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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 5, 2018 8:44:23 GMT -5
You do see the difference between fans yelling obscenities at an opposing player and a coach telling his player that he took a bad shot? It's psychological. I'm thinking since Pat took the yelling (from the opposing fans) and turned it into a positive maybe he thinks this works for Marcus. Okay, got it?
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 5, 2018 8:47:14 GMT -5
I'm just sitting here sipping me tea this morning. So #donthatetheplaya "True basketball coaches are great teachers and you do not humiliate, you do not physically go after, you do not push or shove, you do not berate, if you are a true coach. If you humiliate or curse them, that won't do it. Coaches like that are not coaches." Legendary/Hall of Fame DeMatha Coach Morgan Wootten One would have to say Coach Ewing is not great yet, but he's getting there.
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Post by Elvado on Jan 5, 2018 8:47:18 GMT -5
Good Lord has this world gone soft. A coach at a major program yelled at one of his kids for a bad shot. He emphasized that it was poor decision and not a shot he should be taking.
The kid went on and played well. Case closed.
Just for some perspective: I remember to this day when Big John tanked Billy Martin from a National TV game (Nova I think) after a missed reverse breakaway dunk and cursed him up one side and down the other on his way off the court. Billy survived.
We as a society are raising veal if anyone thinks Pat needs to apologize.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 5, 2018 8:51:44 GMT -5
Good Lord has this world gone soft. A coach at a major program yelled at one of his kids for a bad shot. He emphasized that it was poor decision and not a shot he should be taking. The kid went on and played well. Case closed. Just for some perspective: I remember to this day when Big John tamed Billy Martin from a game after a missed reverse breakaway dunk and cursed him up one side and down the other on his way off the court. Billy survived. We as a society are raising veal if anyone thinks Pat needs to apologize. Soft has nothing to do with this. Don't assume as most do here. You have your opinion this doesn't make it a fact. Most respect. Marcus played well before the one legged fake KD shot. Billy looked at JT Jr. as a father figure. Marcus has a dad. I've talked to numerous times and he's not a little man, he's a big man that don't take no . I work with Marcus' sister. I don't think she likes the attention if everybody in my building knew or know who she is. Some do some don't. Hmmm.
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Post by SSHoya on Jan 5, 2018 8:52:07 GMT -5
Anyone who has played sports even through the high school level has been yelled at by a coach. In a small high school gym, everyone heard it! I don't see what the big deal is. Because it was caught on "in the huddle" and went viral? Gimme a break. Marcus is tougher than some would give him credit for if anyone thinks he's not, well, he shouldn't be playing for the Hoyas.
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Post by iheartdurenbros on Jan 5, 2018 8:52:35 GMT -5
Also PE probably singled MD out because he knew how to push him. He might not have done same for others. Personally I’m more concerned about his nose getting in the way of his effectiveness on Saturday than any sense of personal embarrassment.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 5, 2018 8:52:58 GMT -5
Good Lord has this world gone soft. A coach at a major program yelled at one of his kids for a bad shot. He emphasized that it was poor decision and not a shot he should be taking. The kid went on and played well. Case closed. Just for some perspective: I remember to this day when Big John tanked Billy Martin from a National TV game (Nova I think) after a missed reverse breakaway dunk and cursed him up one side and down the other on his way off the court. Billy survived. We as a society are raising veal if anyone thinks Pat needs to apologize. You ever coached or have children. Have you've done something out of passion and know there's a better was as a parent or coach you could've done things? Just asking.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 5, 2018 8:55:44 GMT -5
Anyone who has played sports even through the high school level has been yelled at by a coach. I don't see what the big deal is. Because it was caught on "in the huddle" and went viral? Gimme a break. Marcus is tougher than some would give him credit for if anyone thinks he's not, well, he shouldn't be playing for the Hoyas. Not true at all. You cannot speak for everyone. There are all kinds of coaches. Of course you don't see what the big deal is because you're not Marcus and getting so much attention that you cannot even concentrate on Creighton! Put your shoes in Marcus' shoes if you will. Yeah it went viral and do you think Marcus likes this? His teammates? Yes, Marcus is tough, but is he as he's going through all of this? Do you know Marcus. How can you speak for Marcus. Who are you to say what you said in your last sentence?
