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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 8, 2018 19:39:45 GMT -5
Shocking to see SJU as an 8 point favorite. Of course they can beat us, but to assume a win by nearly double digits seems too much, but maybe I am biased? The Johnnies seem to play better on the road in BE play versus at home. I hope that trend continues. I see no reason why we should go into this game with any lack of confidence. This is a very winnable game and SJU is not Creighton. Reduce turnovers, shoot to our averages and play defense that forces bad shots. I think that is enough. LOL, when you mentioned shocking to see SJ's have an 8 pt. favorite. This game will be hard fought by both teams though.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 8, 2018 19:42:50 GMT -5
Perhaps MSG will be a better venue. Rivalry and hope so for the Hoyas!
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Post by s4hoyas on Jan 8, 2018 22:17:13 GMT -5
Control Ponds...
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 8, 2018 22:39:55 GMT -5
Just read this . The media is trash. Marcus can't even focus on basketball because he's to busy answering bs questions about what happened. Sm[font color="fa2305"]deleted[/font]h. Read my comment too. The title is misleading. Ewing says MD was rusty. MD says he think his coach thought he was under the weather. smh smh smh till it falls off ... smh!!!
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 8, 2018 22:47:16 GMT -5
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Post by miracles87 on Jan 9, 2018 1:08:05 GMT -5
Ponds has owned us. I bet he's licking his lips, be interesting to see what we do.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 9, 2018 7:36:45 GMT -5
How can MD and this team go on with the media keeping this mess going. You would've think Marcus rob a bank and cops were looking for him. Got da*mn. Ava smh. The kid thought the shot clock was winding down and took the best he "thought" he could.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 9, 2018 9:36:35 GMT -5
they just had to throw Marcus in there...smh
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 9, 2018 11:07:30 GMT -5
they will be playing better TEAM basketball. We shall see.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2018 11:10:08 GMT -5
Interesting matchup of bigs vs guards. Control the tempo early, protect the ball. No frenzied pace. Feed Jessie and Marcus as much as you can inside. Get Owens in foul trouble and we should have a field day (even w/o that, actually). Keep fresh guys out there (i.e. use Walker, Mosely) -- SJU starters play huge minutes. Ponds will get his shots - make them as tough as possible and keep him outside the paint. Voila.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 9, 2018 13:39:18 GMT -5
To be honest that'll never happen he's too clever with the ball. lol. But SJ's will try to play team ball.
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Post by TC on Jan 9, 2018 13:42:43 GMT -5
NBA Coaches Association issues statement rebuking Jeff Goodman (acting as Ball family mouthpiece) :
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Post by NCHoya on Jan 9, 2018 14:47:19 GMT -5
Shocking to see SJU as an 8 point favorite. Of course they can beat us, but to assume a win by nearly double digits seems too much, but maybe I am biased? The Johnnies seem to play better on the road in BE play versus at home. I hope that trend continues. I see no reason why we should go into this game with any lack of confidence. This is a very winnable game and SJU is not Creighton. Reduce turnovers, shoot to our averages and play defense that forces bad shots. I think that is enough. It's because, right now, St. John's is probably the better team, and this is an away game for us.. It's true that they are 0-4, but the only "bad" loss among their losses is to DePaul (other losses: Creighton by 7; Seton Hall by 5; Providence by 18). For what it's worth, on KenPom we are ranked 100, they are ranked 72. We are projected as 28% to win, with a margin of 7. Of course, this is a projection of odds, we will either win or lose once. But, it does demonstrate that it's not an easy game for us. Using Sagarin, we are ranked 91, St. John's is 71. I really think HoyaTalk generally is a little slow in coming to realize how bad we are and have been because we are all fans and want the team to succeed. Aside from Esherick's horrible 2004 team, which was ranked 124, this current team is 100. Even the worst John Thompson III teams were never that bad. I am not blaming Ewing at all - there is usually a dip after a coaching change because of recruiting/personnel changes. That said, this is very much a winnable game for us. A few things are to our advantage: (1) St. John's is a bad shooting team; thus, even when we have our defensive lapses, St. John's is not as well equipped to take advantage as Creighton was. In fact, they are downright bad - 271st on twos (47.1%), and 223 on threes (33.6%). (2) St. John's is below average in getting offensive rebounds, and really bad on defensive rebounds (318 of 335). (3) St. John's doesn't get to the line as much as we do. But, the major factors against us: (1) St. John's is a pretty good defensive team. (2) They take care of the ball well, and are 6th best in the nation in forcing turnovers, and very good at getting blocks and steals. (3) Their 2 PT defense is actually quite good, which could hurt Derrickson/Govan as they play in the post. Both teams have a high average possession length and long defensive possession length. My guess is that it's a mess of a game no matter who wins. Lots of numbers, but aren't they mostly the result of a weak schedule that has been demonized all season by many posters? If the Hoyas had played a schedule similar to SJU, would their record be so much different? In fact, GU still has not lost to a team outside the Top 50 - so actually the Hoyas have no bad losses. For me, the rankings are too biased because the schedule is such an outlier in terms of strength. That said, I do not feel like expecting to lose by less than 3 possessions to SJU or DePaul is proclaiming the Hoyas are "good". Having low/modest expectations for this this season (4-5 wins in the BE) is different from NO expectations, which it sounds like some people have because on Jan 9th we have lost to 4 top 50 teams. Anyway, the majority agreed with my initial thought and the line moved to 6.5. A game like this will actually give us a much better idea of just where this team stands compared to its peers, for me it is too early to tell.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Jan 9, 2018 14:55:18 GMT -5
This should be a home game for Jessie! Family and friends should root for the Hoyas!!!
