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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 11, 2018 11:00:13 GMT -5
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jan 11, 2018 11:10:12 GMT -5
I really want to see how Jessie rebounds against an elite rebounder like Delgado. Jessie should be able to get him in foul trouble. Carrington could be our undoing though if he stays hot. Gotta get rid of the stupid lazy passes that result in 6-8 turnovers a game.
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Post by thedragon on Jan 11, 2018 11:29:48 GMT -5
I actually think Seton Hall might be a better matchup than it appears on paper. Jesse and to a lesser extent MD, have seen doubles and sometimes triples on the block when Teams cant matchup on the interior. Additionally, opponents attempt to draw them out to the perimeter on D with 3 point shooting bigs. Seton Hall likely presents neither issue. Delgado will probably be left iso'd on the paint defense. And he isnt a threat from 3. While none of this will prevent our guards and wings getting shredded by Carrington and Desi, I do think that getting some honest matchups in the post, that may allow us to play a little more inside out, will be beneficial to the O. Having said all that, I have zero doubt that Willard will press A LOT. So we may not protect the ball enough to ever setup our halfcourt offense.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 11, 2018 11:35:28 GMT -5
I actually think Seton Hall might be a better matchup than it appears on paper. Jesse and to a lesser extent MD, have seen doubles and sometimes triples on the block when Teams cant matchup on the interior. Additionally, opponents attempt to draw them out to the perimeter on D with 3 point shooting bigs. Seton Hall likely presents neither issue. Delgado will probably be left iso'd on the paint defense. And he isnt a threat from 3. While none of this will prevent our guards and wings getting shredded by Carrington and Desi, I do think that getting some honest matchups in the post, that may allow us to play a little more inside out, will be beneficial to the O. Having said all that, I have zero doubt that Willard will press A LOT. So we may not protect the ball enough to ever setup our halfcourt offense. I think it's pretty tough simply because they are good at offense. We're going to be better against Good D / Bad O teams than the reverse, simply because even against bad defenses, there will be a stretch or two where we shoot ourselves in the foot. If we play a team where neither can stop anyone, we'll stop ourselves more than them. Oh, and they are just better than us.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 11, 2018 11:45:53 GMT -5
What Seton Hall Does Badly:
- Free throws! While we are 10th nationally shooting 78.2%, Seton Hall is shooting 66.9% (they are shooting better in the Big East, but still 10th in the conference). They do get to the line a fair amount, but not as much as we do.
- Turnovers - While not as bad as Georgetown (306 of 351), Seton Hall turns it over a fair amount too (200 of 351). They are not particularly good at forcing turnovers either (209 of 351). They are 75th in blocks, but 193rd in steals.
- Defensive Rebounding: They are 200th nationally, so not above average, though Delgado is an excellent rebounder.
What Seton Hall Does Well:
- Efficient offense. Seton Hall is a pretty efficient team. They shoot 52.7% on twos, and 37.6% on threes. While these numbers aren't as good as Creighton, they are still solid.
- Rebounding: They excel at offensive rebounds - 13th best in the country.
- Defense: Seton Hall's defense is not outstanding but very solid - opponents shoot okay against them but not great.
Seton Hall only takes 27% of their shots from three, so we shouldn't expect them to start bombing them from deep - it could weigh in favor of some zone defense. BUT, Seton Hall has a few threats from three (see below), so if we start giving open threes, they could bury us.
While perhaps not a strong as Creighton, Seton Hall still has a lot of guys who can shoot, and if we leave them open, we are going to suffer. Desi Rodriguez is shooting 56.9% from two, and 34.9% from three. Delgado is a bit over 50% from two, and gets to the line a lot (watch out Jesse Govan). Carrington is almost at 40% from three, and Myles Powell is shooting 43.1% from three (and over 50% in Big East play). While he gets less playing time, senior Ismael Sanogo is shooting well from two as well (60%).
