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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 11, 2017 16:25:44 GMT -5
Win this game and we are in the top 25 by the Butler game. I disagree. After Doug Doughty gave us a vote last week, in this week's poll we are back down to 0 votes. Beating Syracuse might get us a little more attention, and maybe even some votes (largely driven by seeing that we are undefeated and ignorance about who we have played), but with the schedule being so weak, I think most voters will hesitate to put us top 25 before we face the Big East.* In the Big East alone, St. John's and Creighton would likely be considered better than we are for now. I love our team but we have no business being in the top 25 if we beat Syracuse. If we beat Syracuse we will have: - Beat one team ranked 50-100 - Beat one team ranked 200-250 - Beat seven teams ranked 300-350 In this context being undefeated is really meaningless. Many, many, other teams would also be undefeated with this schedule. Beating Syracuse would be a good win for sure, but one good win doesn't make top 25. And we are projected to be about a 47% chance to win. So, while a win would be really nice, it wouldn't be unexpected by any stretch. This is not the caliber of Syracuse team we've faced in past years in recent history. However, I will say to a degree the rankings are silly. It's nice to get the attention of being in the top 25, but unlike football, they have little to no impact on the team's post-season. * This assumes voters are mostly knowledgeable, which may be a bad assumption.
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Post by guru on Dec 11, 2017 16:45:39 GMT -5
Win this game and we are in the top 25 by the Butler game. I disagree. After Doug Doughty gave us a vote last week, in this week's poll we are back down to 0 votes. Beating Syracuse might get us a little more attention, and maybe even some votes (largely driven by seeing that we are undefeated and ignorance about who we have played), but with the schedule being so weak, I think most voters will hesitate to put us top 25 before we face the Big East.* In the Big East alone, St. John's and Creighton would likely be considered better than we are for now. I love our team but we have no business being in the top 25 if we beat Syracuse. If we beat Syracuse we will have: - Beat one team ranked 50-100 - Beat one team ranked 200-250 - Beat seven teams ranked 300-350 In this context being undefeated is really meaningless. Many, many, other teams would also be undefeated with this schedule. Beating Syracuse would be a good win for sure, but one good win doesn't make top 25. And we are projected to be about a 47% chance to win. So, while a win would be really nice, it wouldn't be unexpected by any stretch. This is not the caliber of Syracuse team we've faced in past years in recent history. However, I will say to a degree the rankings are silly. It's nice to get the attention of being in the top 25, but unlike football, they have little to no impact on the team's post-season. * This assumes voters are mostly knowledgeable, which may be a bad assumption. Short version: Rankings are silly. Being undefeated against this schedule is meaningless. Nothing matters, but I'm going to post about this anyway.
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Post by MassHoya on Dec 11, 2017 16:46:35 GMT -5
Now we are getting somewhere!!!! Tell us how you really feel about the Orange Peril.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2017 19:23:07 GMT -5
There's no reason we can't win this game. They don't have any more talent than we do.
Ty Battle is quality, Brissett looks like he'll be a good one (& he's friends w/ Jahvon Blair), and Howard is serviceable.
Chukwu is a stiff and everybody else is chaff.
Of course, we aren't great against quick guards (so not a good matchup there) and we don't know how most of our guys will respond against a legit opponent.
But I don't think this is nearly as tough a game as we'll see versus the upper half of our conference.
