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Post by madgesiq92 on Mar 8, 2018 20:14:35 GMT -5
Evaluating Ewing is somewhat difficult given the sample size and the state of the program when he took over. With that said, here are my 2 cents on his coaching and recruiting thus far. 1) Recruiting: Not sure how anyone can be upset with what he's done with recruiting so far. He inherited a struggling program with multiple open schollies in the Spring. He won a head to head with Maryland (and Broadus) for a Top 75 local kid, which is an area we have struggled in recent years. Pickett has so much potential and player development is something NBA assistants are responsible for. I look for a big leap from him in year 2. Blair looks like a 1 trick pony at this point but with better shot selection I could see a high 30s or low 40s 3PT FG% from him. Dickerson provided much need depth in the backcourt even if it took him 20+ games to figure it out. In the 2018 class to pull a top 75 kid in LeBlanc from the South is impressive, even with the Owens connection. He has the look of the player this defense has been missing since Trawick. A guy who can guard multiple positions and sets the tone. Carter and McClung aren't highly recruited but Mac at least will bring some excitement to the fan base and hopefully is a guard who can actually make a few plays. Obviously what he does this Spring to address the guard position will be critical to next year's success. The 2019 class is huge given the talent departure next year and will be a measuring stick for Ewing and the staff. Overall I think he's done an excellent job for a 1st year head coach given what he inherited. 2) Coaching. Offensively he has definitely freed this team from the doldrums of the Princeton offense. I thought he showed nice wrinkles throughout the year to pre-existing sets. He was creative in getting the ball to MD and JG in positions to score. He deserves some of the blame for the continued 2nd half struggles but the lack of a playmaking guard killed this team. Sometimes a player needs to just go get a bucket when things breakdown and this roster is void of such player. Also becomes much easier to take away post players late in games than it is to keep the ball out of a guards hands. I would expect this team to score plenty next year. Defensively I thought we would be better by the end of the season. There were simple things like downing a ball screen that show he's teaching the fundamentals but overall the guards especially just couldn't stay in front of anyone. And for all the good from JG on offense, his defense really struggles. He cannot defend a PNR to save his life. This is the area where LeBlanc will be so important next year and why it may be tough to keep him off the floor. This is the area I hope to see the most improvement from Year 1 to Year 2. These thoughts are jumbled together but overall I think his 1st year was solid. He inherited much less talent than 3 did so this will take longer than last go around. Next year is huge for the momentum of the program. If they make the tournament it would give him some results to sell to the recruits and show he has the ability to get it done. Case in point: when we get down late (think 8-10 points with 5 min to go), we will actually press now! It used to infuriate me watching JTIII's teams sit back in the same situation and just let the other team bleed 25-30 seconds off the clock every possession. Georgetown's "press" was the least effective form of defense I have ever seen a Hoya team play. The team may as well have walked over to the bench and let the opponent play 5 on 0. At least then some of the "presses" would have ended up in dunks instead of wide open 3s like last night. If you think one of the highlights of the season was watching Georgetown's press, we were watching something completely different. If KenPom broke down defensive efficiency into subcategories that included pressing, our press efficiency ranking would have been the same as our out of conference schedule. Guys handle the ball too well now for a press to be anything more than an occasional gimmick to speed up play of opponent. Ask Shaka Smart.
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Post by jwp91 on Mar 8, 2018 20:38:47 GMT -5
They talked on the telecast last night about how our press was a change of pace vs. an attempt to create turnovers. I think Rafferty shared that PE acknowledged he didn’t have the players to press for turnovers.