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 5, 2018 8:57:24 GMT -5
Also PE probably singled MD out because he knew how to push him. He might not have done same for others. Personally I’m more concerned about his nose getting in the way of his effectiveness on Saturday than any sense of personal embarrassment. This is obvious, but was it the right time? Marcus was already playing well and keeping the Hoyas in the game. Marcus had 14 pts. in the first half! I'm concerned about Marcus health and his mental state of being. I think Marcus will play well vs. Creighton, at least I'm hoping.
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Post by SSHoya on Jan 5, 2018 9:01:53 GMT -5
Anyone who has played sports even through the high school level has been yelled at by a coach. I don't see what the big deal is. Because it was caught on "in the huddle" and went viral? Gimme a break. Marcus is tougher than some would give him credit for if anyone thinks he's not, well, he shouldn't be playing for the Hoyas. Not true at all. You cannot speak for everyone. There are all kinds of coaches. Of course you don't see what the big deal is because you're not Marcus and getting so much attention that you cannot even concentrate on Creighton! Put your shoes in Marcus' shoes if you will. Yeah it went viral and do you think Marcus likes this? His teammates? Yes, Marcus is tough, but is he as he's going through all of this? Do you know Marcus. How can you speak for Marcus. Who are you to say what you said in your last sentence? “What stands out about Marcus is his toughness and competitive spirit,” Panthers Coach Glenn Farello said. “He’s a stretch four that can step out and shoot, but he’s also willing to bang inside. There’s nothing he won’t do to help his team win.” I'll take his HS coach's word for Marcus's toughness.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 5, 2018 9:07:38 GMT -5
Not true at all. You cannot speak for everyone. There are all kinds of coaches. Of course you don't see what the big deal is because you're not Marcus and getting so much attention that you cannot even concentrate on Creighton! Put your shoes in Marcus' shoes if you will. Yeah it went viral and do you think Marcus likes this? His teammates? Yes, Marcus is tough, but is he as he's going through all of this? Do you know Marcus. How can you speak for Marcus. Who are you to say what you said in your last sentence? “What stands out about Marcus is his toughness and competitive spirit,” Panthers Coach Glenn Farello said. “He’s a stretch four that can step out and shoot, but he’s also willing to bang inside. There’s nothing he won’t do to help his team win.” I'll take his HS coach's word for Marcus's toughness. I said Marcus was tough, and I personally know Coach Farello and have coached his hs team some years ago at the Hoopgroup, so that's that. Marcus also played for Team Takeover and Keith Stevens. If Marcus wasn't tough he wouldn't have played for Keith trust me I know. Keith is like a brother to me. He also coached my son and Tywon Lawson.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 5, 2018 9:09:56 GMT -5
Not true at all. You cannot speak for everyone. There are all kinds of coaches. Of course you don't see what the big deal is because you're not Marcus and getting so much attention that you cannot even concentrate on Creighton! Put your shoes in Marcus' shoes if you will. Yeah it went viral and do you think Marcus likes this? His teammates? Yes, Marcus is tough, but is he as he's going through all of this? Do you know Marcus. How can you speak for Marcus. Who are you to say what you said in your last sentence? “What stands out about Marcus is his toughness and competitive spirit,” Panthers Coach Glenn Farello said. “He’s a stretch four that can step out and shoot, but he’s also willing to bang inside. There’s nothing he won’t do to help his team win.” I'll take his HS coach's word for Marcus's toughness. True basketball coaches are great teachers and you do not humiliate, you do not physically go after, you do not push or shove, you do not berate, if you are a true coach. If you humiliate or curse them, that won't do it. Coaches like that are not coaches. Morgan Wootten It's amazing the things you hear from your players talking to them one on one. I never embarrassed a player, I spoke with him alone. Morgan Wootten I'll take a legend over a soon to be legend one day LOL. j/k
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Post by SSHoya on Jan 5, 2018 9:11:01 GMT -5
“What stands out about Marcus is his toughness and competitive spirit,” Panthers Coach Glenn Farello said. “He’s a stretch four that can step out and shoot, but he’s also willing to bang inside. There’s nothing he won’t do to help his team win.” I'll take his HS coach's word for Marcus's toughness. I said Marcus was tough, and I personally know Coach Farello and have coached his hs team some years ago at the Hoopgroup, so that's that. Marcus also played for Team Takeover and Keith Stevens. If Marcus wasn't tough he wouldn't have played for Keith trust me I know. Keith is like a brother to me. He also coached my son and Tywon Lawson. Glide, I don't think we really disagree THAT much. Marcus is tough, hope his nose is better. Go Hoyas!
