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Post by Elvado on Mar 18, 2018 7:39:46 GMT -5
Announced it will be dropping all references to Knights and Crusades. Ridiculous. The race to be the most politically correct can never be won.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 18, 2018 8:25:14 GMT -5
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 18, 2018 9:12:49 GMT -5
Announced it will be dropping all references to Knights and Crusades. Ridiculous. The race to be the most politically correct can never be won. The academic myopia of some Jesuit schools is baffling. No room for Knights at Holy Cross? Tell it to these Catholics: "The 13,500 Knights and Dames of the Order of Malta remain true to its inspiring principles, summarized in the motto Tuitio Fidei et Obsequium Pauperum – nurturing, witnessing and protecting the faith and serving the poor and the sick – which become reality through humanitarian projects and social assistance in 120 countries." www.orderofmalta.int/sovereign-order-of-malta/knights-of-malta/
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Post by Elvado on Mar 18, 2018 10:04:43 GMT -5
Announced it will be dropping all references to Knights and Crusades. Ridiculous. The race to be the most politically correct can never be won. The academic myopia of some Jesuit schools is baffling. No room for Knights at Holy Cross? Tell it to these Catholics: "The 13,500 Knights and Dames of the Order of Malta remain true to its inspiring principles, summarized in the motto Tuitio Fidei et Obsequium Pauperum – nurturing, witnessing and protecting the faith and serving the poor and the sick – which become reality through humanitarian projects and social assistance in 120 countries." www.orderofmalta.int/sovereign-order-of-malta/knights-of-malta/But if it makes the touchy feely snowflake crowd feel better, maybe they should just be called the “Caring Concerned Progressives of Malta”...
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Post by C86 on Mar 18, 2018 20:37:21 GMT -5
This sounds like Holy Cross copied the playbook of the University of Illinois. The U of I dropped the image of Chief Illiniwek, but was able to retain the name Illini, which was way more important to the institution.
Also the Knights of Malta are an interesting organization. Alsthough they are a charitable organization today, they formerly were a very effective military order that fought the Ottoman Empire throughout the 16th Century for control of the Mediterranean. They lost their stronghold at Rhodes to the Ottomans, they withstood a horrific siege at Malta, and then provided part of the Papal/HRE fleet that won the decisive Battle of Lepanto.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Mar 18, 2018 20:44:31 GMT -5
This sounds like Holy Cross copied the playbook of the University of Illinois. The U of I dropped the image of Chief Illiniwek, but was able to retain the name Illini, which was way more important to the institution. Exactly how is this offensive, color and style issues notwithstanding?
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Post by RusskyHoya on Mar 19, 2018 13:33:33 GMT -5
This sounds like Holy Cross copied the playbook of the University of Illinois. The U of I dropped the image of Chief Illiniwek, but was able to retain the name Illini, which was way more important to the institution. Exactly how is this offensive, color and style issues notwithstanding? I mean, I could run a thought experiment in which a hypothetical Islamic university in the U.S. named its sports teams the Jihadis and used a fearsome-looking Saladin as its mascot... That would probably raise the hackles of a lot of folks... Anyway, I think the logic in this case is not the Knight in isolation - there were lots of non-Crusading knights through the ages - but the combination of the two. Crusading knights did lots of bad things - engaging in vast amounts of C hristian-on-Christian violence among them. Not exactly a glowing legacy. The Vikings, at least, paired their ultra-violence with elements of civilization that were advanced for their time!
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Post by hilltophoya on Mar 19, 2018 15:14:57 GMT -5
Marquette was 20+ years ahead of its time.
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Post by hoyarooter on Mar 19, 2018 20:09:22 GMT -5
This is absurd.
Of course, to a few of us, the Knights of Malta are best known for the stuff that dreams are made of.
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Post by Elvado on Mar 20, 2018 5:39:06 GMT -5
Don’t worry. If the progressive culture warriors get their way, all teams will be named for Care Bears...
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Post by TC on Mar 20, 2018 10:26:00 GMT -5
Announced it will be dropping all references to Knights and Crusades. Ridiculous. The race to be the most politically correct can never be won. Elvado in Holy Cross thread : Knights responsible for genocide shouldn't offend anyone. People are such PC snowflakes. Elvado in NCAA thread : ABC called Sister Jean of Loyola a mascot, ABC is disgusting and in a "continuing race to the bottom of good taste".
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Post by Elvado on Mar 20, 2018 10:42:51 GMT -5
Announced it will be dropping all references to Knights and Crusades. Ridiculous. The race to be the most politically correct can never be won. Elvado in Holy Cross thread : Knights responsible for genocide shouldn't offend anyone. People are such PC snowflakes. Elvado in NCAA thread : ABC called Sister Jean of Loyola a mascot, ABC is disgusting and in a "continuing race to the bottom of good taste". I notice in both instances you are okay with anti-Catholic positions. Trend or coincidence?
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Post by TC on Mar 20, 2018 11:10:05 GMT -5
I actually agree with snowflake NCAA thread Elvado in that people or groups of people should not be mascots because it's patronizing or offensive. UC Santa Cruz has it right, mascots should be fun.
The problem with calling Sister Jean a mascot is not that it is anti-Catholic, it's that it is patronizing to refer to a person as a mascot. If there's a bias there, it's not anti-Catholic, it's ageist. ABC probably would not make the same statement about a nun or a priest 40 years younger.
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Post by Elvado on Mar 20, 2018 13:11:47 GMT -5
I actually agree with snowflake NCAA thread Elvado in that people or groups of people should not be mascots because it's patronizing or offensive. UC Santa Cruz has it right, mascots should be fun. The problem with calling Sister Jean a mascot is not that it is anti-Catholic, it's that it is patronizing to refer to a person as a mascot. If there's a bias there, it's not anti-Catholic, it's ageist. ABC probably would not make the same statement about a nun or a priest 40 years younger. Fair enough. However, I think the media is much less circumspect about offending Catholics and Christians than other groups. Can’t prove it—just feel it.
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Post by C86 on Mar 20, 2018 16:52:07 GMT -5
For what it's worth, Holy Cross is fighting a better fight to save the name Crusaders than others. In 2000, Wheaton College outside Chicago (the alma mater of Billy Graham) changed from Crusaders to Thunder.
An aside, nicknames that are singular nouns are almost uniformly awful.
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 20, 2018 18:28:46 GMT -5
An overseas parochial school (Lutheran, Missouri Synod) was the Crusaders when I attended in the mid 1960s to early 1970s. Sometime in the early 1980s it changed from the Crusaders to the Dragons.
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