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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 6, 2017 13:53:45 GMT -5
I really wish I could share this enthusiasm about Jesse. Our BE opponents will take it to him and I just don't see him being able to avoid fouling and stay in games. Plus, I don't see him getting these easy baskets and rebounds against quality BE big men. Maybe our uptempo style will help. Syracuse game will be the first real test. True.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Dec 6, 2017 14:41:21 GMT -5
I really wish I could share this enthusiasm about Jesse. Our BE opponents will take it to him and I just don't see him being able to avoid fouling and stay in games. Plus, I don't see him getting these easy baskets and rebounds against quality BE big men. Maybe our uptempo style will help. Syracuse game will be the first real test. True. Jessie is going to get pushed around, he'll commit more fouls and his rebounding won't be there as well against bigger players. But the biggest thing will be whether he can draw fouls. If he can, he can still be very effective. If he doesn't get the calls, he'll be a jump shooter.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 6, 2017 14:50:41 GMT -5
Jessie is going to get pushed around, he'll commit more fouls and his rebounding won't be there as well against bigger players. But the biggest thing will be whether he can draw fouls. If he can, he can still be very effective. If he doesn't get the calls, he'll be a jump shooter. I agree.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Dec 6, 2017 16:28:42 GMT -5
That will determine if he can go pro. If he flourishes he is gone, if he doesn't he stays. Not sure if that's a win-win or lose-lose.
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Post by hoyainla on Dec 6, 2017 16:50:06 GMT -5
He will be able to leave no matter what. If he keeps it up he will be seen as a better Thomas Bryant. That could get him into the back of round 1. If not he will go in round 2. It's just a matter of if he thinks 1 more year would help his draft stock.
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Post by MCIGuy on Dec 6, 2017 17:53:28 GMT -5
Jessie Govan has the strength, height and skills to be the best big man in the Big East. It's up to him to determine how he will use those tools. If he is pushed around it is because he will allow himself to be pushed around, and that would be an indicator more of mentality than ability.
Is he going to average 20 and 10 in the Big East? No. But some of you seem to forget that he has shown signs of being an elite college basketball big man before when putting up numbers against quality foes, including future NBA players. The biggest problem with him has been consistency.
Of course his numbers are going to look inflated and very good considering the competition he has faced this far this season. But at least he has for the most part dominated the competition he has faced. When Alonzo Mourning was at Gtown John Thompson had cupcake schedules too. Zo wasn't putting up 40 points and 20 plus rebounds against those bad teams. He would put up about the same numbers Govan is doing now, just with FAR more blocks. But did his good numbers translate to how well he would play in the Big East? Yes, it did. For those of you who watched Pat Ewing at Gtown perhaps you can confirm if the same scenario applied to him. 20 plus points, 10 or more rebounds on average against weak opponents, and still dominated against tougher conference competition.
There are still a number of things I want to see from Govan, but as of right now he is doing what he is supposed to do during this early stretch of the schedule. God help him if he looked average to just above awful in these initial weeks. You guys would really be tearing him apart.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Dec 6, 2017 18:10:23 GMT -5
Jessie is going to get pushed around, he'll commit more fouls and his rebounding won't be there as well against bigger players. But the biggest thing will be whether he can draw fouls. If he can, he can still be very effective. If he doesn't get the calls, he'll be a jump shooter. I agree but I do have one question: who in conference other than Delgado is significantly bigger/stronger/more skilled than Jessie? I can come up with a million guards who will make it hard on our guards to get it to Jessie but I'm not sold on the actual big men counterparts in the Big East being able to so easily knock him around. It won't be as easy as it is now, but he still will have an advantage much of the time. He will have to make smart decisions of course since he will be such a focus of the defense, but that's different than being overmatched in my opinion.
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Post by BigmanU on Dec 6, 2017 19:46:05 GMT -5
I see four tiers of competition, not in any specific order. Delgado has him beat unless I see otherwise. Tier #2 will be his only other competition. If he doesn't get the better of tier #3 & dominate tier #4, Houston we have a problem.
Tier #1 Delgado-SH (All-American Beast)
Tier #2 Spellman-VU (High ceiling) Wideman-BU (Solid)
Tier #3 Maric-Depaul (Seems to disappear against tough competition) Jones-XU (potential)
Tier #4 Owens-SJU Krampelj-CU Watson-PC Heldt-Marquette
As mentioned previously, his biggest problem will be protecting the rim against pesky guards.