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Post by calhoya on Jan 5, 2018 9:35:40 GMT -5
I too was uncomfortable with all the attention given to the coach getting on MD, but the kid seemed to respond well and clearly he has become a better player this year after seemingly stalling last year. It's not as if that one moment in the huddle launched MD into the next level as a player--that has been occurring all year.
I remember Big John getting on a kid, yanking him from the game and then putting him right back in a few minutes later. Some responded well, some did not. With Ewing I believe that the Board is reacting to the presence of some passion on the sideline. While I personally liked JT III's demeanor (particularly compared to some of the lunatics on the sideline--see South Carolina), he did, either consciously or otherwise, come across as very calm during games, rarely displaying emotion. I know that many fans did not like this characteristic. Ewing is clearly different and the MD video has highlighted that fact.
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Post by Elvado on Jan 5, 2018 9:58:44 GMT -5
Good Lord has this world gone soft. A coach at a major program yelled at one of his kids for a bad shot. He emphasized that it was poor decision and not a shot he should be taking. The kid went on and played well. Case closed. Just for some perspective: I remember to this day when Big John tanked Billy Martin from a National TV game (Nova I think) after a missed reverse breakaway dunk and cursed him up one side and down the other on his way off the court. Billy survived. We as a society are raising veal if anyone thinks Pat needs to apologize. You ever coached or have children. Have you've done something out of passion and know there's a better was as a parent or coach you could've done things? Just asking. I both have children and coach. I have coached travel soccer for years and coached girls CYO basketball for 4 years. I would never yell at a child while coaching them and would not call one out. However, they are children. Marcus Derrickson is an adult playing high level basketball. There is an inherent difference. I respect your opinion but talking about kids and this situation is in my humble opinion apples and oranges.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 5, 2018 10:46:59 GMT -5
I too was uncomfortable with all the attention given to the coach getting on MD, but the kid seemed to respond well and clearly he has become a better player this year after seemingly stalling last year. It's not as if that one moment in the huddle launched MD into the next level as a player--that has been occurring all year. I remember Big John getting on a kid, yanking him from the game and then putting him right back in a few minutes later. Some responded well, some did not. With Ewing I believe that the Board is reacting to the presence of some passion on the sideline. While I personally liked JT III's demeanor (particularly compared to some of the lunatics on the sideline--see South Carolina), he did, either consciously or otherwise, come across as very calm during games, rarely displaying emotion. I know that many fans did not like this characteristic. Ewing is clearly different and the MD video has highlighted that fact. Yes, did SEEM to respond well at that moment and time. How does Marcus feel now this has gone viral. Again, I work with his sister and I don't think she'd want me coming to her asking her about what happened to her youngest brother. Other's here know her as well. Marcus became a better player because he wanted to. He's always had a incredible work ethic playing for Paul IV and Team Takeover. If you're gonna yank a kid for a mistake you simply put him on the bench. I totally understand Patrick is a legend and he's old school and when he was yelled at by other schools during the time he played and used this as motivation. Maybe he tried this, but we have to remember Patrick is going to make some mistakes and smart enough to correct them. Personally, I think he may have made a mistake in the way he handled Marcus. At first I didn't think this. I thought it was cool, but then I started thinking about Marcus and how everytime someone see's him they'll say he you're that kid that Patrick got on in the huddle and on the sidelines. Will this hurt our recruiting. I dont' think so, at least I hope not. Just conversating. If you think JT3 was calm during games you may not know him well. LOL. Trust me. JT3 may have looked calm but that he wasn't. I have lots of footage on my Instagram page of JT3 hyped up. Ewing is clearly a rookie coach and may realize he cannot continue to do this. I don't if you're a parent and/or have coached before. True basketball coaches are great teachers and you do not humiliate, you do not physically go after, you do not push or shove, you do not berate, if you are a true coach. If you humiliate or curse them, that won't do it. Coaches like that are not coaches. Morgan Wootten It's amazing the things you hear from your players talking to them one on one. I never embarrassed a player, I spoke with him alone. Morgan Wootten
