Jordan Tucker - Duke Transfer to Butler

[vamosalaplaya]

I posted earlier about Tucker's two years in Westchester County playing for White Plains and Stepinac. I am a long time Hoya fan who follows recruiting at arms length and doesn't often see "up close" just how much adjustment some of these top 100 players need to do in the areas of teamwork and hard work once they get to college. Tucker has terrific talent which is why I said that if Ewing wanted to take him on I thought it would be a great call, but his reputation was that he needed to do alot of work in the basic areas of teamwork, defense, etc. I have seen tons of CHSAA games involving future D1 players and I have never seen a guy ball hog like Tucker. Stepinac games featured repeated benchings during the game for simple things like running a play correctly. I can certainly believe GU passed on him, as talented as he is, and if they did it was the right call.

[FrazierFanatic]

As an aside, just perusing St. John's and Syracuse boards they simply post that Tucker chose Butler over Ewing and Georgetown. That is not the optic we want, so I see nothing wrong with "leaking" (if we did, AND if it is true) that we passed on him.

[professorhoya]

If he's eligible 2018 December then we would have basically have been adding another small forward (to go with Pickett, Kaleb Johnson, Antwan Walker). What we really need is another big and a point guard or two.

[jld54]

Jan 15, 2018 15:43:11 GMT -5 FrazierFanatic said:

As an aside, just perusing St. John's and Syracuse boards they simply post that Tucker chose Butler over Ewing and Georgetown. That is not the optic we want, so I see nothing wrong with "leaking" (if we did, AND if it is true) that we passed on him.

It appears that this player was not a good match. We have more pressing needs at the guard spots — namely players with good instincts, handle and scoring ability.

[TC]

Jan 15, 2018 15:58:49 GMT -5 jld54 said:

It appears that this player was not a good match. We have more pressing needs at the guard spots — namely players with good instincts, handle and scoring ability.

C'mon - that's not why we passed or why he wasn't a good match. We have 3 scholarships and this kid has a lot of talent and can shoot, which we need. There had to have been another reason other than "he's not a PG". We may not even end up with a pure point next year.

[bigskyhoya]

Jan 15, 2018 16:12:47 GMT -5 TC said:

Jan 15, 2018 15:58:49 GMT -5 jld54 said:

It appears that this player was not a good match. We have more pressing needs at the guard spots — namely players with good instincts, handle and scoring ability.

C'mon - that's not why we passed or why he wasn't a good match. We have 3 scholarships and this kid has a lot of talent and can shoot, which we need. There had to have been another reason other than "he's not a PG". We may not even end up with a pure point next year.

Have to agree. If the reason is he doesn’t play a position of need, why were we in it until the end? There must have been another reason, but the rest is speculation.

[jld54]

Jan 15, 2018 16:24:19 GMT -5 bigskyhoya said:

Jan 15, 2018 16:12:47 GMT -5 TC said:

C'mon - that's not why we passed or why he wasn't a good match. We have 3 scholarships and this kid has a lot of talent and can shoot, which we need. There had to have been another reason other than "he's not a PG". We may not even end up with a pure point next year.

Have to agree. If the reason is he doesn’t play a position of need, why were we in it until the end? There must have been another reason, but the rest is speculation.

My comment was not referencing why he isn’t coming. It is a comment on the impact of his not coming. Put another way, it would’ve been far more damaging if a top 40 guard was in the running, but is not coming to GU.

Why he’s not coming is, frankly, speculation, and irrelevant in the long run.

[EtomicB]

Jan 15, 2018 15:43:11 GMT -5 FrazierFanatic said:

As an aside, just perusing St. John's and Syracuse boards they simply post that Tucker chose Butler over Ewing and Georgetown. That is not the optic we want, so I see nothing wrong with "leaking" (if we did, AND if it is true) that we passed on him.

How did leaking this information change the optics on Tuckers decision?

Imo, it didn't change it at all.. Which is why it was probably better for Standigs source to just move on after the decision to pass was made..

[kettlehill]

Jan 15, 2018 14:55:19 GMT -5 72hoya said:

I trust Patrick’s judgement.

Likewise

[kbones17]

Jan 15, 2018 17:26:13 GMT -5 EtomicB said:

Jan 15, 2018 15:43:11 GMT -5 FrazierFanatic said:

As an aside, just perusing St. John's and Syracuse boards they simply post that Tucker chose Butler over Ewing and Georgetown. That is not the optic we want, so I see nothing wrong with "leaking" (if we did, AND if it is true) that we passed on him.

How did leaking this information change the optics on Tuckers decision?

Imo, it didn't change it at all.. Which is why it was probably better for Standigs source to just move on after the decision to pass was made..

