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Post by saxa69 on Dec 28, 2017 18:45:41 GMT -5
Glide - just to chime in here, I don't mind posting reactions in game as its in the moment, but if its reactions other's analysis, I would condense those in a few posts (ie, an analysis after game, a few in the couple of hours after in reactions to others comments (combined), then the next day). I agree its a little hard to scroll through what you think are others takes on the game and find its the same poster, sometimes hammering home the same point repeatedly in reactions to other's claim for a better PG. You can also quote several posters and react to their posts in one post rather than individually. 14 per 29min seems extreme, I know its not you trying to be inconsiderate What the difference? I can't respond to individual posts? I mean I don't give a cahoot who posts or how many times one posts whatever. Man, I'm on my own time. Now ya'll trying to tell me how to post lol. Damn. You damn right I'ma always hammer down point guard play because that's what I do. Respect it. JTIII respected and finally went out and got one. And mostly everyone else on the Hilltop. Morgan Wooten, Stu Vetter, JTIII, Karl Hobbs, Bonzie Colson, Tom Penders are just a few I've learned the game from. Respect this here. I talk basketball, and sometimes about some of your heads. I never freaking timed myself on responding to other fans comments. This just sounds freaking ridiculous if you ask me. Who in the hell is counting seem like BS. I thumbs up a heck of a lot posts in here everyday, so what are you saying. Take notice. Now chime out. lol I understand that the new haven PG recruit known as TW - 'walked' on 3 (fired) and then said no thanks to PEjr... it is over, just drop it, please! Let us move on on and move forward... With all due respect, John!
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 28, 2017 18:45:58 GMT -5
How is this. He's the leading guard out there. I can on 10 fingers how many times Jessie was open and he didn't feed or JG didn't get any touches. I was Editededdddddddddddddddd. He could've stepped over and took a charge on Martin with 2.6 left on the clock. Go and watch it. if he would have gave it to Jessie they would have doubled him immediately cause there wasn’t any spacing on the perimeter. They needed to go high low with the two bigs BS I was sitting right there Jessie would pick and pop every time and wouldn't even get a touch to kick it back and what have you. He was open every time. A true point guard knows his or her first look is into the post period. Nice try pal. After the Butler big fella fouled Jessie should've had a field day. But our guards didn't recognize this. I'm sick!
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 28, 2017 18:48:01 GMT -5
What the difference? I can't respond to individual posts? I mean I don't give a cahoot who posts or how many times one posts whatever. Man, I'm on my own time. Now ya'll trying to tell me how to post lol. Damn. You damn right I'ma always hammer down point guard play because that's what I do. Respect it. JTIII respected and finally went out and got one. And mostly everyone else on the Hilltop. Morgan Wooten, Stu Vetter, JTIII, Karl Hobbs, Bonzie Colson, Tom Penders are just a few I've learned the game from. Respect this here. I talk basketball, and sometimes about some of your heads. I never freaking timed myself on responding to other fans comments. This just sounds freaking ridiculous if you ask me. Who in the hell is counting seem like BS. I thumbs up a heck of a lot posts in here everyday, so what are you saying. Take notice. Now chime out. lol I understand that the new haven PG recruit known as TW - 'walked' on 3 (fired) and then said no thanks to PEjr... it is over, just drop it, please! Let us move on on and move forward... With all due respect, John! Damn now we can't discuss another point guard? On this board Waters was mentioned several times and not by me. The truth is the truth if you don't like keep on scrolling man okay? No one is complaining. We have moved on duhhhhhhhhhh... some of these people where in the hell do they come from. TW walked on GTown because of it's idiotic fans.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 28, 2017 18:51:42 GMT -5
If the Hoyas would've attacked more they wouldn't have had 20 or 21 turnovers. Shot too many 3's. I disagree. The problem is they did not make enough of the threes. And sadly it seems we don’t have talent to do that consistently. But basketball is all about the three now a days. You can disagree all you want. Obviously you don't understand this game of basketball if you shot 7/22 in three's simply means at some point you should've stop shooting and attacked the basket or fed the post to get to the free throw line. No, basketball is about playing the right way and not just jacking up shots. #donthatetheplaya #dontknockmyhustle
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 28, 2017 18:57:39 GMT -5
No one "chased Tremont Waters away". Waters was attracted to the Hilltop with promises of an uptempo offense built around him, but over the course of last season saw the deterioration of JTIII's Hoyas and was spooked. Although fans were calling for JTIII's head, I can't recall a single post here or on Casual criticizing Waters (outside of criticizing his eventual decision to decommit). If anything, the offense that Ewing has instituted is much more suited to Waters than anything that came before. Its unfortunate that Waters chose to move on instead of giving Ewing a chance (this team with Waters as PG would be 12-0), but he did. Ewing is clearly looking to bring in a PG or PGs in that mold, but this year really has no other options but Mulmore and Dickerson. BS. Once TW found out JTIII was about to go he pulled out. How could Casual criticize TW? lol Fans scared TW away. Yeah we'd probably be 12-0 with TW. Agree on that.
