate college basketball for the most part. Even when they are drafted high after their freshmen seasons it is more for potential than actual NBA readiness and many of those guys never live up to their hype. Duke especially has had a billion five star/McDonald All American types who end up being not all that spectacular. The playing field is even because these guys take roster spots for one year and then move on, which means more times than not the MOST TALENTED guys on Duke and Kentucky and Kansas are underclassmen who may not be ready to bend the landscape to their will. These programs win championships more when they have talented upperclassmen who stuck around or elite players who at least stayed unto their sophmore seasons.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jan 5, 2018 17:46:32 GMT -5
If Vanderbilt can get 2 and possibly 3 five stars in one class so can we. People are underestimating Ewing. Exactly. I've seen programs like Baylor, Vandy, Stanford, Cal, Texas, Villanova, NC. State, Miami, Arizona, Florida State, Alabama, LSU, Missouri, Oregon, UNLV, Oklahoma, etc. getting five star recruits in this era when supposedly all of those guys are destined for the Dukes, UNCs, UCLAs, Indianas, Kentuckys. Is Vanderbilt getting such high quality players now because they play football in the SEC?
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 5, 2018 17:54:09 GMT -5
I am open to five star transfers as well. 😉
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Post by sleepy on Jan 5, 2018 18:01:23 GMT -5
Sure, they'd still get to top college recruits left. But the difference of getting an 3 or so NBA ready kids and 3 kids who are still a couple of years away is significant. That's what will even the playing field. But here's the thing....for the most part the Kentuckys and the Dukes aren't getting 3 NBA ready kids each year. If they did they would be winning the hardship exclusively. Instead they are getting a bunch of five star recruits who aren't even ready to dominate college basketball for the most part. Even when they are drafted high after their freshmen seasons it is more for potential than actual NBA readiness and many of those guys never live up to their hype. Duke especially has had a billion five star/McDonald All American types who end up being not all that spectacular. The playing field is even because these guys take roster spots for one year and then move on, which means more times than not the MOST TALENTED guys on Duke and Kentucky and Kansas are underclassmen who may not be ready to bend the landscape to their will. These programs win championships more when they have talented upperclassmen who stuck around or elite players who at least stayed unto their sophmore seasons. Duke has had a one and done player every year except 2013 since 2011. In 2015( the year they won the title) they had three. Kentucky had 3 one and done players last year, 2 one and done players in 2016, 3 in 2015, 2 in 2014, 3 in 2013. Their success in entirely predicated on paring upperclassman talent with exceptional top 1% freshman talent. You take away that 1% of talent, you take away a their recruiting strategy.
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Post by MCIGuy on Jan 5, 2018 18:13:14 GMT -5
1-Proves my point that despite Duke bringing in top tier recruits each year, it results in championship-less seasons far more often than not.
2-Less than ten years ago Duke was not following the Calipari recruiting strategy and was still highly successful anyway. Both programs could easily adapt if the NBA opens up the draft to high schoolers again. Good programs adjust with the times.
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Post by sleepy on Jan 5, 2018 19:47:10 GMT -5
1-Proves my point that despite Duke bringing in top tier recruits each year, it results in championship-less seasons far more often than not. 2-Less than ten years ago Duke was not following the Calipari recruiting strategy and was still highly successful anyway. Both programs could easily adapt if the NBA opens up the draft to high schoolers again. Good programs adjust with the times. I'm not saying it will change the landscape of college basketball for goodness sake. Of course Duke and Kentucky will remain elite programs. What I am saying is that take away the one and done players and certain teams any given season are more beatable on a night to night basis. More teams have a chance to compete because the extraordinarily elite players(not just five stars) aren't congregating at the same 3-4 schools. My point: the year Duke and U.K. won their national championships they both had 3 one and done players. Additionally, getting the highest profile players out of college will take away some of the incentive for shoe companies to steer college players to certain schools. There will still be money exchanging hand of course, but Nike and Adidas aren't going to be shelling out 6 figures because a player might make the draft in 2-3 years.
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Post by centercourt400s on Jan 5, 2018 22:04:49 GMT -5
So... how 'bout that Jesse Govan?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2018 22:17:32 GMT -5
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Post by centercourt400s on Jan 11, 2018 10:32:39 GMT -5
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 11, 2018 10:52:24 GMT -5
Keep on Trucking Jessie!
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Jan 11, 2018 11:03:48 GMT -5
Can we also wrap our head around the fact that Georgetown is the 10th best free throw shooting team in the nation right now! There are some nice trends developing here with Ewing.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 11, 2018 12:01:13 GMT -5
Can we also wrap our head around the fact that Georgetown is the 10th best free throw shooting team in the nation right now! There are some nice trends developing here with Ewing. Surely wish the guards would recognize and attack and/or get the ball inside instead of shooting too many three point shots. We'd have a lower turnover rate per game if so, and higher free throw percentage.
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Post by hoyainla on Jan 11, 2018 12:31:30 GMT -5
Can we also wrap our head around the fact that Georgetown is the 10th best free throw shooting team in the nation right now! There are some nice trends developing here with Ewing. Surely wish the guards would recognize and attack and/or get the ball inside instead of shooting too many three point shots. We'd have a lower turnover rate per game if so, and higher free throw percentage. When the guards attack is when the turnovers happen. Even worse when they attack and get to the rim they cant finish so it is basically a turnover.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 11, 2018 12:46:58 GMT -5
So true. Too many charges and blocked shots. It's like they make up their minds to drive and go in full speed with their heads down. Don't recall any good dishes to our bigs off the penetration or pull-up jumpers. Need to recruit.