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 5, 2018 10:51:36 GMT -5
You ever coached or have children. Have you've done something out of passion and know there's a better was as a parent or coach you could've done things? Just asking. I both have children and coach. I have coached travel soccer for years and coached girls CYO basketball for 4 years. I would never yell at a child while coaching them and would not call one out. However, they are children. Marcus Derrickson is an adult playing high level basketball. There is an inherent difference. I respect your opinion but talking about kids and this situation is in my humble opinion apples and oranges. So why would a college kid? MD is not an adult, and he's not considered an adult. Just because he's a big dude he's an adult??? What does high level hoops have to do with anything. It's still college basketball. I respect your opinion as well, but there are youth coaches NOW that will try what Patrick has done, and there are some now that do this. So no apples and oranges here. Respect. It's amazing the things you hear from your players talking to them one on one. I never embarrassed a player, I spoke with him alone. Morgan Wootten True basketball coaches are great teachers and you do not humiliate, you do not physically go after, you do not push or shove, you do not berate, if you are a true coach. If you humiliate or curse them, that won't do it. Coaches like that are not coaches. Morgan Wootten “Yelling doesn't get your point across, it only makes it louder.”
― Grant Hill
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 5, 2018 10:53:37 GMT -5
I said Marcus was tough, and I personally know Coach Farello and have coached his hs team some years ago at the Hoopgroup, so that's that. Marcus also played for Team Takeover and Keith Stevens. If Marcus wasn't tough he wouldn't have played for Keith trust me I know. Keith is like a brother to me. He also coached my son and Tywon Lawson. Glide, I don't think we really disagree THAT much. Marcus is tough, hope his nose is better. Go Hoyas! Haha no sir, but that's okay. Yes, Marcus is tough, but we have to put ourselves in his shoes as well. I won't say a word or even ask his sister about this out of respect.
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Post by Elvado on Jan 5, 2018 11:19:01 GMT -5
I both have children and coach. I have coached travel soccer for years and coached girls CYO basketball for 4 years. I would never yell at a child while coaching them and would not call one out. However, they are children. Marcus Derrickson is an adult playing high level basketball. There is an inherent difference. I respect your opinion but talking about kids and this situation is in my humble opinion apples and oranges. So why would a college kid? MD is not an adult, and he's not considered an adult. Just because he's a big dude he's an adult??? What does high level hoops have to do with anything. It's still college basketball. I respect your opinion as well, but there are youth coaches NOW that will try what Patrick has done, and there are some now that do this. So no apples and oranges here. Respect. It's amazing the things you hear from your players talking to them one on one. I never embarrassed a player, I spoke with him alone. Morgan Wootten True basketball coaches are great teachers and you do not humiliate, you do not physically go after, you do not push or shove, you do not berate, if you are a true coach. If you humiliate or curse them, that won't do it. Coaches like that are not coaches. Morgan Wootten “Yelling doesn't get your point across, it only makes it louder.”
― Grant Hill We can agree to disagree. That said he is a college junior, so 20-21 years old?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 5, 2018 11:24:39 GMT -5
Popovich gets in players faces, Phil Jackson does not....
Both have been very successful...
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