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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 11, 2018 13:57:23 GMT -5
It's almost like we're playing football without a legit quarterback. A good PG would make this offense run smoothly and greatly reduce the number of turnovers. Also, presses and end of games would be easier to manage. Back to Govan- what an incredible three ball. That shot will be a Hoya highlight.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 11, 2018 14:01:11 GMT -5
It's almost like we're playing football without a legit quarterback. A good PG would make this offense run smoothly and greatly reduce the number of turnovers. Also, presses and end of games would be easier to manage. Back to Govan- what an incredible three ball. That shot will be a Hoya highlight. I just mentioned this. LOL! The Hoyas are second in assists. AS long as you play the right way regardless of turnovers will be limited. You just have to care of the ball!
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 11, 2018 14:03:57 GMT -5
Can we also wrap our head around the fact that Georgetown is the 10th best free throw shooting team in the nation right now! There are some nice trends developing here with Ewing. And this is why the Hoyas need to continue to attack the paint. The to's will be limited.
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Post by seaweed on Jan 11, 2018 14:35:56 GMT -5
Don't recall good dishes either - the best we can hope for when our guards drive is that one of the bigs somehow ends up with the resulting loose ball... Haha right here alone in this video you can see Jessie & Jagan finishing strong in transition in the Cuse loss. So, I guess you don't remember that slick pass Blair made to Jagan ey. I mean this isn't even the whole video. Need more??? Respect the coach. lol www.espn.com/ncb/recap/_/gameId/undefinedseaweed is SUSPECT! LOL! Glad you are having fun with this Glide - you clearly need a hobby. You posted a link to the espn college hoops scoreboard, not a GU video. You appear to be referencing a transition basket, not something that came up in the context of our half court offense, when guard drives are necessary. You also seem to be talking about our overall assist numbers, not the ones that come after guard drives. Additionally on that subject, our assist numbers have dropped significantly in league play and our turnover numbers have risen, so the raw numbers of total assists is a bit misleading. Finally, you cited some random coach's clipboard article generally referencing the importance of drives. While this skill is universally acknowledged as important, our guards this year have not perfected driving and turn it over FAR more often than desirable on drives. Unfortunately, the FACT is that our guards are not effective drivers at this moment. Hopefully that will change and most have shown some signs of promise, but this part of our game is not there yet. But hey, keep using me as your punching bag. Your opinions will get respect when they deserve it.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 11, 2018 14:45:42 GMT -5
Haha right here alone in this video you can see Jessie & Jagan finishing strong in transition in the Cuse loss. So, I guess you don't remember that slick pass Blair made to Jagan ey. I mean this isn't even the whole video. Need more??? Respect the coach. lol www.espn.com/ncb/recap/_/gameId/undefinedseaweed is SUSPECT! LOL! Glad you are having fun with this Glide - you clearly need a hobby. You posted a link to the espn college hoops scoreboard, not a GU video. You appear to be referencing a transition basket, not something that came up in the context of our half court offense, when guard drives are necessary. You also seem to be talking about our overall assist numbers, not the ones that come after guard drives. Additionally on that subject, our assist numbers have dropped significantly in league play and our turnover numbers have risen, so the raw numbers of total assists is a bit misleading. Finally, you cited some random coach's clipboard article generally referencing the importance of drives. While this skill is universally acknowledged as important, our guards this year have not perfected driving and turn it over FAR more often than desirable on drives. Unfortunately, the FACT is that our guards are not effective drivers at this moment. Hopefully that will change and most have shown some signs of promise, but this part of our game is not there yet. But hey, keep using me as your punching bag. Your opinions will get respect when they deserve it. Trust me my opinions, excuse me, my facts always get respect. I wouldn't expect respect from folks who are jealous or hate because they don't know the game or what I know, so keep on embarrassing yourself with false claims and you could stand to learn more of this game of basketball. I'm NOT using you for anything you're beating yourself up without providing facts. My hobby is teaching the game of basketball. I eat, sleep and drink this game. You? A wannabe? Now you deny a video that shows proof of you not knowing what you're talking about. lol. Figures. I've stated my case, so please continue to learn the game? Out!
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 11, 2018 15:00:52 GMT -5
I have no idea what any of this has to do with Jessie Govan, who does not turn it over very much. In fact, he's by far the best at not turning it over on our team.
That said, while our team definitely gets charges and turnovers from rushing into traffic, I think the much easier turnovers to fix are the totally unforced errors. Things like lazy passes that end up in the opponents hands, passing to teammates who aren't there, ineffectively dealing with pressure, etc. During the St. John's game there were many examples of that.