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Post by seaweed on Jan 11, 2018 12:53:40 GMT -5
So true. Too many charges and blocked shots. It's like they make up their minds to drive and go in full speed with their heads down. Don't recall any good dishes to our bigs off the penetration or pull-up jumpers. Need to recruit. Don't recall good dishes either - the best we can hope for when our guards drive is that one of the bigs somehow ends up with the resulting loose ball...
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 11, 2018 13:26:16 GMT -5
Surely wish the guards would recognize and attack and/or get the ball inside instead of shooting too many three point shots. We'd have a lower turnover rate per game if so, and higher free throw percentage. When the guards attack is when the turnovers happen. Even worse when they attack and get to the rim they cant finish so it is basically a turnover. I don't think you and seaweed understand what I'm talking about. I'm talking in basketball attacking the paint or getting the ball inside are the right things to do in basketball. Now, with this said you "limit" your "turnovers" doing the right thing. Most of our turnovers have been unforced turnovers in transition. Yes, sometimes or most of the time our guards aren't finishing at the rim, but they're doing the right thing in attacking the paint/basket. Just think if we had guards that could finish, you'd say they were doing the right thing. Pls respect my knowledge from a coaching stand point. Hope this helps you understand the game better. "To be a consistent winning team, you must be able to get the ball inside for those low post shots and lay-ups. You want to get to the free-throw line and get the opponent in foul trouble. Don't just rely on firing up three-pointers all night. Avoid pointless dribbling on the perimeter..keep the ball moving. Look for your own shot too or otherwise the defense will not have to play you seriously. Look for the outside shot, but also be able to beat your defender with a drive into the paint. When you penetrate, you cause problems for the defense if you can hit the little pull-up jumper just inside the arc in the paint, or if you can dish the ball to an open low post player (whose man has come up to defend you)." seaweed just ask if you don't know lol... www.coachesclipboard.net/PointGuard.htmlDitto!
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 11, 2018 13:37:22 GMT -5
So true. Too many charges and blocked shots. It's like they make up their minds to drive and go in full speed with their heads down. Don't recall any good dishes to our bigs off the penetration or pull-up jumpers. Need to recruit. Although some turnovers happen it's still the right thing to do in basketball. And also your turnovers are limited. You at least have a change to get to the free throw if you don't make the turnover/s. If we had more skilled guards, true point guard they'd more than likely be finishing. They'd be shooting over the defense or shot blocker! What you just wrote about is guard play that is not good. The Hoyas have made some good passes to our bigs in transition. Here you go hope this helps I'm talking in basketball attacking the paint or getting the ball inside are the right things to do in basketball. Now, with this said you "limit" your "turnovers" doing the right thing. Most of our turnovers have been unforced turnovers in transition. Yes, sometimes or most of the time our guards are finishing at the rim, but they're doing the right thing in attacking the paint/basket. Just think if we had guards that could finish, you'd say they were doing the right thing. Pls respect my knowledge from a coaching stand point. Hope this helps you understand the game better. "To be a consistent winning team, you must be able to get the ball inside for those low post shots and lay-ups. You want to get to the free-throw line and get the opponent in foul trouble. Don't just rely on firing up three-pointers all night. Avoid pointless dribbling on the perimeter..keep the ball moving. Look for your own shot too or otherwise the defense will not have to play you seriously. Look for the outside shot, but also be able to beat your defender with a drive into the paint. When you penetrate, you cause problems for the defense if you can hit the little pull-up jumper just inside the arc in the paint, or if you can dish the ball to an open low post player (whose man has come up to defend you)." www.coachesclipboard.net/PointGuard.htmlDitto
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 11, 2018 13:38:17 GMT -5
So true. Too many charges and blocked shots. It's like they make up their minds to drive and go in full speed with their heads down. Don't recall any good dishes to our bigs off the penetration or pull-up jumpers. Need to recruit. Don't recall good dishes either - the best we can hope for when our guards drive is that one of the bigs somehow ends up with the resulting loose ball... Well, you're NOT watching the whole game then lol. So, far this season the Hoyas have 284 assists. Second in the conference Hmmm. Here you go pal! www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/statistics/team/_/stat/assists/group/4 seaweed is SUSPECT... LMAO!
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Post by HometownHoya on Jan 11, 2018 13:51:24 GMT -5
Can we also wrap our head around the fact that Georgetown is the 10th best free throw shooting team in the nation right now! There are some nice trends developing here with Ewing. Definitely helps to have bigs that can shoot the rock.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 11, 2018 13:51:49 GMT -5
So true. Too many charges and blocked shots. It's like they make up their minds to drive and go in full speed with their heads down. Don't recall any good dishes to our bigs off the penetration or pull-up jumpers. Need to recruit. Don't recall good dishes either - the best we can hope for when our guards drive is that one of the bigs somehow ends up with the resulting loose ball... Haha right here alone in this video you can see Jessie & Jagan finishing strong in transition in the Cuse loss. So, I guess you don't remember that slick pass Blair made to Jagan ey. I mean this isn't even the whole video. Need more??? Respect the coach. lol www.espn.com/ncb/recap/_/gameId/undefinedseaweed is SUSPECT! LOL!
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