Jessie should also have a decent test Saturday vs North Carolina A&T's Femi Olujobi 25pts 9 1/2 Reb per game.
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Post by seaweed on Dec 7, 2017 12:07:40 GMT -5
I see four tiers of competition, not in any specific order. Delgado has him beat unless I see otherwise. Tier #2 will be his only other competition. If he doesn't get the better of tier #3 & dominate tier #4, Houston we have a problem. Tier #1 Delgado-SH (All-American Beast) Tier #2 Spellman-VU (High ceiling) Wideman-BU (Solid) Tier #3 Maric-Depaul (Seems to disappear against tough competition) Jones-XU (potential) Tier #4 Owens-SJU Krampelj-CU Watson-PC Heldt-Marquette As mentioned previously, his biggest problem will be protecting the rim against pesky guards. Jessie should also have a decent test Saturday vs North Carolina A&T's Femi Olujobi 25pts 9 1/2 Reb per game. VU doesn't carry a center on their roster and Spellman is their main power forward, but don't discount the impact Fordham transfer Eric Paschall has in their front court. He has turned himself into a beast and is actually outscoring Spellman. He is no stretch, but he hits from the line and he dishes 2 assists per game. They may be undersized and VU has no real front court depth, but they do pack on heck of a One-Two Punch.
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 11, 2017 11:36:30 GMT -5
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Post by HometownHoya on Dec 11, 2017 11:41:31 GMT -5
Cant wait to see some real competition. If he keeps up this performance against better teams, he'll net a few BE Player of the Week honors. A big game Saturday would help as it's probably the highest profile matchup for BE teams this week.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 11, 2017 12:30:27 GMT -5
I am optimistic that Govan will continue to play well. I do think he will have more trouble against better teams, but I think his fundamentals are really good and will carry over. His stats are quite good so far:
Shooting: So far, he's shooting 63.6% on twos, and 58.3% on threes (compared to 53% and 40% last year). His free throw shooting is slightly better so far (68.1% v. 66.7% last year - as a freshman he shot FTs at 83.1%, so I am hoping he can up that number).
FT Rate: He's drawing a lot more fouls this year (47 FT rate) than last year (32.4 FT rate).
Turnovers: His turnover rate is 10%, which is outstanding (last year he was at 18.7). He is, by far,the least prone to turnovers of anybody on our team.
Assist Rate: His assist rate is lower this season, but I think that's because he's more of a central focus this year - last year he (appropriately) deferred more to Pryor and Peak.
Rebounds: Again, Govan has had major improvement, with a 16.1% offensive rebound rate, compared to 7.1% last year. And his defensive rebounding rate, 28.3% is also a big improvement over last year (19.3).
Offensive Efficiency: 133.8! While it's unlikely it'll stay this high in conference play, it's still excellent. Last season, his efficiency was 103.0. That's an enormous improvement.
Foul Rate: As a freshman and sophomore, Govan fouled a LOT (7 fouls per 40 minutes freshman year, 4.8 fouls per 40 minutes last year). This year, he's only committing 2.8 fouls per 40 minutes. Again, a huge improvement, and it's why he has been able to stay on the floor longer. This might be tougher to maintain going forward with more skilled opponents, but it's a huge change for the positive.
All in all, Govan has seen massive improvements - so much so, that I think it's likely to carry over to Big East play. Major kudos to Govan, Ewing, and the staff for these improvements.
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Post by seaweed on Dec 11, 2017 12:50:16 GMT -5
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 11, 2017 12:53:36 GMT -5
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Post by centercourt400s on Dec 12, 2017 16:37:47 GMT -5
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Post by ewingitrust on Dec 15, 2017 11:39:48 GMT -5
He's definitely more assertive and seems ready to be the alpha dog on the team in understanding that he needs to play well.
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Post by aggypryd on Dec 15, 2017 18:52:09 GMT -5
He's too passive. Too much double-clutching on his shot around the rim instead of going straight to the hole with it. I think Pat can help him with that, but it'll take time to undo that tentative behavior around the rim.
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Post by DanMcQ on Dec 19, 2017 9:14:53 GMT -5
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Post by MCIGuy on Dec 19, 2017 9:23:41 GMT -5
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Dec 19, 2017 10:08:03 GMT -5
Selfishly, we need Jessie back next year.
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