It changes the optics for those few folks like us that follow it closely, and that’s enough for me. We’ve been clamoring for little nuggets of information on this program for years, so IMO this was relevant and interesting info to know. Lets us know we likely didn’t “lose” a one on one recruiting battle with a conference rival and preserves some confidence in the programs decisoveness/direction.

[FrazierFanatic]

Jan 15, 2018 17:26:13 GMT -5 EtomicB said:

Jan 15, 2018 15:43:11 GMT -5 FrazierFanatic said:

As an aside, just perusing St. John's and Syracuse boards they simply post that Tucker chose Butler over Ewing and Georgetown. That is not the optic we want, so I see nothing wrong with "leaking" (if we did, AND if it is true) that we passed on him.

How did leaking this information change the optics on Tuckers decision?

Imo, it didn't change it at all.. Which is why it was probably better for Standigs source to just move on after the decision to pass was made..

Because people in the know realize that Tucker did not choose Butler over the Hoyas. They were the only option left for him.

[Elvado]

And now, for so many reasons, he too is dead to me...

[TC]

Jan 15, 2018 17:26:13 GMT -5 EtomicB said:

Jan 15, 2018 15:43:11 GMT -5 FrazierFanatic said:

As an aside, just perusing St. John's and Syracuse boards they simply post that Tucker chose Butler over Ewing and Georgetown. That is not the optic we want, so I see nothing wrong with "leaking" (if we did, AND if it is true) that we passed on him.

How did leaking this information change the optics on Tuckers decision?

Imo, it didn't change it at all..

You really don't think it changed the optics for our fanbase? Let's say you lose Tucker to Butler after he hangs out in DC for a week and sees what it has to offer and then only hangs out in Butler, IN in the middle of nowhere for a night and decides to go there? How do we feel if we have to sit through losing a fake shift-refreshing decision we weren't even in?

I get that it doesn't change the press narrative. We got it here though.

[Problem of Dog]

Jan 15, 2018 19:22:12 GMT -5 TC said:

Jan 15, 2018 17:26:13 GMT -5 EtomicB said:

How did leaking this information change the optics on Tuckers decision?

Imo, it didn't change it at all..

You really don't think it changed the optics for our fanbase? Let's say you lose Tucker to Butler after he hangs out in DC for a week and sees what it has to offer and then only hangs out in Butler, IN in the middle of nowhere for a night and decides to go there? How do we feel if we have to sit through losing a fake shift-refreshing decision we weren't even in?

I get that it doesn't change the press narrative. We got it here though.

Just to be clear, Butler is in Indianapolis, which is not exactly the middle of nowhere.

There is a Butler, IN, which IS in the middle of nowhere, but it's 160 miles away from Indianapolis.

Also, Jordan Tucker isn't particularly good.

[EtomicB]

Jan 15, 2018 19:22:12 GMT -5 TC said:

Jan 15, 2018 17:26:13 GMT -5 EtomicB said:

How did leaking this information change the optics on Tuckers decision?

Imo, it didn't change it at all..

You really don't think it changed the optics for our fanbase? Let's say you lose Tucker to Butler after he hangs out in DC for a week and sees what it has to offer and then only hangs out in Butler, IN for a night and we have to sit through losing a fake shift-refreshing decision we weren't even in?

I get that it doesn't change the press narrative. We got it here though.

Frazier didn't seem to be speaking from a Hoyaland perspective, I took it that he was speaking about the optics outside the program.. Why else would he bring up what the St. John's & Cuse folks were posting about?

I get that it gives some(most) Hoya fans some relief but for me it's just recruiting and I'd rather not have some fans of a conference peer thinking this way about the Gtown program..

You have to consider whether Georgetown - a program currently so worried about image it scheduled the worst non conf in the history of KenPom to rack up wins, and withdrew from the best early season tournament ever to avoid getting pounded on national TV - leaked some BS after learning he wasn’t coming. We’ll never know I️ guess.

I don't think anyone here is upset at Ewing, but I do have a good amount of skepticism on at least the timing of the leak, if not the validity of it altogether. This year especially, Georgetown and/or Ewing seem to be doing everything they can to avoid making the program and their coach look bad in any way, and that would include getting 2nd to Butler for a recruit. Heck, on your own message board posters are saying they support the leak because "That is not the optic that we want".
Whoever leaked this information didn't do it to save you or me from clicking today


butlerhoops.com/forum/index.php?threads/jordan-tucker-forward-duke-transfer-verbal.1934/page-16

As I posted earlier in the thread, it comes off as petty to me & I'd bet my last dollar that many on this board would be killing Butler if the roles were reversed..

[FrazierFanatic]

It is a fair point that we might be quite skeptical if the situation were reversed - certainly if the claim was AFTER the fact. But that is not the case here. Is it possible that we had advance indications of the decision? Yes. But I don't feel this was a misinformation feed.

