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Post by ewingitrust on Jan 4, 2018 14:25:35 GMT -5
As much play as this is getting on twitter, Good recruiting ad. i think that point is being overlooked here. The Hoyas and Ewing are consistently receiving national pub. I think Ewing's hire, twitter presence and enthusiasm has brought back fans to the program. Ewing commands the respect given and I think he's doing an underrated job. Fair or Foul...we were criticized, and openly mocked with regards to our non-conference schedule. But since the syracuse and butler game, in particular after butler beat nova, coupled with Govan and Derrickson playing to their potential levels; the narrative has shifted nationally to perhaps maybe we can make a go of it in the Big East conference play. Our frontcourt is the best, with Govan and Derrickson. We have a defensive stopper Kaleb Johnson, bench scorer Blair, bench sparkplug in Mosley, Mulmore has to provide the steady hand with the ball and finally the potential of Pickett when it all finally clicks in. I feel like Ewing knows the potential of this team and I think its way to soon to not have dreams of a postseason tournament berth. We will become much better as season goes on.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 4, 2018 14:43:30 GMT -5
Agree!!! People don't think about the young men, just themselves.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 4, 2018 14:44:27 GMT -5
He should be yelling at Mulmore more than anyone else. That's his starting point guard if you get what I mean, if not ask me!
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Post by dchoya72 on Jan 4, 2018 15:09:17 GMT -5
Ewingtrust, I agree with you. We're already better than most anticipated! The Hoyas are mentioned often during NBA games by Jeff Van Vundy. Jeff Green is doing quite well with the Cavaliers.
I think the question of can Patrick coach, which should have never been questioned is rendered moot, as has the question of can he recruit...YES.
And the style of play is exciting. I am confident that we will get some additional talented and well regarded recruits to take us to the next level. We just bave to keep getting better as a team. Play hard and smarter and play that tough Hoya defense. I'm optimistic!
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Post by professorhoya on Jan 4, 2018 15:45:52 GMT -5
He should be yelling at Mulmore more than anyone else. That's his starting point guard if you get what I mean, if not ask me! You are hardest on your best players and leaders (Govan and Derrickson). That sets the tone for everyone else. Those two have the most potential to go the NBA (outside of Picket in a couple years maybe) and so it's a matter if they want it that bad to go to the NBA. You can tell Patrick knows what it takes to make an NBA roster in 2018, and is putting his focus on those that can get there and are willing to listen and learn.
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Post by justsaying on Jan 4, 2018 16:19:43 GMT -5
Agree!!! People don't think about the young men, just themselves. Be it that Coach E has been there and done that (at a very high level), he knows about talent and Marcus is talented. Whether or not is is work ethnic in practice I do not know for I'm not there during those times. But I do trust Coach E knows when in pressure situations some players may back off the throttle a little or we call it settling. On the one legged jumper that is a point of settling instead of turning to take it to the opponent or trying to draw the foul. Marcus is progressing well and I feel Coach E is wanting him to keep his foot on the throttle not to back off. That is a good thing.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 4, 2018 19:25:36 GMT -5
Agree. No point yelling at your worst players. You don't yell at players to play that can't play.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 4, 2018 19:45:02 GMT -5
As much play as this is getting on twitter, Good recruiting ad. i think that point is being overlooked here. The Hoyas and Ewing are consistently receiving national pub. I think Ewing's hire, twitter presence and enthusiasm has brought back fans to the program. Ewing commands the respect given and I think he's doing an underrated job. Fair or Foul...we were criticized, and openly mocked with regards to our non-conference schedule. But since the syracuse and butler game, in particular after butler beat nova, coupled with Govan and Derrickson playing to their potential levels; the narrative has shifted nationally to perhaps maybe we can make a go of it in the Big East conference play. Our frontcourt is the best, with Govan and Derrickson. We have a defensive stopper Kaleb Johnson, bench scorer Blair, bench sparkplug in Mosley, Mulmore has to provide the steady hand with the ball and finally the potential of Pickett when it all finally clicks in. I feel like Ewing knows the potential of this team and I think its way to soon to not have dreams of a postseason tournament berth. We will become much better as season goes on. Whether Ewing's dressing down of Derrickson helps in recruiting, I really don't know. In the end, probably not a big effect, either way. I think with certain players that approach might help, with others who have huge egos, maybe not (and Ewing may not want those types anyway - but talent is talent). I really yield to Ewing on this, though. He's the coach, presumably he's spent a lot of time around all of them, and he knows their personalities, etc. As others have said, some guys respond to that, others might not. I leave that to Ewing - he surely did what he did because he thought it was right, and my guess is when it happened, he didn't even think about the fact that TV cameras would record it. On the other stuff, it's just too early to tell. Sure, Ewing has done some good things - he definitely gets respect. There are certainly encouraging aspects of what's happened. But, Ewing still hasn't notched a single win against a top 100 team, and lost two games against good teams when the team fell apart in the second half (which is why I don't understand the "toughness" and "not folding" narrative, as there was little tough about the way we played at the end of games, or when we allowed horrible cupcakes to shrink our leads in second halves). I am not saying Ewing is the reason we lost those games - he didn't cause all the turnovers - but ultimately the team's results are his results. On recruiting, Pickett was a nice pickup, as was LeBlanc, and I think that McClung and Carter are good pieces. But, the 2018 class isn't finished yet (I hope), and we have no idea on 2019. So it's too early to know how Ewing's recruiting will shape up, but there are good signs, most notably that they are working hard at it, and we have a really good recruiter in Kirby. If Ewing can get talent, he'll be successful. For this season, I still think anything much better than 5-13 may be a stretch, but I wouldn't be surprised if we got a few more wins if things begin to click with time. I hope that happens on Saturday against Creighton.