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Post by KHoyaNYC on Mar 8, 2018 20:57:35 GMT -5
I don’t take issue with people evaluating Ewing and pointing out areas for improvement next season. But the title of this thread is ridiculous.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Mar 8, 2018 21:31:23 GMT -5
There's plenty of evidence he's a decent coach. The team got noticeably better over the course of the season, and people like Pickett showed pretty good development. We just don't have a point guard. That's not a coaching issue. That's a recruiting thing
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Mar 8, 2018 21:41:25 GMT -5
It's posts like this that make it difficult to come on this board sometimes...People be posting for attention
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Post by centercourt400s on Mar 8, 2018 22:06:13 GMT -5
I don’t take issue with people evaluating Ewing and pointing out areas for improvement next season. But the title of this thread is ridiculous. Agreed 100%. Discussion is fine but change the title or lock the thread. The author should be ashamed to have used such an asinine title. Either that or he's trolled the whole board, which is probably more likely.
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Post by mdtd on Mar 8, 2018 22:07:54 GMT -5
First of all I normally bypass such threads with such titles. Given that the year is over I decided I read a few posts in this thread. If those who think that Coach E can't coach then I would have to wonder about their knowledge of the GAME. I've seen the best, Wooden, McGuire, Smith, Attles, Riley, ... etc make mistakes every now and then. I've heard coach Smith admit he should not have stalled so early to lose in a Championship game (by the way that was in the second half of the game). To see players at GU finally show a measure of progressive development that we have been missing for sometime to me is refreshing. And to talk about recruiting this coach have basically one class and that was on short notice. And if the NCAA does not come down on some of these schools and their practices or if rules do not change in some fashion the recruiting part still may have some disadvantages because we try to do it the clean way. I'm sorry to say a lot of the schools that are getting top recruits because they are are paying. This is nothing new but it has gotten much worse in the last 5 - 10 year, for me I've been saying this for years, some acquaintances I know would often talk about players they know at some of these top schools and the perks they were getting. I saw Coach E simplify his thinking and sets to accommodate his personnel, I would hope that these knowledgeable ones noticed that. I'm not sure what is being related to say adjustments are not made. He tried zone in a few instances and did not bode well for his group and why would a coach attempt to run multiple sets for a given player if the player has difficulties in scoring, yes at the beginning of the game for certain players you may do that to see if you may get something out of them for the night. In many second halves (coming from the locker room) what I saw were certain players would come out with a passive attitude than in the first, now cuts, passes, drives become tentative. That is not the coach, that is players learning their footing in the game. We've had freshmen with more of an attack attitude than a few guys on the roster (these ones were recruited before this coach came here). Let's see what happens if he can get a few of the players that fits his style. Just like the last game we basically had 2 guys playing offensively against 5, the other 3 combinations were very tentative. I sure the younger guys will be more aggressive the next time around. And defensively we have known for the last few years we were somewhat deficient in this area with some of our players that was here before Coach got here. But I see encouragement from especially some of our younger guys and I saw a huge improvement in Derrickson. Again I'm not sure what adjustments we are expecting at this time. I think you will see more adjusting as coach get his like minded players. As let's think about how Ponds scored quite a few on Duke and various other teams. Does that mean Coach K got out coached especially in the second half. Usually threads such as this has a certain agenda, what that agenda is I will leave that to others. As all GOOD coaches would say, You need talent to win and I think we are slowly turning the ship, laying a foundation to head in that winning direction. And if we are lucky and get that special type player(s) then the ship will be steaming forward. I probably will not be back to this thread anytime soon. Every single thing that you said is correct.
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Post by DanMcQ on Mar 8, 2018 22:34:16 GMT -5
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 8, 2018 23:43:51 GMT -5
While I agree the publicity is good, this is just a badly written column, and it's clear the author knows almost nothing about college basketball (for example, raising the NIT as a possibility for this team). There are plenty of substantive things that can be written positively about what Ewing did this year (and I am sure they will be, just not in the NY Post), but quotes from Van Gundy and Mullin and the other fluff in this article aren't terribly illuminating. For those who like to try to pounce on anything, let me be clear: I just think this is a poorly written column, and it isn't meant as a commentary on Ewing. That said, it's positive press, and recruits and their parents will likely read it, so that's a plus.