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Post by bornhoya on Dec 28, 2017 19:02:23 GMT -5
if he would have gave it to Jessie they would have doubled him immediately cause there wasn’t any spacing on the perimeter. They needed to go high low with the two bigs BS I was sitting right there Jessie would pick and pop every time and wouldn't even get a touch to kick it back and what have you. He was open every time. A true point guard knows his or her first look is into the post period. Nice try pal. After the Butler big fella fouled Jessie should've had a field day. But our guards didn't recognize this. I'm sick! he had his back to the basket how could he pick and pop
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Post by mfk24 on Dec 28, 2017 20:00:14 GMT -5
Just explain or show me how I can do this. I don't want people think I'm intentionally doing something wrong or inconsiderate. That's not me. Thanks. Glide - just to chime in here, I don't mind posting reactions in game as its in the moment, but if its reactions other's analysis, I would condense those in a few posts (ie, an analysis after game, a few in the couple of hours after in reactions to others comments (combined), then the next day). I agree its a little hard to scroll through what you think are others takes on the game and find its the same poster, sometimes hammering home the same point repeatedly in reactions to other's claim for a better PG. You can also quote several posters and react to their posts in one post rather than individually. 14 per 29min seems extreme, I know its not you trying to be inconsiderate At least you tried Jester. Glide's gonna do what he wants, how he wants. Clearly he's the only one that knows anything about basketball and his opinion is the only one that's right. Ignore is your friend. Slightly disjointed but without all the clutter.
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Post by hoyarooter on Dec 28, 2017 20:17:29 GMT -5
I disagree. The problem is they did not make enough of the threes. And sadly it seems we don’t have talent to do that consistently. But basketball is all about the three now a days. You can disagree all you want. Obviously you don't understand this game of basketball if you shot 7/22 in three's simply means at some point you should've stop shooting and attacked the basket or fed the post to get to the free throw line. No, basketball is about playing the right way and not just jacking up shots. #donthatetheplaya #dontknockmyhustle But weren't we 5-11 on 3's in the first half? So we took the same number of 3's in the last 30 minutes as we took in the first 20 minutes. The problem, though, was when we took the 3's. I was just following the game on my computer, but it seemed like in the last 5 or 6 minutes of regulation, about 3/4 of our shots were 3's. It appeared to me that at that point in the game, when it got close, we panicked and resorted to jacking up 3's. So I agree with your premise, but only as to that part of the game. Not to beat a dead horse, but perhaps if we had been challenged in a couple more of our OOC games, we would have responded better in this one. Oh, and please, please, don't tell everyone who disagrees with you in any way that they don't know anything about basketball. Please? That's what got me going in the other thread, and I didn't even disagree with your premise. Who could? We need a good point guard.
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Post by hobokenhoya on Dec 28, 2017 20:45:41 GMT -5
No one "chased Tremont Waters away". Waters was attracted to the Hilltop with promises of an uptempo offense built around him, but over the course of last season saw the deterioration of JTIII's Hoyas and was spooked. Although fans were calling for JTIII's head, I can't recall a single post here or on Casual criticizing Waters (outside of criticizing his eventual decision to decommit). If anything, the offense that Ewing has instituted is much more suited to Waters than anything that came before. Its unfortunate that Waters chose to move on instead of giving Ewing a chance (this team with Waters as PG would be 12-0), but he did. Ewing is clearly looking to bring in a PG or PGs in that mold, but this year really has no other options but Mulmore and Dickerson. BS. Once TW found out JTIII was about to go he pulled out. How could Casual criticize TW? lol Fans scared TW away. Yeah we'd probably be 12-0 with TW. Agree on that. Can I get your blow connect for nye? Wowza!
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Post by miracles87 on Dec 28, 2017 21:07:50 GMT -5
I wasn't able to focus 1000% on the game, as I was watching it at, um, work, but. It was clear that Butler was a different team in the 2nd half. They were much more aggressive and, subsequently, effective, and we couldn't quite hold them off. Our guard play suffered when they started making baskets and pressing, and were also much more active in half court D. Blair was really great in the first half, and I can understand Coach sticking with him through thick and thin, but Mulmore really gets going too fast for his own good, and his handling skills can't keep up. There is nothing wrong with Coach's approach, he is going to let Mulmore work through it, and I imagine other times it will be Mosely down the stretch. Everybody's learning, everybody's in it together. We seem well coached and well prepared, and as much as I love JTIII, and never personally wanted him to leave, I do think we are playing with some organization and purpose we haven't had the last two years. It's all good, looking forward to Saturday, we'll start holding those leads before you know it. Govan and Derrickson, to me, look like a potentially Nationally relevant front court.
