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Post by EtomicB on Mar 29, 2018 19:58:03 GMT -5
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Post by drquigley on Mar 29, 2018 20:55:55 GMT -5
" But — and perhaps more importantly — that also happened to be right around the time when Jay Wright completely reevaluated the way that he was recruiting. There was a point, in the late-00s, right around the time when Villanova made a run to the 2009 Final Four, that Wright started recruiting based on rankings. He wasn’t looking for the players that fit into the way he wanted to play, he was bringing in players that every thought were among the best in the country and hoping that he could get them to do what he wanted them to do."I hope everyone on the Board read this article. First, this really explains what happened to JT3 and the Hoyas. And second, this shows the way the Hoyas have to go. MD and Jesse are great but they really don't fit the mold that Wright has created. Can Blair and Pickett ever learn to handle the rock and score off the dribble? Will Mclung and other recruits be able to post people up? I laughed when Wright said his system has opposing bigs running around the perimeter chasing his guys. Sound familiar?
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 29, 2018 22:08:52 GMT -5
" But — and perhaps more importantly — that also happened to be right around the time when Jay Wright completely reevaluated the way that he was recruiting. There was a point, in the late-00s, right around the time when Villanova made a run to the 2009 Final Four, that Wright started recruiting based on rankings. He wasn’t looking for the players that fit into the way he wanted to play, he was bringing in players that every thought were among the best in the country and hoping that he could get them to do what he wanted them to do."I hope everyone on the Board read this article. First, this really explains what happened to JT3 and the Hoyas. And second, this shows the way the Hoyas have to go. MD and Jesse are great but they really don't fit the mold that Wright has created. Can Blair and Pickett ever learn to handle the rock and score off the dribble? Will Mclung and other recruits be able to post people up? I laughed when Wright said his system has opposing bigs running around the perimeter chasing his guys. Sound familiar? Omari Spellman weighed 280+ pounds when he was recruited to Villanova.. Wright isn't talking about physical attributes when he's speaking on kids who fit his mold..
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 30, 2018 8:42:40 GMT -5
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Post by drquigley on Mar 30, 2018 9:46:38 GMT -5
" But — and perhaps more importantly — that also happened to be right around the time when Jay Wright completely reevaluated the way that he was recruiting. There was a point, in the late-00s, right around the time when Villanova made a run to the 2009 Final Four, that Wright started recruiting based on rankings. He wasn’t looking for the players that fit into the way he wanted to play, he was bringing in players that every thought were among the best in the country and hoping that he could get them to do what he wanted them to do."I hope everyone on the Board read this article. First, this really explains what happened to JT3 and the Hoyas. And second, this shows the way the Hoyas have to go. MD and Jesse are great but they really don't fit the mold that Wright has created. Can Blair and Pickett ever learn to handle the rock and score off the dribble? Will Mclung and other recruits be able to post people up? I laughed when Wright said his system has opposing bigs running around the perimeter chasing his guys. Sound familiar? Omari Spellman weighed 280+ pounds when he was recruited to Villanova.. Wright isn't talking about physical attributes when he's speaking on kids who fit his mold.. I never saw Spellman play in high school but I bet he had the physical attributes, even at 280, that Wright was looking for. I bet he had a pretty 3 point shot, had quick feet and could score off the dribble, and could play defense away from the basket. Compare Spellman to Jesse Govan. Govan is the classic big man albeit with a nice touch from outside but is useless on defense away from the basket, cannot score off the dribble, and generally needs to be fed in the post. I can see how JT3, after years of terrible offensive centers like Smith/Hopkins/ Lubick would salivate for a guy like Jesse. But Jesse is the past and like the article points out big men like Spellman are the future. I know many on this Board fear the graduation of Govan but I predict that Govan will not be missed if - and this is a big if - PE's can find big men who fit the Spellman mode rather than the Govan model.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Mar 30, 2018 10:10:04 GMT -5
Is there a way to reverse block this post so that Elvado doesn't see it? Not sure his blood pressure could take it😁
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 30, 2018 10:18:13 GMT -5
This quote from that article is really key:
I know it's sort of common sense, but when you put 5 guys out on the court that can shoot and pass well, things become so much easier. Our 2007 team really was similar (with one exception, Hibbert) in that the team featured a lot of guys who could score the ball, pass well, etc. Hibbert is the exception because he doesn't fit the modern mold of being able to shoot well from three, but he defended well and was massively efficient from two, which was incredibly effective.
I actually think this is one way in which JT3 had the concept right but failed to execute. JT3 often talked about position-less basketball, etc. - in words not much different from what Wright says in that article. The difference is that, in practice, JT3 never achieved that goal beyond the 2007-2008 era team, plus I do think JT3 was wedded to the old-fashioned role of a center or big. That old fashioned approach worked when you had a guy as hugely talented as Hibbert, but not when you downgraded to guys like Hopkins or Hayes.
The approach discussed in that article has a lot of similarities to the way in which NBA teams play now, as well. The old fashioned bigs who post up and can't otherwise shoot are slowly becoming relics (if this was 1990, Hibbert would still be playing) in the NBA, too. It's the modern game, and Ewing is clearly familiar with it, so I fully expect us to follow this approach.