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Post by tashoya on Jan 5, 2018 0:01:59 GMT -5
If Marcus had scored 6 points in that game, the "dressing down" clip doesn't make any noise. They shaped the narrative as that being a reason for Marcus having such a good game. It probably didn't hurt but Marcus having put in the work was what caused the results he got. He's getting publicity for having a big game. Good for him. As a fan, I said out loud, "WTH was that, Marcus?" The people that would give a crap either way were watching the game and thought it was a bad shot when he took it without Pat saying a word. Guys take bad shots and make mistakes every game. Great players included.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 5, 2018 7:48:42 GMT -5
Agree!!! People don't think about the young men, just themselves. Be it that Coach E has been there and done that (at a very high level), he knows about talent and Marcus is talented. Whether or not is is work ethnic in practice I do not know for I'm not there during those times. But I do trust Coach E knows when in pressure situations some players may back off the throttle a little or we call it settling. On the one legged jumper that is a point of settling instead of turning to take it to the opponent or trying to draw the foul. Marcus is progressing well and I feel Coach E is wanting him to keep his foot on the throttle not to back off. That is a good thing. Marcus' work ethic is off the chain. I never said I didn't trust Ewing's. Most good to great coaches stay on their best players, especially their point guards. I guess he doesn't care enough about his starting point guard to call him out? Hmmmm.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 5, 2018 7:52:07 GMT -5
He should be yelling at Mulmore more than anyone else. That's his starting point guard if you get what I mean, if not ask me! You are hardest on your best players and leaders (Govan and Derrickson). That sets the tone for everyone else. Those two have the most potential to go the NBA (outside of Picket in a couple years maybe) and so it's a matter if they want it that bad to go to the NBA. You can tell Patrick knows what it takes to make an NBA roster in 2018, and is putting his focus on those that can get there and are willing to listen and learn. If you read somewhere in here I've already mentioned good to great coaches are always hardest on their players especially their point guards. This is why I mentioned Mulmore. Mulmore has been inconsistent and erratic and never called out like this. Trust me I coached and normally as your coach on the court (point guard), your head coach normally yells at him/her if they're not leading or turning the ball over in crucial situations.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 5, 2018 7:55:26 GMT -5
“Yelling doesn't get your point across, it only makes it louder.” - Grant Hill
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 5, 2018 7:58:42 GMT -5
I can guarantee you Coach Ewing has sat with Derrickson and apologized for what he said on national tv? Did this embarrass, help or hurt Marcus? We will see on Saturday the results?
"It's amazing the things you hear from your players talking to them one on one. I never embarrassed a player, I spoke with him alone." - Morgan Wootten
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 5, 2018 8:09:03 GMT -5
The coach absolutely does not need to apologize to his players for getting on them. This isn't peewee ball. Passive coaches lead to passive players.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 5, 2018 8:09:17 GMT -5
The coach absolutely does not need to apologize to his players for getting on them. This isn't peewee ball. Passive coaches lead to passive players.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 5, 2018 8:19:10 GMT -5
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 5, 2018 8:23:59 GMT -5
You do see the difference between fans yelling obscenities at an opposing player and a coach telling his player that he took a bad shot?
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 5, 2018 8:36:04 GMT -5
The coach absolutely does not need to apologize to his players for getting on them. This isn't peewee ball. Passive coaches lead to passive players. [/quote Def respect your opinion. I had a son and I've made a couple of mistakes of embarrassing him in front of his friends or as a coach. This is what I've said to him. "Son, I know you seem to be embarrassed by me yelling at you in front of your teammates/friends, I apologize for this, but I want to you know I love you and I only want what's best for you. I just want you to be at your best all times." .... "It's amazing the things you hear from your players talking to them one on one. I never embarrassed a player, I spoke with him alone." - Legendary DeMatha Coach Morgan Wootten I've worked and learned from Morgan Wooten as well. I could call him when I had questions about my son's grades in school, and he'd call me right back. I love and respect Mr. Wooten to the fullest!
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 5, 2018 8:38:09 GMT -5
The coach absolutely does not need to apologize to his players for getting on them. This isn't peewee ball. Passive coaches lead to passive players. I hear you, but I hope your hear me as well. Marcus has not been playing passive. Has nothing to do with pee wee ball. Coaches on the pee wee level do this as well. It trickles down from the pros to college to youth. You ever coached? No disrespect. These are college kids. This isn't boot camps, so to speak.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Jan 5, 2018 8:41:33 GMT -5
You do see the difference between fans yelling obscenities at an opposing player and a coach telling his player that he took a bad shot? What does this have to do with anything? I've benched my player's and my coaches handle certain issues. Hmmm.
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