Really, the only Seton Hall starter who is not a big offensive threat is Michael Nzei. Otherwise, they've got 4 guys who can shoot. Given our often porous (or out of position defense), it's going to take a superb effort to pull this one out. Both Govan and Delgado get to the line at similar rates; thus it'll be interesting to see whether one of them picks up an advantage in this game.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 11, 2018 11:51:50 GMT -5
I really want to see how Jessie rebounds against an elite rebounder like Delgado. Jessie should be able to get him in foul trouble. Carrington could be our undoing though if he stays hot. Gotta get rid of the stupid lazy passes that result in 6-8 turnovers a game. Yeah man, if our guards bang the ball inside to Jessie from the start of the game he can easily get Delgado in foul trouble. Jessie had 27 points vs. Seton Hall February 17, 2016, he also had 7 rebounds, 2 steals & 2 blocked shots Delgado in 36 mins. had 11 rebounds & only 7 points, one blocked shot, so he'll be looking to score more in this game. Def have to watch Carrington. If the Hoyas attack and keep the ball inside they won't have to worry about playing around/passing the ball around the perimeter all the time. lol.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 19:27:03 GMT -5
Angel Delgado just named to the Wooden Award midseason top 25 (deservedly, I'd say)... as if Jessie needed any more fuel to get him juiced for this matchup.
Any upset starts there. Jessie has to be at least Delgado's equal on Saturday - and most likely outplay him - in order for us to win.
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Post by ewingitrust on Jan 12, 2018 7:40:18 GMT -5
Govan/MD 35 pts/20 rebs combined Mosley/Blair/Pickett/Johnson...one or 2 in double figures Under 18 Turnovers
We win...and the home game against Nova becomes truly intriguing.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 12, 2018 8:02:11 GMT -5
15 turnovers with either Johnson or Pickett with12 points should do it.
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Post by calhoya on Jan 12, 2018 8:15:31 GMT -5
Expecting a loss, possibly a bad one against a good team coming off an embarrassing loss, but more important is how Govan and MD play against a quality inside game from SH. If they show well, it only enhances Ewing's reputation among recruits as to how he develops bigs.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 12, 2018 8:29:48 GMT -5
Expecting a loss, possibly a bad one against a good team coming off an embarrassing loss, but more important is how Govan and MD play against a quality inside game from SH. If they show well, it only enhances Ewing's reputation among recruits as to how he develops bigs. Cancer post. lol. Would you think like this going into a game as a player or coach? Hmmm..
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 12, 2018 8:30:38 GMT -5
One game at a time!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 8:42:35 GMT -5
Expecting a loss, possibly a bad one against a good team coming off an embarrassing loss, but more important is how Govan and MD play against a quality inside game from SH. If they show well, it only enhances Ewing's reputation among recruits as to how he develops bigs. Cancer post. lol. Would you think like this going into a game as a player or coach? Hmmm.. The Hoyas are playing a road game in which they will be the underdog. It is realistic (not "cancer") to expect a loss. If we pull off an upset, that would be awesome. But don't crap on someone for making a reasonable, rational assessment of how they see this game playing out. We're all fans here - that's why we're here. But that doesn't mean we all have to be blindly optimistic together.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 12, 2018 8:56:46 GMT -5
Cancer post. lol. Would you think like this going into a game as a player or coach? Hmmm.. The Hoyas are playing a road game in which they will be the underdog. It is realistic (not "cancer") to expect a loss. If we pull off an upset, that would be awesome. But don't crap on someone for making a reasonable, rational assessment of how they see this game playing out. We're all fans here - that's why we're here. But that doesn't mean we all have to be blindly optimistic together. I respectfully and jokingly asked a question and you still get into your feelings. I hate to see if I assumed otherwise. LOL! WOW. Soft. As if I didn't know this. Again, if you were a player or a coach would you think like this. As a player or coach I wouldn't doubt myself or my team. There are no if's, but or nor's. I'm going into this game saying to myself, "I'm going to play as hard as I can and let the chips fall where they may." Period. Thinking otherwise is like a "cancer." I'm a very positive person. This just my opinion, so respect it. Thanks. I didn't crap on anyone. See it's these assumptions that go over the top because you have a people trying to take up for other people "assuming" otherwise. This is just childish and stupid. Let that man speak his mind for himself not you @cam. My statement is reasonable as well. If you all want to be optimistic that's fine, but as I stated thinking negative is like a cancer. So be it. Stop getting in your feelings. I think some of you have some serious issues. DanMcQ these assumptions are ridiculous. Btw, I think it's quite evident we are all fans here. Some good ones, some bad ones. Hahaha.
