dailey247
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Post by dailey247 on Mar 27, 2018 12:01:50 GMT -5
I think a decent (but imperfect) definition for "Blue Blood" is a program where three different coaches went to the final four, and two different coaches won championships. That list is: Indiana, North Carolina, UCLA, Kentucky, Kansas, Louisville, and NC State. If Coach K ever retires and his successor wins a title, Duke would be the 8th on that list. Probably, Duke is already a "Blue Blood" and NC state isn't, but still that's pretty close.
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Post by bicentennial on Mar 27, 2018 12:16:55 GMT -5
So if it takes two different coaches to go to a final four then both Villanova and Georgetown as well as Loyola and DePaul would be blue bloods. There has to be an element of time between winning to be a blue blood. I don't think the number of coaches matters at all. I think multiple final fours within the past two decades as well as regular NCAA appearances with very rare years out of the tournament would be a reasonable definition.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 27, 2018 12:45:04 GMT -5
Nova's had a helleva run...but their no blueblood. Hoyas are the "blueblood" in the conference. I love our program and want us to be in the conversation of being a "blueblood" because it will have meant we had massive success. In 1989, would easily have been considered among such a group. Georgetown had stellar NCAA success, its apparel was a huge seller, Georgetown was somewhat of a cultural phenomena, everybody knew who Patrick Ewing was, etc. Unfortunately, I think it's hard to make a straight-faced argument that we are a bluebood program now. Since 1997, our program has two sweet 16's and one Final Four. That's over 22 years. In the same period, we have one BET championship, and have won the Big East 3 out of 22 seasons. We had a lot of great seasons that ended without NCAA success, and I think those merit a lot of attention, but over the last 20 or so years, we simply aren't a blueblood program, and I don't think anybody knowledgeable about college basketball - other than Georgetown fans - would think so.
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prhoya
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Post by prhoya on Mar 27, 2018 13:07:28 GMT -5
Yeah, but Duke and UNC were running the show in the ACC and the ACC was usually considered the toughest conference in basketball. When was the ACC considered the toughest conference? That's ESPN talking. The truth is the old BE was better all-around than the old ACC. The BE had teams going to the NCAA T in record numbers, had various teams winning championships and having more success head-to-head against other conferences. I don't have the numbers, but there was an article somewhere here showing that new BE has a better track record percentage-wise than the new ACC.
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This Just In
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Post by This Just In on Mar 27, 2018 13:40:22 GMT -5
So if it takes two different coaches to go to a final four then both Villanova and Georgetown as well as Loyola and DePaul would be blue bloods. There has to be an element of time between winning to be a blue blood. I don't think the number of coaches matters at all. I think multiple final fours within the past two decades as well as regular NCAA appearances with very rare years out of the tournament would be a reasonable definition. Dailey247 said this "I think a decent (but imperfect) definition for "Blue Blood" is a program where three different coaches went to the final four, and two different coaches won championships".Georgetown does not qualify under that definition as John Thompson II is the only coach to win a championship but Villanova has Rollie Massimino and Jay Wright. Georgetown will pay its coach like a Blue Blood, therefore with the issue of the money hurdle out the way, there is no reason why this program cannot have the success of Villanova and other Blue Blood programs and get a coach to take us to the promise land again.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Mar 27, 2018 13:50:13 GMT -5
Dan Patrick also referred to them as a blue blood. I won't believe they are a blue blood until Elvado says they are!
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Post by This Just In on Mar 27, 2018 13:55:01 GMT -5
Yeah, but Duke and UNC were running the show in the ACC and the ACC was usually considered the toughest conference in basketball. When was the ACC considered the toughest conference? That's ESPN talking. The truth is the old BE was better all-around than the old ACC. The BE had teams going to the NCAA T in record numbers, had various teams winning championships and having more success head-to-head against other conferences. I don't have the numbers, but there was an article somewhere here showing that new BE has a better track record percentage-wise than the new ACC. And thanks to Villanova's success in the tournament is the reason why no one can argue and compare the NBE to a mid major conference. Look at the A-10 and AAC (even though UConn won it the 1st year in 2014) , these conferences are not considered upper upper until they consistently produce the 500LB gorilla in the room like a Villanova that can win when the media and America pays the most attention to College Basketball.
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Post by prhoya on Mar 27, 2018 14:04:23 GMT -5
And we'll make a lot of noise... good noise... next year!!!
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Post by the_way on Mar 27, 2018 14:35:52 GMT -5
Yeah, but Duke and UNC were running the show in the ACC and the ACC was usually considered the toughest conference in basketball. When was the ACC considered the toughest conference? That's ESPN talking. The truth is the old BE was better all-around than the old ACC. The BE had teams going to the NCAA T in record numbers, had various teams winning championships and having more success head-to-head against other conferences. I don't have the numbers, but there was an article somewhere here showing that new BE has a better track record percentage-wise than the new ACC. I'm with you. Whether it wasn't factual or whether we knew the Big East was the toughest conference, ACC was always given the benefit of the doubt as the toughest. Right or wrong, it is what it is. It was a good conference nonetheless. Just wasn't the best as it was hyped to be. Just like the weak UNC-Duke rivalry.I'd take the Georgetown-Syracuse rivalry of the glory days. But what I was trying to point out regarding despite Duke and UNC's dominance, there were other respectable programs that upheld the conference. Same could be said with the New Big East. Yeah, Nova has been dominant. Xavier has been consistent. But we have some other solid teams and coaches in the conference in recent years.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 27, 2018 15:12:31 GMT -5
Dan Patrick also referred to them as a blue blood. I won't believe they are a blue blood until Elvado says they are! Poke. Poke. Poke.
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Post by HometownHoya on Mar 28, 2018 2:15:18 GMT -5
Congrats to Nova on their success. It should be us though. If Pat can find success and keep it there it will be. Fortunately, with our history, we are closer to there then many other schools.
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Post by Elvado on Mar 28, 2018 9:16:51 GMT -5
I won't believe they are a blue blood until Elvado says they are! Poke. Poke. Poke. That should take place right after Count Chocula returns the 1999 NCAA money...
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