kbones17
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 1,186
|
Post by kbones17 on Apr 18, 2018 11:27:40 GMT -5
That's because he's not a PG. Just moving him out of the PG role will make him seem much improved. If Mac proves to be a competent ball handler Jagan should start next to Akinjo. If not I guess he will be thrown back into the backup PG and people will complain even though he's playing out of position. Completely agree. Jagan, off the ball with a new found pull up jumper could be extremely effective. This. I expect big things from Mosely next year. It was a transition year for him (and all of the JT3 recruited guys). I think playing alongside a real PG will really open up his game. He’s already the best transition finisher we have, and with someone penetrating and dishing he will find some creases to operate in the half court that weren’t there before. He does need to keep working on that jump shot, but I’m confident he can do it.
|
|
prhoya
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 23,158
|
Post by prhoya on Apr 18, 2018 12:49:45 GMT -5
Spot on. He was a steady, heady player. Rarely made a mistake and had Big John’s trust. I think Mosely can be just that. He makes too many mental mistakes to settle the team. If he can turn that around, then the team will benefit greatly.
|
|
DudeSlade
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
I got through the Esherick years. I can get through anything.
Posts: 1,209
|
Post by DudeSlade on Apr 18, 2018 13:21:37 GMT -5
I always saw Mosely as having potential to be a Jabril Trawick type. That gives him the ability to guard the 1-3, play off-ball but give a bit of ball-handling when needed, tough driving, smart, hard-nosed, and a bit of a utility tool. Would be great if his shot developed to be better than Trawick's was. If his shot gets better, he could definitely be the most improved.
If we really do lose Doc, I'd expect us to really only play 1 big most of the time (Govan, maybe Yurt7 if he is eligible) since some of our wings are pretty big/long (Pickett, Johnson, LeBlanc, Carter) so they can guard a 4 while allowing us to run, be more athletic on offense. I would expect then many situations where Mosely or Blair are the 3rd guard on the floor. If that's the case, Mosely could be the key player to pulling this all together for us due to his versatility in the guard/wing rotation. Nova always seems to have a guy like that.
While I'd love for Mosely to be our most improved, I'll be moderately disappointed if it's not Pickett or Blair. I really would like to see one or both of those guys make the leap to be the stars of the team with Govan. They both have the potential for it, I think. There are times watching them that I'm convinced Blair will become an absolute dead-eye shooter and Pickett will be a Greek Freak lite (better shooting, worse ball-handling). All will be dependent on how hard they work.
|
|
saxagael
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 6,765
|
Post by saxagael on Apr 18, 2018 13:43:25 GMT -5
I had forgotten about Mosely a bit. His game, particularly on the defensive side made big strides this past year. The last month or so his outside shot made an appearance and was going in. Mosely's ball handling wasn't the greatest, but it improved a bit over the year, but didn't pick up solid point skills. When PE was using press the last month or so Mosely was one of the guys that made that work well. The only glitch in the press was when the press was broken and the other team had the 3 in the front court (1 with ball, one nearby, and one cross court in the corner) the off ball defender (usually Mosely, Mulmore, Blair, or Johnson) absolutely didn't see the guy in the corner. That corner three shot always went in they were wide open and who ever the defender was looked really surprised that the ball was going into that corner and someone was there. Other than that the press worked really well (I really hope that wide open corner guy doesn't happen again this year). I like DudeSlade comment about Mosely as a Trawick, but Mosely doesn't quite have the build nor height of Trawick, not the intnesity / mean streak (I look at Marcus Smart with the Celtics and wonder why Trawick isn't playing as Trawick is a slightly bigger Smart who leaves it all on the court).
|
|
SFHoya99
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 17,663
|
Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 18, 2018 21:06:46 GMT -5
Next year is going to be one of the rosters that will look deep at points on paper, but probably won't be. As much as we'd love every freshman to come in ready and every player to improve, not everyone will. In the best case scenario we have trouble finding minutes for everyone (except at center, where Jessie is playing big minutes no matter what!) and we can play the hot hand, run, run, run, etc.
But it's not likely to be that. Instead, we're going into next year with two players that we can be comfortable being Big East starter quality in Govan and Pickett. And I've seen enough senior and sophomore slumps to not be certain there.