If I were the staff, I would thoroughly analyze each player's turnovers and figure out why they are happening, and go from there. For example, Dickerson consistently drives into traffic looking for fouls, and a very high percentage of the time gets charged, or takes such a bad shot it's essentially a turnover. Those types of plays should be easy to address with instruction.
The ones that are the hardest to fix are the ones that deal with basic skills - like poor ball handling in pressure situations, etc. Still, there are strategies you can use to more effectively break the press. Against St. John's, there were many instances where a guard would get the ball in the back court and the other guard would sprint ahead - ideally, that's what you want, but not if you've got poor ball handlers facing pressure.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 11, 2018 15:17:47 GMT -5
I have no idea what any of this has to do with Jessie Govan, who does not turn it over very much. In fact, he's by far the best at not turning it over on our team. That said, while our team definitely gets charges and turnovers from rushing into traffic, I think the much easier turnovers to fix are the totally unforced errors. Things like lazy passes that end up in the opponents hands, passing to teammates who aren't there, ineffectively dealing with pressure, etc. During the St. John's game there were many examples of that. If I were the staff, I would thoroughly analyze each player's turnovers and figure out why they are happening, and go from there. For example, Dickerson consistently drives into traffic looking for fouls, and a very high percentage of the time gets charged, or takes such a bad shot it's essentially a turnover. Those types of plays should be easy to address with instruction. The ones that are the hardest to fix are the ones that deal with basic skills - like poor ball handling in pressure situations, etc. Still, there are strategies you can use to more effectively break the press. Against St. John's, there were many instances where a guard would get the ball in the back court and the other guard would sprint ahead - ideally, that's what you want, but not if you've got poor ball handlers facing pressure. The turnovers are happening because the Hoyas some or most of the times are playing around with the ball on the perimeter and of course the unforced turnovers. It's good for Dickerson to drive to the basket, BUT, he needs to stop and pop or shoot the floater so he won't be called for the charge. The only that's wrong is the turnover or charge call. This is again due to lack of a true point guard or two.
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Post by centercourt400s on Jan 11, 2018 16:01:02 GMT -5
Can we keep the discussion in the Jesse Govan thread primarily about Jessie Govan?
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Post by hoyainla on Jan 11, 2018 17:53:24 GMT -5
Don't recall good dishes either - the best we can hope for when our guards drive is that one of the bigs somehow ends up with the resulting loose ball... Haha right here alone in this video you can see Jessie & Jagan finishing strong in transition in the Cuse loss. So, I guess you don't remember that slick pass Blair made to Jagan ey. I mean this isn't even the whole video. Need more??? Respect the coach. lol www.espn.com/ncb/recap/_/gameId/undefinedseaweed is SUSPECT! LOL! I think you may be spending too much time posting and not watching during the game. Sure our guards should drive and dish but that's not happening on a regular basis. If it was we wouldn't be sitting here complaining that we need guards. Our guards are driving and turning it over or throwing up wild shots at a far higher rate than they are doing anything positive. By the way I'm talking about the games vs actual teams. I could care less what happened vs the cupcakes.
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Post by hoyainla on Jan 11, 2018 17:56:10 GMT -5
Let's bring this back to Jessie. He should be getting more 3's drawn up for him. A simple pick and pop will get the job done and no turnovers so everyone is happy.
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Post by EtomicB on Jan 11, 2018 18:14:36 GMT -5
Let's bring this back to Jessie. He should be getting more 3's drawn up for him. A simple pick and pop will get the job done and no turnovers so everyone is happy. The problem with trying to run a pick & pop with Jessie is that the defense will choose to take him 99% of the time.. Jessie needs to get his 3's from transition or heavy ball movement..
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 11, 2018 18:29:40 GMT -5
I agree Jesse needs more threes. I am not saying he should suddenly be chucking from three - he shouldn't, but he's going to take a lot of shots in the paint regardless, so adding threes adds some balance. Plus, he's one of our best three point shooters and he's not shooting.
The days of a post player who camps in the paint have mostly gone by - you can get away with it if you have a phenomenal player who excels in the paint offensively (like Josh Smith or Andre Drummond) - but it's really not an optimal way to play the game in 2017.
My biggest concern is the following scenario which has played out a lot in Big East play: Jesse gets the ball in/near the post but he's guarded well (or double teamed). He then faces up and takes a two point jump shot from 8-12 feet. While Govan has been generally pretty good at these, it's not the best shot in basketball in that it tends to be challenging and you only get two points. Given that Govan can actually shoot from three, I would like to see fewer of the longer twos and more threes.