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Post by tashoya on Mar 8, 2018 23:49:48 GMT -5
First of all I normally bypass such threads with such titles. Given that the year is over I decided I read a few posts in this thread. If those who think that Coach E can't coach then I would have to wonder about their knowledge of the GAME. I've seen the best, Wooden, McGuire, Smith, Attles, Riley, ... etc make mistakes every now and then. I've heard coach Smith admit he should not have stalled so early to lose in a Championship game (by the way that was in the second half of the game). To see players at GU finally show a measure of progressive development that we have been missing for sometime to me is refreshing. And to talk about recruiting this coach have basically one class and that was on short notice. And if the NCAA does not come down on some of these schools and their practices or if rules do not change in some fashion the recruiting part still may have some disadvantages because we try to do it the clean way. I'm sorry to say a lot of the schools that are getting top recruits because they are are paying. This is nothing new but it has gotten much worse in the last 5 - 10 year, for me I've been saying this for years, some acquaintances I know would often talk about players they know at some of these top schools and the perks they were getting. I saw Coach E simplify his thinking and sets to accommodate his personnel, I would hope that these knowledgeable ones noticed that. I'm not sure what is being related to say adjustments are not made. He tried zone in a few instances and did not bode well for his group and why would a coach attempt to run multiple sets for a given player if the player has difficulties in scoring, yes at the beginning of the game for certain players you may do that to see if you may get something out of them for the night. In many second halves (coming from the locker room) what I saw were certain players would come out with a passive attitude than in the first, now cuts, passes, drives become tentative. That is not the coach, that is players learning their footing in the game. We've had freshmen with more of an attack attitude than a few guys on the roster (these ones were recruited before this coach came here). Let's see what happens if he can get a few of the players that fits his style. Just like the last game we basically had 2 guys playing offensively against 5, the other 3 combinations were very tentative. I sure the younger guys will be more aggressive the next time around. And defensively we have known for the last few years we were somewhat deficient in this area with some of our players that was here before Coach got here. But I see encouragement from especially some of our younger guys and I saw a huge improvement in Derrickson. Again I'm not sure what adjustments we are expecting at this time. I think you will see more adjusting as coach get his like minded players. As let's think about how Ponds scored quite a few on Duke and various other teams. Does that mean Coach K got out coached especially in the second half. Usually threads such as this has a certain agenda, what that agenda is I will leave that to others. As all GOOD coaches would say, You need talent to win and I think we are slowly turning the ship, laying a foundation to head in that winning direction. And if we are lucky and get that special type player(s) then the ship will be steaming forward. I probably will not be back to this thread anytime soon. Keep in mind, some people here were saying Mullin should be fired and now, all of a sudden, he's a good coach because Shamorie has been playing out of his mind. Go figure. Remember Mullin his first year attempting to coach the first half and then not even watching the second toward the end of that season? He'd plant his ass on the scorer's table and just hang out as if he'd bought tickets. His team was going nowhere and so he checked out. But he's all good now that Ponds had 5 or 6 good games. It's not truthful to say that it's fair game to evaluate Patrick's coaching after his first year as HC because, as a coach, he hasn't had a year. That's disingenuous. Give him a full recruiting cycle and a full year with his guys and then start something like this with a less ridiculous/stupid thread title. Those wildly disappointed with this year either weren't watching or had really misguided expectations going in. As stated in the quoted post, we've seen more individual improvement this season than in any in recent history. There was Bradley Hayes/Henry Sims type stuff going on with multiple guys. I'm not ready to say that that's Patrick's doing because, obviously, there's no track record. It could be coincidental and nearly entirely on the guys themselves. I do know that Marcus changed his approach after Coach got on him with that fade away against 3 defenders that some here were butt hurt about. I think that's coaching, no? Regardless, without seeing more, I give most of the credit to the guys for their hard work. As for Patrick, we don't yet know because we haven't seen much. But I do know that he's not babying guys. Everyone can get pulled for being a bonehead. This is a positive development and something I want to see in a coach. Also, not for nothing, I have no doubt that our coach could rip his suit jacket in half without a problem if he was a media whore unlike that pansy down at UNC that is, according to him and the NCAA, entirely unaware of anything that happens with his kids or in his program that he's supposedly leading.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Mar 8, 2018 23:59:28 GMT -5
Case in point: when we get down late (think 8-10 points with 5 min to go), we will actually press now! It used to infuriate me watching JTIII's teams sit back in the same situation and just let the other team bleed 25-30 seconds off the clock every possession. Georgetown's "press" was the least effective form of defense I have ever seen a Hoya team play. The team may as well have walked over to the bench and let the opponent play 5 on 0. At least then some of the "presses" would have ended up in dunks instead of wide open 3s like last night. If you think one of the highlights of the season was watching Georgetown's press, we were watching something completely different. If KenPom broke down defensive efficiency into subcategories that included pressing, our press efficiency ranking would have been the same as our out of conference schedule. Guys handle the ball too well now for a press to be anything more than an occasional gimmick to speed up play of opponent. Ask Shaka Smart. Agree that you can't press at the higher levels non-stop and have it be effective a la Havoc, but that's not what I'm saying at all. We used it in spots where we had to, not because we wanted to. And I'm by no means saying it was a great press, but did you really prefer JT3's sit back and watch the clock go to zero strategy over that? If you do, then we'll just have to disagree about its usage in the right situation.