After that, I'm hopeful that we can find a PG across Akinjo, Mac and an improved Mosely. Or that Leblanc can improve the D enough and Blair can improve enough on offense to offset some of the loss of Marcus. But there's a ton of question marks.
|
|
DanMcQ
Moderator
Posts: 30,302
|
Post by DanMcQ on Apr 19, 2018 5:36:08 GMT -5
|
|
Bigs"R"Us
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 6,640
|
Post by Bigs"R"Us on Apr 19, 2018 7:19:30 GMT -5
Walker definitely has a nose for the ball. I thought he was our best rebounder. I hope we find him minutes.
|
|
|
Post by professorhoya on Apr 19, 2018 8:57:33 GMT -5
I always saw Mosely as having potential to be a Jabril Trawick type. That gives him the ability to guard the 1-3, play off-ball but give a bit of ball-handling when needed, tough driving, smart, hard-nosed, and a bit of a utility tool. Would be great if his shot developed to be better than Trawick's was. If his shot gets better, he could definitely be the most improved. If we really do lose Doc, I'd expect us to really only play 1 big most of the time (Govan, maybe Yurt7 if he is eligible) since some of our wings are pretty big/long (Pickett, Johnson, LeBlanc, Carter) so they can guard a 4 while allowing us to run, be more athletic on offense. I would expect then many situations where Mosely or Blair are the 3rd guard on the floor. If that's the case, Mosely could be the key player to pulling this all together for us due to his versatility in the guard/wing rotation. Nova always seems to have a guy like that. While I'd love for Mosely to be our most improved, I'll be moderately disappointed if it's not Pickett or Blair. I really would like to see one or both of those guys make the leap to be the stars of the team with Govan. They both have the potential for it, I think. There are times watching them that I'm convinced Blair will become an absolute dead-eye shooter and Pickett will be a Greek Freak lite (better shooting, worse ball-handling). All will be dependent on how hard they work. Jabril is much taller 6-6 220 than Mosley 6-3 205. Now they both have a 6-9 wing span but Jabril still had a better standing reach. Frankly even being bigger Jabril was a much better dribble penetrative and passer and a better shooter. And with his size he could rebound and defend more positions. Jabril could play SF, SG or PG but from what I have seen Mosley can only really play SG. Really Jagan needs to be more PT a scorer and have a consistent perimeter shot but like Kaleb the improvement seems minimal in that area and am not sure it will ever happen.
|
|
jwp91
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 5,892
|
Post by jwp91 on Apr 19, 2018 12:27:28 GMT -5
I always saw Mosely as having potential to be a Jabril Trawick type. That gives him the ability to guard the 1-3, play off-ball but give a bit of ball-handling when needed, tough driving, smart, hard-nosed, and a bit of a utility tool. Would be great if his shot developed to be better than Trawick's was. If his shot gets better, he could definitely be the most improved. If we really do lose Doc, I'd expect us to really only play 1 big most of the time (Govan, maybe Yurt7 if he is eligible) since some of our wings are pretty big/long (Pickett, Johnson, LeBlanc, Carter) so they can guard a 4 while allowing us to run, be more athletic on offense. I would expect then many situations where Mosely or Blair are the 3rd guard on the floor. If that's the case, Mosely could be the key player to pulling this all together for us due to his versatility in the guard/wing rotation. Nova always seems to have a guy like that. While I'd love for Mosely to be our most improved, I'll be moderately disappointed if it's not Pickett or Blair. I really would like to see one or both of those guys make the leap to be the stars of the team with Govan. They both have the potential for it, I think. There are times watching them that I'm convinced Blair will become an absolute dead-eye shooter and Pickett will be a Greek Freak lite (better shooting, worse ball-handling). All will be dependent on how hard they work. Jabril is much taller 6-6 220 than Mosley 6-3 205. Now they both have a 6-9 wing span but Jabril still had a better standing reach. Frankly even being bigger Jabril was a much better dribble penetrative and passer and a better shooter. And with his size he could rebound and defend more positions. Jabril could play SF, SG or PG but from what I have seen Mosley can only really play SG. Really Jagan needs to be more PT a scorer and have a consistent perimeter shot but like Kaleb the improvement seems minimal in that area and am not sure it will ever happen. I agree. I think we over-look a bit the leadership and intangibles Jagan brings. He carried the team for a while during that Syracuse game last December. His confidence was contagious. He just needs to be put in a role where he can be successful and not have too much asked of him.
|
|
|
Post by veilside21 on Apr 19, 2018 12:35:23 GMT -5
We will find that out i think there will be times that we will have a lineup of Akinjo, Mac, Jagan, Pickett and Govan.