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Post by miracles87 on Dec 28, 2017 21:33:43 GMT -5
His best combination was DSR-Starks. I'll take Freeman and Wright every day, and twice on Sundays.
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Post by hoyainla on Dec 28, 2017 21:51:29 GMT -5
Old dog, new tricks issue. Porter and Green were versatile enough to get you buckets when needed. Govan and Derrickson need to be fed. Pat will have the required horses, but it may take another recruiting class or two. Are we sure clearing one side of the floor and having derrickson at the 3 point line and Jessie on the block playing a 2 man game won't work? I guess it would require a shooter but Blair could be that guy
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Post by the_way on Dec 29, 2017 1:58:01 GMT -5
His best combination was DSR-Starks. I'll take Freeman and Wright every day, and twice on Sundays. I was talking about versatility in the backcourt. DSR and Starks were interchangeable parts. Freeman and Wright were not. In fact, Wright was the primary ballhandler for the bulk of his career because we didn't have anybody else. Again, another issue with III's recruiting. Wright didn't have the luxury to possibly grow and expand other parts of his game. He didn't have another backcourt mate to take the load off of him. Except maybe his sophomore year with Jessie Sapp. (And we saw how that turned out. ).
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Post by richfame on Dec 29, 2017 7:48:43 GMT -5
I think the Hoyas should be proud of themselves. They competed the whole game, and I feel every player is giving max effort. I feel like we are building towards something and everyone's on board.
Things are a lot different than last year. Look at dereckson. He was not giving his All last year, got in foul trouble, and had a bad look on his face. This year he's determined, and clearly has a mission and playing to his potential. Also look how much better KJ is playing in this new system.
Yes we lost a tough game we should have won. I hate moral victories but in this case we're building something and I really like what I see.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 29, 2017 8:06:04 GMT -5
BS. Once TW found out JTIII was about to go he pulled out. How could Casual criticize TW? lol Fans scared TW away. Yeah we'd probably be 12-0 with TW. Agree on that. Can I get your blow connect for nye? Wowza! Foolish?
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 29, 2017 8:08:28 GMT -5
BS I was sitting right there Jessie would pick and pop every time and wouldn't even get a touch to kick it back and what have you. He was open every time. A true point guard knows his or her first look is into the post period. Nice try pal. After the Butler big fella fouled Jessie should've had a field day. But our guards didn't recognize this. I'm sick! he had his back to the basket how could he pick and pop At the top of the key Jessie sets a screen and rolls out with hardly anyone on him guards don't see him or even look his way. Okay? Got it?
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 29, 2017 8:15:33 GMT -5
I'll take Freeman and Wright every day, and twice on Sundays. I was talking about versatility in the backcourt. DSR and Starks were interchangeable parts. Freeman and Wright were not. In fact, Wright was the primary ballhandler for the bulk of his career because we didn't have anybody else. Again, another issue with III's recruiting. Wright didn't have the luxury to possibly grow and expand other parts of his game. He didn't have another backcourt mate to take the load off of him. Except maybe his sophomore year with Jessie Sapp. (And we saw how that turned out. ). Freeman and Wright were cool. Yes, CW was the primary ballhandler for the bulk of his career, but we had Jessie Sapp as a senior while CW was a freshman or sophomore? Anyways, I didn't like the way JTIII threw Sapp under the bus Jessie's senior year. Jessie was ready to lead the charge. He'd play so good during Kenner and had developed into the point guard he was suppose to be. I couldn't believe what had happened. Then there was some friction in the locker room about this. I'm still smh because I knew Jessie was ready to lead. So, if Jessie would've ran the point CW could've learned from him. We also needed a point guard coach to be honest. CW didn't help groom Starks. See what I'm saying. If things were done the right way we could've seen better results. We all know how tough Jessie was and made good decisions on the ball. I didn't forget!!!!
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 29, 2017 8:17:31 GMT -5
Derrickson had no business checking Martin with 2.6 left. Martin is toooooooooo good man to man. In a zone this game would've went the other way. And yes with 21 turnovers lol.
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Post by vamosalaplaya on Dec 29, 2017 9:25:07 GMT -5
Let me just say I blocked GlideHoya, and while there are lots of hidden posts, the quality of the experience on this board just rose dramatically.
I think having a series of sets where Derrickson and/or Govan must touch the ball - and clearly having the ball tossed inside is too difficult at this point, so it will involve having one of them pop out - to calm the team down - or the guards, anyway - is the right approach. It's common basketball technique. Make sure your best players touch the ball on every big possession. Hell it's in cement in the NBA. I also agree that having Mosely out there is critical. In big spots now the Hoyas don't need the guards to make plays, or shouldn't expect to anyway. They need Govan and Derrickson to be options number one and two - in whatever order - and everyone else is number three.
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Post by beenaround on Dec 29, 2017 11:04:42 GMT -5
Again...if the team could get STOPS in the second half, or even some turnovers, we could actually run up the floor and not face a zone for 20 minutes straight.
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