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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 7, 2018 12:41:07 GMT -5
Derrickson, Govan, Blair, Mosely, Johnson... Reserves: Pickett, Dickerson, Walker, Mulmore...walk on's will be needed at some point? Hey, what do the Hoyas have to lose? The bench scored 40 points yesterday. The Hoyas once again didn't play with their hearts. The only outstanding stat was 14-17 in free throws. 16-40 in field goals, 6-24 shooting 3's? SHEESH! 14 assists was pretty good too. So what does this tell you? I can tell you if the Hoyas would've attacked the basket with reckless abandonment this game would've been different? Of course they could've done a better job communicating and point communicating on defense.
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 7, 2018 13:00:51 GMT -5
Derrickson, Govan, Blair, Mosely, Johnson... Reserves: Pickett, Dickerson, Walker, Mulmore...walk on's will be needed at some point? Hey, what do the Hoyas have to lose? The bench scored 40 points yesterday. The Hoyas once again didn't play with their hearts. The only outstanding stat was 14-17 in free throws. 16-40 in field goals, 6-24 shooting 3's? SHEESH! 14 assists was pretty good too. So what does this tell you? I can tell you if the Hoyas would've attacked the basket with reckless abandonment this game would've been different? Of course they could've done a better job communicating and point communicating on defense. My preference would be: 1. Jagan Mosley 2. Kaleb/Blair 3. Antwan Walker 4. Marcus 5. Govan
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 7, 2018 13:34:46 GMT -5
Derrickson, Govan, Blair, Mosely, Johnson... Reserves: Pickett, Dickerson, Walker, Mulmore...walk on's will be needed at some point? Hey, what do the Hoyas have to lose? The bench scored 40 points yesterday. The Hoyas once again didn't play with their hearts. The only outstanding stat was 14-17 in free throws. 16-40 in field goals, 6-24 shooting 3's? SHEESH! 14 assists was pretty good too. So what does this tell you? I can tell you if the Hoyas would've attacked the basket with reckless abandonment this game would've been different? Of course they could've done a better job communicating and point communicating on defense. My preference would be: 1. Jagan Mosley 2. Kaleb/Blair 3. Antwan Walker 4. Marcus 5. Govan Sounds good too!
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Post by hoyarooter on Jan 7, 2018 18:46:58 GMT -5
While Pickett has certainly not been stellar, I think it's too early to move him to the bench. And I acknowledge that keeping him in the starting lineup may not be the best thing for the team in the short run. But I would still stay with him. I also like the spark that Blair brings off the bench (even though he is much more of a volume shooter than a quality shooter). Mosley, Kaleb, Pickett, Marcus, Govan. I won't argue with anyone who wants to sub Blair for Pickett, but just my two cents.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Jan 7, 2018 20:21:58 GMT -5
While Pickett has certainly not been stellar, I think it's too early to move him to the bench. And I acknowledge that keeping him in the starting lineup may not be the best thing for the team in the short run. But I would still stay with him. I also like the spark that Blair brings off the bench (even though he is much more of a volume shooter than a quality shooter). Mosley, Kaleb, Pickett, Marcus, Govan. I won't argue with anyone who wants to sub Blair for Pickett, but just my two cents. Basically, the 4 actual Big East players we have that are not freshmen and then one of the freshmen. The problem is that almost has to mean Jagan is our starting point guard, and I'm not 100% that's fair to him. Yes he's our best guard by a mile, but he's miscast at point. Does it help him to play it? Debatable. I'd rather continue to see him get more time at his natural spot at this point.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 7, 2018 21:13:51 GMT -5
While Pickett has certainly not been stellar, I think it's too early to move him to the bench. And I acknowledge that keeping him in the starting lineup may not be the best thing for the team in the short run. But I would still stay with him. I also like the spark that Blair brings off the bench (even though he is much more of a volume shooter than a quality shooter). Mosley, Kaleb, Pickett, Marcus, Govan. I won't argue with anyone who wants to sub Blair for Pickett, but just my two cents. Pickett should come off of the bench. As a coach, I think he should sit and watch a little bit just to learn and maybe the first or second off the bench. Sometimes the pressure can get to the young ones, sometimes not. This will let the game come to him. Lots of pressure is being on Pickett because he can shoot the rock. Coach Ewing is relying on him. The kid is very talent and we all you can't rush talent. You have to careful rushing a kid if he's not fully ready. No rush at all.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Jan 7, 2018 22:03:06 GMT -5
No. Let's keep the starting five that we have. Let them take their licks this year, become better players, no one leaves, and let us build a strong and unified team where our players know each other and how to play together. This changing up of line ups has gotten us absolutely no where in the last 13 years. We will improve! Practice, as Iverson once tried to explain, makes perfect.