Which pat can use efficiently on both ends of the court. jagan just need to work on his defense and i hope Pickett does too. Govan i am also praying gets better defensively
|
|
MCIGuy
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Anyone here? What am I supposed to update?
Posts: 9,362
|
Post by MCIGuy on Apr 19, 2018 13:23:17 GMT -5
I always saw Mosely as having potential to be a Jabril Trawick type. That gives him the ability to guard the 1-3, play off-ball but give a bit of ball-handling when needed, tough driving, smart, hard-nosed, and a bit of a utility tool. Would be great if his shot developed to be better than Trawick's was. If his shot gets better, he could definitely be the most improved. If we really do lose Doc, I'd expect us to really only play 1 big most of the time (Govan, maybe Yurt7 if he is eligible) since some of our wings are pretty big/long (Pickett, Johnson, LeBlanc, Carter) so they can guard a 4 while allowing us to run, be more athletic on offense. I would expect then many situations where Mosely or Blair are the 3rd guard on the floor. If that's the case, Mosely could be the key player to pulling this all together for us due to his versatility in the guard/wing rotation. Nova always seems to have a guy like that. While I'd love for Mosely to be our most improved, I'll be moderately disappointed if it's not Pickett or Blair. I really would like to see one or both of those guys make the leap to be the stars of the team with Govan. They both have the potential for it, I think. There are times watching them that I'm convinced Blair will become an absolute dead-eye shooter and Pickett will be a Greek Freak lite (better shooting, worse ball-handling). All will be dependent on how hard they work. Jabril is much taller 6-6 220 than Mosley 6-3 205. Now they both have a 6-9 wing span but Jabril still had a better standing reach. Frankly even being bigger Jabril was a much better dribble penetrative and passer and a better shooter. And with his size he could rebound and defend more positions. Jabril could play SF, SG or PG but from what I have seen Mosley can only really play SG. Really Jagan needs to be more PT a scorer and have a consistent perimeter shot but like Kaleb the improvement seems minimal in that area and am not sure it will ever happen. Jabril wasn't 6-6. He was at best 6-5 which means he has Mosley by an inch. And Jabril could play point? No. He could help bring the ball up and he could at times drive and kick the ball out to a teammate. But he was not anywhere near a pg nor did anyone on this site ever consider him one. People on this site had no faith in his ballhandling until his junior season at the earliest. I can recall the years people spent bashing him, it wasn't until his final season that folks started falling in love with him, especially after he returned from his injury. I was a big fan of Jabril but some of this is coming across as revisionist spin. I guess absence makes the heart grow fonder. Can't wait for the day years from now when people get all misty thinking about the memory of Mosley's play on the floor.
|
|
MCIGuy
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Anyone here? What am I supposed to update?
Posts: 9,362
|
Post by MCIGuy on Apr 19, 2018 13:25:35 GMT -5
We will find that out i think there will be times that we will have a lineup of Akinjo, Mac, Jagan, Pickett and Govan. Which pat can use efficiently on both ends of the court. jagan just need to work on his defense and i hope Pickett does too. Govan i am also praying gets better defensively You may want to pray for Govan's return first.
|
|
swhoya
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 1,137
|
Post by swhoya on Apr 19, 2018 13:40:30 GMT -5
We will find that out i think there will be times that we will have a lineup of Akinjo, Mac, Jagan, Pickett and Govan. Which pat can use efficiently on both ends of the court. jagan just need to work on his defense and i hope Pickett does too. Govan i am also praying gets better defensively You may want to pray for Govan's return first. I hope you don't have a job that requires you to keep people's spirit or morale up...
|
|
|
Post by HometownHoya on Apr 19, 2018 13:49:47 GMT -5
I was about to go into this in Jahvon's thread on the recruiting board but I'll bring it over here:
I think Pat has to have the starting (or highest minute) line-up be Akinjo, Blair, Pickett, LeBlanc, Govan. That will give Akinjo plenty of scorers to dish to while keeping the floor spread out in his first year. Blair, Pickett, and Govan are great finishers and are capable enough to punish teams for over-rotating. LeBlanc can clean up, provide strong help defense, and be a glue guy. Even though Akinjo can work in traffic, it will help his transition to the college game to play with guys that are threats from deep so that defenses can't sag into the paint. Plus LeBlanc, Pickett, and Govan can all finish at/above the rim so he won't have to be solely dishing for 3pt shots.