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 9, 2018 15:10:26 GMT -5
Lots of numbers, but aren't they mostly the result of a weak schedule that has been demonized all season by many posters? If the Hoyas had played a schedule similar to SJU, would their record be so much different? In fact, GU still has not lost to a team outside the Top 50 - so actually the Hoyas have no bad losses. For me, the rankings are too biased because the schedule is such an outlier in terms of strength. That said, I do not feel like expecting to lose by less than 3 possessions to SJU or DePaul is proclaiming the Hoyas are "good". Having low/modest expectations for this this season (4-5 wins in the BE) is different from NO expectations, which it sounds like some people have because on Jan 9th we have lost to 4 top 50 teams. Anyway, the majority agreed with my initial thought and the line moved to 6.5. A game like this will actually give us a much better idea of just where this team stands compared to its peers, for me it is too early to tell. No doubt, St. John's stats are more influenced by their OOC than Big East right now, but their OOC was much better than ours. The OOC shedules aren't comparable. Rankings of opponents: St. John's: 18, 43, 64, 81, 101, 113, 120, 127, 218, 287, 319 (and they play Duke in February) Georgetown: 49, 205, 223, 283, 292, 323, 336, 337, 342, 347 348. Put differently, St. John's played 8 OOC games with top 150 opponents, and only 1 below 300. Georgetown played one OOC game in the top 150, and six below 300. It's not even comparable, especially when you consider that the teams in the 320-350 range are way, way, way, worse than the teams in the 200s. I would be pleased with an OOC like St. John's. EDIT: Even if you look at Big East games the same trends hold. They are still bad at shooting threes (8 of 10 in the Big East, not great at twos (6th of 10), they are the best team in the Big East at forcing turnovers, and on steals and blocks, and they are a poor defensive rebounding team (9 of 10). So yeah, pretty much everything in the numbers is also reflected in their Big East play.
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Post by NCHoya on Jan 9, 2018 15:33:55 GMT -5
Lots of numbers, but aren't they mostly the result of a weak schedule that has been demonized all season by many posters? If the Hoyas had played a schedule similar to SJU, would their record be so much different? In fact, GU still has not lost to a team outside the Top 50 - so actually the Hoyas have no bad losses. For me, the rankings are too biased because the schedule is such an outlier in terms of strength. That said, I do not feel like expecting to lose by less than 3 possessions to SJU or DePaul is proclaiming the Hoyas are "good". Having low/modest expectations for this this season (4-5 wins in the BE) is different from NO expectations, which it sounds like some people have because on Jan 9th we have lost to 4 top 50 teams. Anyway, the majority agreed with my initial thought and the line moved to 6.5. A game like this will actually give us a much better idea of just where this team stands compared to its peers, for me it is too early to tell. No doubt, St. John's stats are more influenced by their OOC than Big East right now, but their OOC was much better than ours. The OOC shedules aren't comparable. Rankings of opponents: St. John's: 18, 43, 64, 81, 101, 113, 120, 127, 218, 287, 319 (and they play Duke in February) Georgetown: 49, 205, 223, 283, 292, 323, 336, 337, 342, 347 348. Put differently, St. John's played 8 OOC games with top 150 opponents, and only 1 below 300. Georgetown played one OOC game in the top 150, and six below 300. It's not even comparable, especially when you consider that the teams in the 320-350 range are way, way, way, worse than the teams in the 200s. I would be pleased with an OOC like St. John's. EDIT: Even if you look at Big East games the same trends hold. They are still bad at shooting threes (8 of 10 in the Big East, not great at twos (6th of 10), they are the best team in the Big East at forcing turnovers, and on steals and blocks, and they are a poor defensive rebounding team (9 of 10). So yeah, pretty much everything in the numbers is also reflected in their Big East play. Agree, Georgetown's OOC schedule was so bad and such an outlier, everything is skewed. So the 8 point underdog makes sense if the experts are using the stat analysis. For me, just not buying we know enough about where we stand. Are the Hoyas the Class of the Depaul, SJU, GU grouping, or not? I am hoping they are or else my 4-5 BE wins will be nearly impossible to attain. Beating DePaul in Chicago gave me hope.
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Post by hoyainla on Jan 9, 2018 16:34:47 GMT -5
This should be a game that the Hoyas slow it down and try to grind out a win, old school BE style to follow the theme of the night. Not sure it will happen though. There is a path to victory lets see if they try it.
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Post by drquigley on Jan 9, 2018 16:56:14 GMT -5
My 7-11 BE record definitely requires sweeps of St. Johns, DePaul, and Providence. Tune in tomorrow to see if that is being revised.
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Post by njhoya78 on Jan 9, 2018 18:17:07 GMT -5
At the Garden. We just took the court in electric Carolina Blue uniforms. Who allowed this abomination?
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Post by hoya95 on Jan 9, 2018 18:22:20 GMT -5
At the Garden. We just took the court in electric Carolina Blue uniforms. Who allowed this abomination? Just saw it on TV. What in hell color is that? Are these our NFL Color Rush uniforms? We got stuck with the "blue highlighter" version?
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