Again, before people jump to conclusions, I am not talking about Govan launching 15 threes a game, but for someone of his skill level, 1 or 2 a game is too few.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Jan 11, 2018 20:57:03 GMT -5
Haha right here alone in this video you can see Jessie & Jagan finishing strong in transition in the Cuse loss. So, I guess you don't remember that slick pass Blair made to Jagan ey. I mean this isn't even the whole video. Need more??? Respect the coach. lol www.espn.com/ncb/recap/_/gameId/undefinedseaweed is SUSPECT! LOL! I think you may be spending too much time posting and not watching during the game. Sure our guards should drive and dish but that's not happening on a regular basis. If it was we wouldn't be sitting here complaining that we need guards. Our guards are driving and turning it over or throwing up wild shots at a far higher rate than they are doing anything positive. By the way I'm talking about the games vs actual teams. I could care less what happened vs the cupcakes. Actually they do drive and dish. We're 4th nationally (yes in the nation) and first in the conference in assist percentage, lead by our guards. They turn it over at a high rate and they generally can't shoot, but they do run the offense. When it works, it's great. It just needs more talent to work more often.
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Post by sleepy on Jan 11, 2018 22:03:32 GMT -5
I agree Jesse needs more threes. I am not saying he should suddenly be chucking from three - he shouldn't, but he's going to take a lot of shots in the paint regardless, so adding threes adds some balance. Plus, he's one of our best three point shooters and he's not shooting. The days of a post player who camps in the paint have mostly gone by - you can get away with it if you have a phenomenal player who excels in the paint offensively (like Josh Smith or Andre Drummond) - but it's really not an optimal way to play the game in 2017. My biggest concern is the following scenario which has played out a lot in Big East play: Jesse gets the ball in/near the post but he's guarded well (or double teamed). He then faces up and takes a two point jump shot from 8-12 feet. While Govan has been generally pretty good at these, it's not the best shot in basketball in that it tends to be challenging and you only get two points. Given that Govan can actually shoot from three, I would like to see fewer of the longer twos and more threes. Again, before people jump to conclusions, I am not talking about Govan launching 15 threes a game, but for someone of his skill level, 1 or 2 a game is too few. 8-12 feet is his best shot...
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Post by dchoya72 on Jan 11, 2018 23:58:31 GMT -5
Who would get the rebounds while he's out there?
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Post by ewingitrust on Jan 12, 2018 7:42:42 GMT -5
I've been waiting on Govan/Delgado...its finally here! I feel Govan's want to prove he's ths best man in the conference and will perform like that tomorrow.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 12, 2018 8:09:52 GMT -5
Walker can rebound. The kid has a nose for the ball and plays aggressively- like Hoyas of old. Need to get him some more minutes.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 12, 2018 8:21:13 GMT -5
Haha right here alone in this video you can see Jessie & Jagan finishing strong in transition in the Cuse loss. So, I guess you don't remember that slick pass Blair made to Jagan ey. I mean this isn't even the whole video. Need more??? Respect the coach. lol www.espn.com/ncb/recap/_/gameId/undefinedseaweed is SUSPECT! LOL! I think you may be spending too much time posting and not watching during the game. Sure our guards should drive and dish but that's not happening on a regular basis. If it was we wouldn't be sitting here complaining that we need guards. Our guards are driving and turning it over or throwing up wild shots at a far higher rate than they are doing anything positive. By the way I'm talking about the games vs actual teams. I could care less what happened vs the cupcakes. I eat, sleep, and study the game of basketball like you wouldn't believe bro. I don't miss a play! You're right and I've said this about our guards not playing consistent and even wrote about this for years. I've said when most other's didn't know what our problem was about poor guard and the Hoyas needing a couple of true point guards where you? I got so Editeded I wrote and posted photo's champ. >>> glidehoyas.wordpress.com/2016/02/20/understanding-what-the-hoyas-have-been-missing-a-true-point-guard/ I know what our guards are doing. I was a guard myself and my son was to. >>> I taught him well and learned from some of the best in the DMV and elsewhere. LOL, actual games are actual games meaning those team's that are less fortunate come out to play as well. But, if you want to call them cupcakes, so be it. lol. Peace out champ! Oh, btw my son is the smallest one on the court in the gray uniform #12. He was a great playmaker and could finish with the best of em. Coach Adkins,(Wizards ass't coach/Montrose) once said your son really knows the game and the role of point guard at such a young age. Of course I thank him for that. This is his freshman video 9th grade.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 12, 2018 8:26:19 GMT -5
Can we keep the discussion in the Jesse Govan thread primarily about Jessie Govan? We try but ya'll let it go South lol.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 12, 2018 8:26:56 GMT -5
Walker can rebound. The kid has a nose for the ball and plays aggressively- like Hoyas of old. Need to get him some more minutes. Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo true!
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