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Post by tashoya on Mar 9, 2018 0:01:52 GMT -5
On a related note, what would a great coach do, with our current personnel, to keep Ponds from lighting us up either by scoring or dishing down low? There's no guard that can lock him up and we don't have good interior defense or a plus rim protector. That's not a coaching issue for a guy that didn't get to do much recruiting. That's just a huge problem.
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Post by EtomicB on Mar 9, 2018 0:21:31 GMT -5
On a related note, what would a great coach do, with our current personnel, to keep Ponds from lighting us up either by scoring or dishing down low? There's no guard that can lock him up and we don't have good interior defense or a plus rim protector. That's not a coaching issue for a guy that didn't get to do much recruiting. That's just a huge problem. It’s interesting to me how many posters talk about defense as an individual endeavor, to me defense has to be played as a unit to be effective.. Very few individuals can “ lock” Ponds up but teams can do an effective job.. In my view this team was very disconnected defensively..
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Post by bamahoya11 on Mar 9, 2018 0:39:09 GMT -5
Case in point: when we get down late (think 8-10 points with 5 min to go), we will actually press now! It used to infuriate me watching JTIII's teams sit back in the same situation and just let the other team bleed 25-30 seconds off the clock every possession. Georgetown's "press" was the least effective form of defense I have ever seen a Hoya team play. The team may as well have walked over to the bench and let the opponent play 5 on 0. At least then some of the "presses" would have ended up in dunks instead of wide open 3s like last night. If you think one of the highlights of the season was watching Georgetown's press, we were watching something completely different. If KenPom broke down defensive efficiency into subcategories that included pressing, our press efficiency ranking would have been the same as our out of conference schedule. Guys handle the ball too well now for a press to be anything more than an occasional gimmick to speed up play of opponent. Ask Shaka Smart. I have defended Ewing elsewhere in the thread, but I do write to join you entirely in your dislike of our "press." It is TERRIBLE to watch, and it makes me sad, sad enough to use air quotes when I describe it. The press is all about speed and discipline. Teams that press really well (West Virginia, Arkansas, at times Louisville under Pitino) practice it, learn it, and emphasize it. It's not a "set defense" to run every now and then to see if it causes a turnover. It's an identity. It's also so difficult to do that few teams run it with any regularity at all. We aren't built to press. We aren't fast enough to set more than one trap. One good pass and you're out of the press. We also don't have bigs that are athletic enough to hang back and defend after a good pass out of the trap. Instead we end up with a wide open three or an easy dunk or layup. Our opponent's choice. I agree with many of the other positive thoughts in this thread on Ewing, but I loathe that press. I also do love good press defense. I first started watching college basketball going to UAB games coached by Mike Anderson (now at Arkansas and one of the best teachers of the press). UAB pressed Kentucky right out of the dance one year. Georgetown's press just won't do that unless we get different players and build around that, or at least recruit role players for a press-type setup we could run situationally. Just plugging our general players into a press won't work. I don't fault Ewing for trying it. It's not like any of our other defenses were that effective. But even so, the press was uniquely tough to watch for me. I don't even care if the tv announcers like it. It's not a good system for us.