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Post by bostonfan on Jan 12, 2018 9:01:41 GMT -5
Govan/MD 35 pts/20 rebs combined Mosley/Blair/Pickett/Johnson...one or 2 in double figures Under 18 Turnovers We win...and the home game against Nova becomes truly intriguing. Not sure it is a good thing that we are hoping we can keep our turnovers under 18!!! Good teams turn the ball over less than 10 times a game and until the Hoyas can get to that level on a consistent level, they are going to struggle often. All that being said, I think they can give Seton Hall a good game, if they can limit the turnovers a little, maybe down to 10-12, and shoot a good percentage from three. I think Jessie and Marcus both will play well, although I expect Delgado to have a big game also. I have less confidence against Nova, not only is Nova a better team than Seton Hall, but the style they play is going to be a bad match up for the Hoyas.
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Post by calhoya on Jan 12, 2018 9:32:19 GMT -5
Expecting a loss, possibly a bad one against a good team coming off an embarrassing loss, but more important is how Govan and MD play against a quality inside game from SH. If they show well, it only enhances Ewing's reputation among recruits as to how he develops bigs. Cancer post. lol. Would you think like this going into a game as a player or coach? Hmmm.. Agree and when I coached high school I never showed any doubt going into a game, except to my wife. Maybe my comment will be read to the team and motivate them to show me up. I will be happy to eat crow if this game turns out much better than I expect.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 12, 2018 9:56:33 GMT -5
Cancer post. lol. Would you think like this going into a game as a player or coach? Hmmm.. Agree and when I coached high school I never showed any doubt going into a game, except to my wife. Maybe my comment will be read to the team and motivate them to show me up. I will be happy to eat crow if this game turns out much better than I expect. I gotchu. LOL! Good one.
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Post by tashoya on Jan 12, 2018 10:09:53 GMT -5
Glide, a lot of the time your posts don't come across at all how you think they do or, likely, intend them to. For instance, your "cancer" post didn't read humorous in the least.
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Post by NCHoya on Jan 12, 2018 10:21:06 GMT -5
One guy that was briefly mentioned in hoyassaxa2003's post that could be a tough match-up is Myles Powell. He is very good shooter, that is his role and the type of player that would be a huge addition to the Hoyas. We cannot lose track of him on the perimeter while we focus on the seniors.
Great opportunity for Govan to show his skill against a truly elite college big man. Jessie has taken a gigantic step this season and pulling a legit double double in this game would raise his profile tremendously, and of course, give Ewing some firepower with recruits. That will be the match-up I am looking forward to seeing play out the most, regardless of the scoreboard outcome.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jan 12, 2018 10:23:53 GMT -5
Govan/MD 35 pts/20 rebs combined Mosley/Blair/Pickett/Johnson...one or 2 in double figures Under 18 Turnovers We win...and the home game against Nova becomes truly intriguing. Not sure it is a good thing that we are hoping we can keep our turnovers under 18!!! Good teams turn the ball over less than 10 times a game and until the Hoyas can get to that level on a consistent level, they are going to struggle often. All that being said, I think they can give Seton Hall a good game, if they can limit the turnovers a little, maybe down to 10-12, and shoot a good percentage from three. I think Jessie and Marcus both will play well, although I expect Delgado to have a big game also. I have less confidence against Nova, not only is Nova a better team than Seton Hall, but the style they play is going to be a bad match up for the Hoyas. It would be amazing to have less then ten turnovers per game! However, there are plenty of good teams that turn over the ball more than ten times a game.
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