While I'd love to see Akinjo and Mac play together (and we will), we'll be better off surrounding Akinjo with outside shooters then a guy that works best at the rim and in the paint (Mac). Additionally, I love the idea of Mac running the second team. He can create for himself (as well as teammates) which will be important when it's Mac, Moseley, Kaleb/Walker/Carter, Mourning on the court. Those guys are great effort guys but aren't the best at creating their own shot. Additionally, playing with Moseley will allow Mac to play some off-ball and some on-ball instead of being primarily off-ball with Akinjo.
I do think our most "fun" line-ups to watch as fans will be something like this: Akinjo, Mac, Pickett, Walker, LeBlanc. That will be a line-up that gets up and down, with a lot of play at (and above) the rim. Shooting won't be the best unless Akinjo and Mac adapt quickly but that line-up will be attacking the hole relentlessly. It won't be a pure 5-out offense but Walker and LeBlanc can both stretch their man to the 3pt line then crash for boards/dunks.
Clearly basketball isn't a sport like Hockey where the lines are set and those guys play solely together so we'll see a lot of different combinations (just look at NJHoya's +/- work to see the number of combinations used this year). There will be combinations that are more effective as the guys get to know each other, I trust Pat will use his OOC and practice time to tinker and find those right combos.
|
|
|
Post by professorhoya on Apr 19, 2018 14:23:49 GMT -5
Jabril is much taller 6-6 220 than Mosley 6-3 205. Now they both have a 6-9 wing span but Jabril still had a better standing reach. Frankly even being bigger Jabril was a much better dribble penetrative and passer and a better shooter. And with his size he could rebound and defend more positions. Jabril could play SF, SG or PG but from what I have seen Mosley can only really play SG. Really Jagan needs to be more PT a scorer and have a consistent perimeter shot but like Kaleb the improvement seems minimal in that area and am not sure it will ever happen. Jabril wasn't 6-6. He was at best 6-5 which means he has Mosley by an inch. And Jabril could play point? No. He could help bring the ball up and he could at times drive and kick the ball out to a teammate. But he was not anywhere near a pg nor did anyone on this site ever consider him one. People on this site had no faith in his ballhandling until his junior season at the earliest. I can recall the years people spent bashing him, it wasn't until his final season that folks started falling in love with him, especially after he returned from his injury. I was a big fan of Jabril but some of this is coming across as revisionist spin. I guess absence makes the heart grow fonder. Can't wait for the day years from now when people get all misty thinking about the memory of Mosley's play on the floor. If you are going to use Jabril low height (6-5) then you should use Mosley low height (6-2) which is still a signincant 3 inch difference. D league list him at 6-6 as do a lot of sites Either way Jabril could comfortably play small forward at the college level and I can't see Mosley playing small forward at 6-3 or 6-2.
|
|
prhoya
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Posts: 23,158
|
Post by prhoya on Apr 19, 2018 16:23:21 GMT -5
I was about to go into this in Jahvon's thread on the recruiting board but I'll bring it over here: I think Pat has to have the starting (or highest minute) line-up be Akinjo, Blair, Pickett, LeBlanc, Govan. That will give Akinjo plenty of scorers to dish to while keeping the floor spread out in his first year. Blair, Pickett, and Govan are great finishers and are capable enough to punish teams for over-rotating. LeBlanc can clean up, provide strong help defense, and be a glue guy. Even though Akinjo can work in traffic, it will help his transition to the college game to play with guys that are threats from deep so that defenses can't sag into the paint. Plus LeBlanc, Pickett, and Govan can all finish at/above the rim so he won't have to be solely dishing for 3pt shots. While I'd love to see Akinjo and Mac play together (and we will), we'll be better off surrounding Akinjo with outside shooters then a guy that works best at the rim and in the paint (Mac). Additionally, I love the idea of Mac running the second team. He can create for himself (as well as teammates) which will be important when it's Mac, Moseley, Kaleb/Walker/Carter, Mourning on the court. Those guys are great effort guys but aren't the best at creating their own shot. Additionally, playing with Moseley will allow Mac to play some off-ball and some on-ball instead of being primarily off-ball with Akinjo. I do think our most "fun" line-ups to watch as fans will be something like this: Akinjo, Mac, Pickett, Walker, LeBlanc. That will be a line-up that gets up and down, with a lot of play at (and above) the rim. Shooting won't be the best unless Akinjo and Mac adapt quickly but that line-up will be attacking the hole relentlessly. It won't be a pure 5-out offense but Walker and LeBlanc can both stretch their man to the 3pt line then crash for boards/dunks. Clearly basketball isn't a sport like Hockey where the lines are set and those guys play solely together so we'll see a lot of different combinations (just look at NJHoya's +/- work to see the number of combinations used this year). There will be combinations that are more effective as the guys get to know each other, I trust Pat will use his OOC and practice time to tinker and find those right combos. You're sleeping on Mac's perimeter shot. I would suggest reading some of the articles in his thread. (Shhhh... Don't forget Malinowski!)