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Post by kbones17 on Mar 30, 2018 11:14:28 GMT -5
This quote from that article is really key: I know it's sort of common sense, but when you put 5 guys out on the court that can shoot and pass well, things become so much easier. Our 2007 team really was similar (with one exception, Hibbert) in that the team featured a lot of guys who could score the ball, pass well, etc. Hibbert is the exception because he doesn't fit the modern mold of being able to shoot well from three, but he defended well and was massively efficient from two, which was incredibly effective. I actually think this is one way in which JT3 had the concept right but failed to execute. JT3 often talked about position-less basketball, etc. - in words not much different from what Wright says in that article. The difference is that, in practice, JT3 never achieved that goal beyond the 2007-2008 era team, plus I do think JT3 was wedded to the old-fashioned role of a center or big. That old fashioned approach worked when you had a guy as hugely talented as Hibbert, but not when you downgraded to guys like Hopkins or Hayes. The approach discussed in that article has a lot of similarities to the way in which NBA teams play now, as well. The old fashioned bigs who post up and can't otherwise shoot are slowly becoming relics (if this was 1990, Hibbert would still be playing) in the NBA, too. It's the modern game, and Ewing is clearly familiar with it, so I fully expect us to follow this approach. The key point to me is that all five players on Nova can dribble and shoot. Ballhandling is key and allows these players pressure the defense into committing one way or another before shooting or passing. They don’t rely on two guys to initiate offense; they all can. We have a long way to go to improve this aspect of our game. From the recruits PE has brought in, I’m still seeing guys who may have trouble moving with the basketball. We’ll see how it shakes out, but in my book we need to really be emphasizing players with guard skills at all positions.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Mar 30, 2018 11:19:27 GMT -5
I think my biggest takeaway is that Rob Dauster has a bigger following than his actual media outlet. 25,791 followers vs 22,698 followers 261 likes, 6 comments, and 72 retweets on this tweet vs 22 likes, 0 comments, and 10 retweets But I agree with the comment from yesterday that it was interesting to read about how Wright evolved to realize that fit means more in recruiting than rankings.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 30, 2018 11:59:03 GMT -5
I think my biggest takeaway is that Rob Dauster has a bigger following than his actual media outlet. 25,791 followers vs 22,698 followers 261 likes, 6 comments, and 72 retweets on this tweet vs 22 likes, 0 comments, and 10 retweets But I agree with the comment from yesterday that it was interesting to read about how Wright evolved to realize that fit means more in recruiting than rankings. But don't be fooled, most of the kids on Nova were all highly regarded kids in HS.. When Wright is speaking of fit, he means fitting into the team culture.. Bottom line is he's not selling the "I'll get you to the league" pitch, he's pushing the "buy into our team concept & we'll develop you" pitch..
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LCPolo18
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Post by LCPolo18 on Mar 30, 2018 12:04:56 GMT -5
I think my biggest takeaway is that Rob Dauster has a bigger following than his actual media outlet. 25,791 followers vs 22,698 followers 261 likes, 6 comments, and 72 retweets on this tweet vs 22 likes, 0 comments, and 10 retweets But I agree with the comment from yesterday that it was interesting to read about how Wright evolved to realize that fit means more in recruiting than rankings. But don't be fooled, most of the kids on Nova were all highly regarded kids in HS.. When Wright is speaking of fit, he means fitting into the team culture.. Bottom line is he's not selling the "I'll get you to the league" pitch, he's pushing the "buy into our team concept & we'll develop you" pitch.. Yeah he's still getting highly ranked recruits, but while part of it is fitting into team culture he also means fitting into the team system. At least that's how I understood the article when I read it when I posted it yesterday in this thread.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 30, 2018 14:27:28 GMT -5
But don't be fooled, most of the kids on Nova were all highly regarded kids in HS.. When Wright is speaking of fit, he means fitting into the team culture.. Bottom line is he's not selling the "I'll get you to the league" pitch, he's pushing the "buy into our team concept & we'll develop you" pitch.. Yeah he's still getting highly ranked recruits, but while part of it is fitting into team culture he also means fitting into the team system. At least that's how I understood the article when I read it when I posted it yesterday. I think we're reading it the same way Polo.. Wright's the best coach in college right now..
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Post by Hoyaholic on Mar 30, 2018 20:22:43 GMT -5
I think we're reading it the same way Polo.. Wright's the best coach in college right now.. Would love to disagree but can't. The highest compliment I can pay is that when Nova brings in a bunch of reserves, their approach and execution don't seem to change at all. Their future seems pretty bright.
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Post by 804hoya on Mar 31, 2018 12:53:10 GMT -5
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 3, 2018 21:30:17 GMT -5
Pretty good listen..
He mentioned that the program was able to keep the Strength coach from leaving for L'ville with Mack, that'll be a big plus for them..
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2018 8:36:06 GMT -5
The key point to me is that all five players on Nova can dribble and shoot... What's sad is that these are pretty basic basketball skills that we seem to lack. They seem like bare-minimum things that a D1 recruit should be able to do.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 4, 2018 8:57:04 GMT -5
The key point to me is that all five players on Nova can dribble and shoot... What's sad is that these are pretty basic basketball skills that we seem to lack. They seem like bare-minimum things that a D1 recruit should be able to do. Or at least taught to do with the proper training..
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Post by s4hoyas on Apr 4, 2018 9:34:15 GMT -5
"Five blinking lights"...been saying this for 20+ years...I take no personal credit, but evidently Jay Wright understands this philosophy, and you can see it in his teams...5 guys on the court at the same time who can do essentially everything (dribble, pass, handle, shoot, rebound their position and defend)...its no wonder that they produce the best offensive team in the country...and, of course, they buy in and play with passion...
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 4, 2018 12:35:57 GMT -5
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Post by njhoya78 on Apr 5, 2018 14:24:23 GMT -5
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