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Post by dchoya72 on Jan 7, 2018 22:16:11 GMT -5
I would be in favor of substituting Antwan for Pickett in the starting lineup. Dont know the reasons his minutes were so restricted early, but he adds a warrior mentality when he enters the game and contributes on the boards. I would recommend, putting Kaleb at shooting guard. We need Blair and his aggressive shooting (we have to give him grace), and maybe Pickett will be better coming off the bench for now. I like his potential and at some point his develoment will take a leap forward.
Jagan will have to keep working. No criticism, but I am looking for a leap from him too to exhibit the qualities of his inspiration, Russell Westbrook. I do like him and Blair.
Maybe they can grow together...We want much from this team, but we need to give them patience and encouragement. They operate under a lot of pressure and great ambition.
Give Patrick some space and grace and let him grow and adjust to this environment. I think that we will be proud, I already am!
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 8, 2018 7:48:26 GMT -5
No. Let's keep the starting five that we have. Let them take their licks this year, become better players, no one leaves, and let us build a strong and unified team where our players know each other and how to play together. This changing up of line ups has gotten us absolutely no where in the last 13 years. We will improve! Practice, as Iverson once tried to explain, makes perfect. This is a joke! Let them take their licks this year??? The already are lmao. smh. No, perfect practice makes it perfect - Morgan Wooten. Sounds better right? Nice try.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 8, 2018 7:49:44 GMT -5
I would be in favor of substituting Antwan for Pickett in the starting lineup. Dont know the reasons his minutes were so restricted early, but he adds a warrior mentality when he enters the game and contributes on the boards. I would recommend, putting Kaleb at shooting guard. We need Blair and his aggressive shooting (we have to give him grace), and maybe Pickett will be better coming off the bench for now. I like his potential and at some point his develoment will take a leap forward. Jagan will have to keep working. No criticism, but I am looking for a leap from him too to exhibit the qualities of his inspiration, Russell Westbrook. I do like him and Blair. Maybe they can grow together...We want much from this team, but we need to give them patience and encouragement. They operate under a lot of pressure and great ambition. Give Patrick some space and grace and let him grow and adjust to this environment. I think that we will be proud, I already am! yessir, Patrick growing with his team. Awesome.
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Post by dchoya72 on Jan 8, 2018 8:35:12 GMT -5
We're all works in proess/progress.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Jan 8, 2018 10:49:18 GMT -5
While there is something to be said for letting kids play through slumps so that they learn how to handle the ups and downs of college basketball, for some reason Copeland comes to mind. He had some strong games as a freshman, but then struggled and seemed to lose his confidence, and never really got it back as a Hoya. Yeah there may have been other factors, but sometimes you have to let the young guys sit and watch the game to get a feel for it.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Jan 8, 2018 11:21:20 GMT -5
No. Let's keep the starting five that we have. Let them take their licks this year, become better players, no one leaves, and let us build a strong and unified team where our players know each other and how to play together. This changing up of line ups has gotten us absolutely no where in the last 13 years. We will improve! Practice, as Iverson once tried to explain, makes perfect. This is a joke! Let them take their licks this year??? The already are lmao. smh. No, perfect practice makes it perfect - Morgan Wooten. Sounds better right? Nice try. What is "perfect practice", my friend?
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Jan 8, 2018 11:23:57 GMT -5
The fact of the matter is they are going to take some licks this year. All I am saying is let's let them go through the growing pains. Pickett will be fine; the other freshmen will be fine. However, not this year.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 8, 2018 11:24:40 GMT -5
I would be in favor of substituting Antwan for Pickett in the starting lineup. Dont know the reasons his minutes were so restricted early, but he adds a warrior mentality when he enters the game and contributes on the boards. I would recommend, putting Kaleb at shooting guard. Walker isn't a 3 in any way right now, and Kaleb is already starting at 2 ... and he's better suited to the 3. Walker is also basically our only big man backup, so playing him with Derrickson and Govan is a bad idea. I am a huge fan of both Mosely and Blair, but I wouldn't start both of them despite the fact that Mulmore and Dickerson are not playing well. The defense will collapse; we will struggle to run and there's no dribble drive ability at all with Blair and Mosely out there. That can work at times but it's tough for big minutes. I'd go: Mulmore / Mosely / Johnson / Derrickson / Govan. Pickett has been killing us consistently. Everyone not named Jessie or Marcus has had bad games and good games, but Pickett hasn't really had the good games yet. I see the potential, and but I don't think finishing in last is going to be helpful.