|
|
|
Post by veilside21 on Apr 19, 2018 16:46:30 GMT -5
^^this is how we would find out how good of a coach ewing is. He has a lot of shooters this year. With the development of our freshmen last year. Pickett , Jagan, Blair. We also have Greg Malinowski, Mac and Carter.
|
|
MCIGuy
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Anyone here? What am I supposed to update?
Posts: 9,362
|
Post by MCIGuy on Apr 19, 2018 17:28:30 GMT -5
You may want to pray for Govan's return first. I hope you don't have a job that requires you to keep people's spirit or morale up... Ha. That's cute. For the record I think Govan will return but people are putting the cart before the horse with all of this talk about hoping his defense improves. Let's wait for confirmation of his return first before discussing what we hope he becomes better at for next season.
|
|
swhoya
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 1,137
|
Post by swhoya on Apr 19, 2018 17:41:37 GMT -5
I hope you don't have a job that requires you to keep people's spirit or morale up... Ha. That's cute. For the record I think Govan will return but people are putting the cart before the horse with all of this talk about hoping his defense improves. Let's wait for confirmation of his return first before discussing what we hope he becomes better at for next season. Fair enough. Just came across as perhaps knowing something the Rest of us don’t. Which, at least in my case, is not a darn thing. So I get easily spooked.
|
|
|
Post by HometownHoya on Apr 19, 2018 17:46:04 GMT -5
I was about to go into this in Jahvon's thread on the recruiting board but I'll bring it over here: I think Pat has to have the starting (or highest minute) line-up be Akinjo, Blair, Pickett, LeBlanc, Govan. That will give Akinjo plenty of scorers to dish to while keeping the floor spread out in his first year. Blair, Pickett, and Govan are great finishers and are capable enough to punish teams for over-rotating. LeBlanc can clean up, provide strong help defense, and be a glue guy. Even though Akinjo can work in traffic, it will help his transition to the college game to play with guys that are threats from deep so that defenses can't sag into the paint. Plus LeBlanc, Pickett, and Govan can all finish at/above the rim so he won't have to be solely dishing for 3pt shots. While I'd love to see Akinjo and Mac play together (and we will), we'll be better off surrounding Akinjo with outside shooters then a guy that works best at the rim and in the paint (Mac). Additionally, I love the idea of Mac running the second team. He can create for himself (as well as teammates) which will be important when it's Mac, Moseley, Kaleb/Walker/Carter, Mourning on the court. Those guys are great effort guys but aren't the best at creating their own shot. Additionally, playing with Moseley will allow Mac to play some off-ball and some on-ball instead of being primarily off-ball with Akinjo. I do think our most "fun" line-ups to watch as fans will be something like this: Akinjo, Mac, Pickett, Walker, LeBlanc. That will be a line-up that gets up and down, with a lot of play at (and above) the rim. Shooting won't be the best unless Akinjo and Mac adapt quickly but that line-up will be attacking the hole relentlessly. It won't be a pure 5-out offense but Walker and LeBlanc can both stretch their man to the 3pt line then crash for boards/dunks. Clearly basketball isn't a sport like Hockey where the lines are set and those guys play solely together so we'll see a lot of different combinations (just look at NJHoya's +/- work to see the number of combinations used this year). There will be combinations that are more effective as the guys get to know each other, I trust Pat will use his OOC and practice time to tinker and find those right combos. You're sleeping on Mac's perimeter shot. I would suggest reading some of the articles in his thread. (Shhhh... Don't forget Malinowski!) I keep forgetting Malinowski all over the place! He'll work well into Mac's lineup. Like veilside21 said, Coach is going to have a tough time managing all of these shooters. Based on last year he's definitely in tune with who is hot but will also let shooters play through slumps. For example, Pickett's minutes were handled great and he responded but every player is different. No way we are going 12 deep so it'll be interesting to see who rises to the top and who becomes eligible for a RS year.
|
|