[kbones17]

Jan 15, 2018 19:38:57 GMT -5 EtomicB said:

Jan 15, 2018 19:22:12 GMT -5 TC said:

You really don't think it changed the optics for our fanbase? Let's say you lose Tucker to Butler after he hangs out in DC for a week and sees what it has to offer and then only hangs out in Butler, IN for a night and we have to sit through losing a fake shift-refreshing decision we weren't even in?

I get that it doesn't change the press narrative. We got it here though.

Frazier didn't seem to be speaking from a Hoyaland perspective, I took it that he was speaking about the optics outside the program.. Why else would he bring up what the St. John's & Cuse folks were posting about?

I get that it gives some(most) Hoya fans some relief but for me it's just recruiting and I'd rather not have some fans of a conference peer thinking this way about the Gtown program..

You have to consider whether Georgetown - a program currently so worried about image it scheduled the worst non conf in the history of KenPom to rack up wins, and withdrew from the best early season tournament ever to avoid getting pounded on national TV - leaked some BS after learning he wasn’t coming. We’ll never know I️ guess.

I don't think anyone here is upset at Ewing, but I do have a good amount of skepticism on at least the timing of the leak, if not the validity of it altogether. This year especially, Georgetown and/or Ewing seem to be doing everything they can to avoid making the program and their coach look bad in any way, and that would include getting 2nd to Butler for a recruit. Heck, on your own message board posters are saying they support the leak because "That is not the optic that we want".
Whoever leaked this information didn't do it to save you or me from clicking today


butlerhoops.com/forum/index.php?threads/jordan-tucker-forward-duke-transfer-verbal.1934/page-16

As I posted earlier in the thread, it comes off as petty to me & I'd bet my last dollar that many on this board would be killing Butler if the roles were reversed..

Agree to disagree on this one Etomic. I couldn’t care less about what people are posting about this Butler board, just like they shouldn’t care about what we’re posting. And for the record bringing up the non-conference in this context is silly; we’ve taken more heat and criticism on our (admittedly terrible) non-conference than anything.

[EtomicB]

Jan 15, 2018 18:06:14 GMT -5 kbones17 said:

Jan 15, 2018 17:26:13 GMT -5 EtomicB said:

How did leaking this information change the optics on Tuckers decision?

Imo, it didn't change it at all.. Which is why it was probably better for Standigs source to just move on after the decision to pass was made..

It changes the optics for those few folks like us that follow it closely, and that’s enough for me. We’ve been clamoring for little nuggets of information on this program for years, so IMO this was relevant and interesting info to know. Lets us know we likely didn’t “lose” a one on one recruiting battle with a conference rival and preserves some confidence in the programs decisoveness/direction.

Would you really have lost confidence in the direction of the program if you didn't hear that the staff passed on Tucker?

[TC]

Jan 15, 2018 19:38:57 GMT -5 EtomicB said:

As I posted earlier in the thread, it comes off as petty to me & I'd bet my last dollar that many on this board would be killing Butler if the roles were reversed..

Would we? That's the thing I don't get about the Butler reaction - you think that if a top 40 player falls into our laps over the weekend without any prior contact or rumors (first Taylor/butlerhoops.com post was on Thursday), you think we're going to go on the warpath and start bashing on opposing coaches whose programs hosted him before, rather than be ecstatic we just signed a talented kid out of nowhere? Let's say Brian Bowen shows up tomorrow at Georgetown because SC passes - you think the board is going to freak out and be excited, or do you think we'll be slamming Frank Martin?

This kid fell into their laps out of nowhere for a reason. The fact they are too stupid to understand that is on them.

[EtomicB]

Jan 15, 2018 21:35:08 GMT -5 TC said:

Jan 15, 2018 19:38:57 GMT -5 EtomicB said:

As I posted earlier in the thread, it comes off as petty to me & I'd bet my last dollar that many on this board would be killing Butler if the roles were reversed..

Would we? That's the thing I don't get about the Butler reaction - you think that if a top 40 player falls into our laps over the weekend without any prior contact or rumors (first Taylor/butlerhoops.com post was on Thursday), you think we're going to go on the warpath and start bashing on opposing coaches whose programs hosted him before, rather than be ecstatic we just signed a talented kid out of nowhere? Let's say Brian Bowen shows up tomorrow at Georgetown because SC passes - you think the board is going to freak out and be excited, or do you think we'll be slamming Frank Martin?

This kid fell into their laps out of nowhere for a reason. The fact they are too stupid to understand that is on them.

Is it me or did you leave out the Standig information regarding Tucker's recruitment?

Don't you think that point makes a difference in how Butler fans are reacting? And how we would react if roles were reversed?