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Post by BigmanU on Jan 8, 2018 11:38:59 GMT -5
I would be in favor of substituting Antwan for Pickett in the starting lineup. Dont know the reasons his minutes were so restricted early, but he adds a warrior mentality when he enters the game and contributes on the boards. I would recommend, putting Kaleb at shooting guard. Walker isn't a 3 in any way right now, and Kaleb is already starting at 2 ... and he's better suited to the 3. Walker is also basically our only big man backup, so playing him with Derrickson and Govan is a bad idea. I am a huge fan of both Mosely and Blair, but I wouldn't start both of them despite the fact that Mulmore and Dickerson are not playing well. The defense will collapse; we will struggle to run and there's no dribble drive ability at all with Blair and Mosely out there. That can work at times but it's tough for big minutes. I'd go: Mulmore / Mosely / Johnson / Derrickson / Govan. Pickett has been killing us consistently. Everyone not named Jessie or Marcus has had bad games and good games, but Pickett hasn't really had the good games yet. I see the potential, and but I don't think finishing in last is going to be helpful. Agree, Mosely is really the only realistic change in the starting five. I do agree strongly in more rotational matchups with Walker & Blair however.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 8, 2018 12:04:29 GMT -5
Walker isn't a 3 in any way right now, and Kaleb is already starting at 2 ... and he's better suited to the 3. Walker is also basically our only big man backup, so playing him with Derrickson and Govan is a bad idea. I am a huge fan of both Mosely and Blair, but I wouldn't start both of them despite the fact that Mulmore and Dickerson are not playing well. The defense will collapse; we will struggle to run and there's no dribble drive ability at all with Blair and Mosely out there. That can work at times but it's tough for big minutes. I'd go: Mulmore / Mosely / Johnson / Derrickson / Govan. Pickett has been killing us consistently. Everyone not named Jessie or Marcus has had bad games and good games, but Pickett hasn't really had the good games yet. I see the potential, and but I don't think finishing in last is going to be helpful. Agree, Mosely is really the only realistic change in the starting five. I do agree strongly in more rotational matchups with Walker & Blair however. Agree -- they've both earned the time.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 8, 2018 12:20:47 GMT -5
I'd go: Mulmore / Mosely / Johnson / Derrickson / Govan. Pickett has been killing us consistently. Everyone not named Jessie or Marcus has had bad games and good games, but Pickett hasn't really had the good games yet. I see the potential, and but I don't think finishing in last is going to be helpful. I agree. I know some guys don't like advanced stats, but given the amount of time Pickett is getting, he is actually one of the worst offensive players in the JT3/Ewing era that has played this amount of minutes (and his defense isn't very good either). Again, if the goal is to get him minutes to develop, I get where it's coming from, but when you consider that other young guys might get some of the minutes (most notably, Mosely and Blair) too, it makes less sense. Take a look at these stat lines: (1) O rating: 90.2, 2PT%: 60%, 3 PT%: 33.3%; Turnover Rate: 25.5 (2) O rating: 81.5, 2PT%: 50%, 3 PT%: 26.2%; Turnover Rate: 27.5 (3) O rating: 87.1, 2PT%: 48%, 3 PT%: 21.1%; Turnover Rate: 20.9 (4) O rating: 82.4, 2PT%: 34%, 3 PT%: 33.3%; Turnover Rate: 28.1 Who are these guys? (1) is Reggie Cameron as a senior; (2) is Nikita Mescheriakov sophomore year; (3) is Aaron Bowen sophomore year, and (4) is Pickett this year. The only guard/wing we've had who was easily worse than this group was Stephen Domingo. And for comparison here is the same line for Mosely / Blair this season: Mosely: O Rating: 106.0; 2PT%: 55%, 3PT%: 31.6; Turnover Rate: 21.4 Blair: O Rating: 100.8; 2PT%: 39.6%; 3PT%: 31.7%; Turnover Rate: 17.5 It's probably the least obvious, but the lower turnover rates are a major factor in Mosely/Blair having better overall numbers than Pickett. I am not doing this in any way to denegrate Pickett - like Bowen, I think he can definitely improve over time - but it's to show that right now, at this moment, he's getting a lot of minutes and probably the worst offensive player on this team. And I am not sure his defense is much better, either.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Jan 8, 2018 13:21:50 GMT -5
Like you, I don't want to denigrate Pickett, long term.
But I'm not sure why he's been given the starting spot and so much time when he's not bringing much to the table. I know the other options aren't great, but there are better options.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 8, 2018 13:35:49 GMT -5
I look at this season and next as part of a transition of regimes. After the '19 class arrives on campus, the team will mostly be composed of Pat's players. I hope to be in the national conversation by then.
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