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Post by ewingitrust on Mar 9, 2018 1:07:54 GMT -5
The simple answer is yes. I think Ewing deserves under after next season to be getting letter grades on his performance. Assuming Govan and Derrickson stay...i think we're another2018 guard away to climbing the Big East ladder. The conference is ripe for the taking..schools above us are losing key pieces.
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Post by sleepy on Mar 9, 2018 7:41:55 GMT -5
Sleepy, you are wrong. JT III's defenses were really good. Sometimes in the top 10, even adjusted for pace. Just in the last few years he recruited defensive minded players, Whittington, Porter, Hopkins, Trawick, Sims, K. Johnson, Moses, Agau (hard to argue that Monroe, Darrickson, Govan, Peak, Copeland, Hayes were only offensive players). I will grant you DSR, Cameron, Pryor, Josh Smith, White and I am sure I am forgetting someone. Point is that your statement is factually wrong. JTIII recruited good/great defenders/athletes and his defenses were good. Please know that I wanted JTIII fired. Not a JT III defender. Just can't take the false statement that "staff recruited players with great talent on the offensive side of the ball without doing much on the D End." There is almost no evidence to back that up. Sleey smh lol As usual another smart ass remark. Every day you prove you know far less about the game than those voices in your head tell you.Just a suggestion I'd try to limit shaking your head. They may go away.
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Post by sleepy on Mar 9, 2018 8:08:45 GMT -5
Georgetown's "press" was the least effective form of defense I have ever seen a Hoya team play. The team may as well have walked over to the bench and let the opponent play 5 on 0. At least then some of the "presses" would have ended up in dunks instead of wide open 3s like last night. If you think one of the highlights of the season was watching Georgetown's press, we were watching something completely different. If KenPom broke down defensive efficiency into subcategories that included pressing, our press efficiency ranking would have been the same as our out of conference schedule. Guys handle the ball too well now for a press to be anything more than an occasional gimmick to speed up play of opponent. Ask Shaka Smart. Agree that you can't press at the higher levels non-stop and have it be effective a la Havoc, but that's not what I'm saying at all. We used it in spots where we had to, not because we wanted to. And I'm by no means saying it was a great press, but did you really prefer JT3's sit back and watch the clock go to zero strategy over that? If you do, then we'll just have to disagree about its usage in the right situation. The Press had some success over the season when used against certain opposing team substitutions in the back court.Most of the time it was used to slow pace. The weak side rotation back was pathetic never mind that when you have Govan anchoring the back end you're just daring them to take the ball to basket which inevitably caused rotations opening up wide open 3s. Actually worked in speeding St Johns up and forcing a couple of turnovers. If LeBlanc has some legitimate quick hops he might be a better replacement for Derrickson on the press.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Mar 9, 2018 9:43:17 GMT -5
As usual another smart ass remark. Every day you prove you know far less about the game than those voices in your head tell you.Just a suggestion I'd try to limit shaking your head. They may go away. Guilt and reverse psychology won't work here. Haha. You just made your own statement LMAO! SMH! LOL! HAHAHA. I'm sleepy lol.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Mar 9, 2018 9:44:15 GMT -5
The simple answer is yes. I think Ewing deserves under after next season to be getting letter grades on his performance. Assuming Govan and Derrickson stay...i think we're another2018 guard away to climbing the Big East ladder. The conference is ripe for the taking..schools above us are losing key pieces. And a big man.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Mar 9, 2018 9:46:44 GMT -5
First of all I normally bypass such threads with such titles. Given that the year is over I decided I read a few posts in this thread. If those who think that Coach E can't coach then I would have to wonder about their knowledge of the GAME. I've seen the best, Wooden, McGuire, Smith, Attles, Riley, ... etc make mistakes every now and then. I've heard coach Smith admit he should not have stalled so early to lose in a Championship game (by the way that was in the second half of the game). To see players at GU finally show a measure of progressive development that we have been missing for sometime to me is refreshing. And to talk about recruiting this coach have basically one class and that was on short notice. And if the NCAA does not come down on some of these schools and their practices or if rules do not change in some fashion the recruiting part still may have some disadvantages because we try to do it the clean way. I'm sorry to say a lot of the schools that are getting top recruits because they are are paying. This is nothing new but it has gotten much worse in the last 5 - 10 year, for me I've been saying this for years, some acquaintances I know would often talk about players they know at some of these top schools and the perks they were getting. I saw Coach E simplify his thinking and sets to accommodate his personnel, I would hope that these knowledgeable ones noticed that. I'm not sure what is being related to say adjustments are not made. He tried zone in a few instances and did not bode well for his group and why would a coach attempt to run multiple sets for a given player if the player has difficulties in scoring, yes at the beginning of the game for certain players you may do that to see if you may get something out of them for the night. In many second halves (coming from the locker room) what I saw were certain players would come out with a passive attitude than in the first, now cuts, passes, drives become tentative. That is not the coach, that is players learning their footing in the game. We've had freshmen with more of an attack attitude than a few guys on the roster (these ones were recruited before this coach came here). Let's see what happens if he can get a few of the players that fits his style. Just like the last game we basically had 2 guys playing offensively against 5, the other 3 combinations were very tentative. I sure the younger guys will be more aggressive the next time around. And defensively we have known for the last few years we were somewhat deficient in this area with some of our players that was here before Coach got here. But I see encouragement from especially some of our younger guys and I saw a huge improvement in Derrickson. Again I'm not sure what adjustments we are expecting at this time. I think you will see more adjusting as coach get his like minded players. As let's think about how Ponds scored quite a few on Duke and various other teams. Does that mean Coach K got out coached especially in the second half. Usually threads such as this has a certain agenda, what that agenda is I will leave that to others. As all GOOD coaches would say, You need talent to win and I think we are slowly turning the ship, laying a foundation to head in that winning direction. And if we are lucky and get that special type player(s) then the ship will be steaming forward. I probably will not be back to this thread anytime soon. Keep in mind, some people here were saying Mullin should be fired and now, all of a sudden, he's a good coach because Shamorie has been playing out of his mind. Go figure. Remember Mullin his first year attempting to coach the first half and then not even watching the second toward the end of that season? He'd plant his ass on the scorer's table and just hang out as if he'd bought tickets. His team was going nowhere and so he checked out. But he's all good now that Ponds had 5 or 6 good games. It's not truthful to say that it's fair game to evaluate Patrick's coaching after his first year as HC because, as a coach, he hasn't had a year. That's disingenuous. Give him a full recruiting cycle and a full year with his guys and then start something like this with a less ridiculous/stupid thread title. Those wildly disappointed with this year either weren't watching or had really misguided expectations going in. As stated in the quoted post, we've seen more individual improvement this season than in any in recent history. There was Bradley Hayes/Henry Sims type stuff going on with multiple guys. I'm not ready to say that that's Patrick's doing because, obviously, there's no track record. It could be coincidental and nearly entirely on the guys themselves. I do know that Marcus changed his approach after Coach got on him with that fade away against 3 defenders that some here were butt hurt about. I think that's coaching, no? Regardless, without seeing more, I give most of the credit to the guys for their hard work. As for Patrick, we don't yet know because we haven't seen much. But I do know that he's not babying guys. Everyone can get pulled for being a bonehead. This is a positive development and something I want to see in a coach. Also, not for nothing, I have no doubt that our coach could rip his suit jacket in half without a problem if he was a media whore unlike that pansy down at UNC that is, according to him and the NCAA, entirely unaware of anything that happens with his kids or in his program that he's supposedly leading. McClung running the point will change this and of course another point guard. Smart point guards make their coaches look so good. Look at Jalen Brunson. Hahaha.
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