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Post by kettlehill on Dec 11, 2017 20:07:24 GMT -5
Jessie especially has been outstanding at flashing to the FT line and finishing or passing. He's the one I'd expect to see in that high post role most this game, especially with his shockingly fast and accurate turnaround at the FT line so far. At 6'10, nobody's blocking that shot, so he'll have it until Cuse starts to focus on taking that away. We'll see whether we can beat them when they collapse the zone to deny the entry pass there. O WhT I hav noticed about Jesse that I had not seen before is his quick release. Seems to me that whoever the opposition, this will serve him well: I think he may be the real deal. As to the foul line jumper- how good was Otto- both Jesse and Marcus can get it done vs the Orange zone
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Post by bamahoya11 on Dec 11, 2017 21:18:34 GMT -5
I am looking forward to going to the game. It should be the first "big game" atmosphere of the Ewing era at Georgetown, and with a national tv audience watching, it's a chance to slowly start to turn the narrative around about this program. If Georgetown can win this game, I think the story of Patrick Ewing beating Boeheim and Syracuse would be the story of the weekend. For Georgetown fans, it'd be a special afternoon for a program that hasn't had many of them in recent years. It might not be the Duke game of the early JTIII era, but it would be a nice moment for the program.
That being said, I think we have to resist the temptation to read too much into this game. The Syracuse game hasn't exactly been predictive of success in recent years. Despite having their number, we have still struggled in league play. Nonetheless, I do think how we play in this game will answer some questions about where our team stands right now.
For one, we should know after this game whether Govan and Derrickson are capable of anchoring a legitimate Big East front court. Can Govan continue to score from a wide range and rebound with authority? Can Derrickson hit the three, pound it inside, and allow us to sub in and go smaller at times? We have seen Govan dominate so far, along with Derrickson, but now they will have to do it against markedly different competition. They will also have to avoid foul trouble against tougher opponents.
To beat Syracuse, some other players will need to step up. We will need "good" Pickett, and as a freshman, it's hard to predict how he will do. I could see the big game atmosphere bringing out the best in him. But this game will probably hinge on guard play. I hope Jagan can show some of the poise he showed last weekend against NC A&T. Although Mulmore had a couple of good games, I think Jagan is quickly overtaking him. Finally, we will need Kaleb to contribute. I've been impressed by his improvement on the offensive end, but we will need a lot more out of him on Saturday.
I think we are capable of winning this game. I don't know if we will. I think a competitive game, even if we lose, bodes well for at least an interesting run through league play. A blowout would obviously show, once and for all, how far we still have to go. The guys seem dialed in right now though. I expect their best on Saturday.
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Post by bigelephant on Dec 12, 2017 5:26:23 GMT -5
Too much pressure on both teams. It will be a nasty game - I just hope we win.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 12, 2017 8:35:52 GMT -5
I am looking forward to going to the game. It should be the first "big game" atmosphere of the Ewing era at Georgetown, and with a national tv audience watching, it's a chance to slowly start to turn the narrative around about this program. If Georgetown can win this game, I think the story of Patrick Ewing beating Boeheim and Syracuse would be the story of the weekend. For Georgetown fans, it'd be a special afternoon for a program that hasn't had many of them in recent years. It might not be the Duke game of the early JTIII era, but it would be a nice moment for the program. That being said, I think we have to resist the temptation to read too much into this game. The Syracuse game hasn't exactly been predictive of success in recent years. Despite having their number, we have still struggled in league play. Nonetheless, I do think how we play in this game will answer some questions about where our team stands right now. For one, we should know after this game whether Govan and Derrickson are capable of anchoring a legitimate Big East front court. Can Govan continue to score from a wide range and rebound with authority? Can Derrickson hit the three, pound it inside, and allow us to sub in and go smaller at times? We have seen Govan dominate so far, along with Derrickson, but now they will have to do it against markedly different competition. They will also have to avoid foul trouble against tougher opponents. To beat Syracuse, some other players will need to step up. We will need "good" Pickett, and as a freshman, it's hard to predict how he will do. I could see the big game atmosphere bringing out the best in him. But this game will probably hinge on guard play. I hope Jagan can show some of the poise he showed last weekend against NC A&T. Although Mulmore had a couple of good games, I think Jagan is quickly overtaking him. Finally, we will need Kaleb to contribute. I've been impressed by his improvement on the offensive end, but we will need a lot more out of him on Saturday. I think we are capable of winning this game. I don't know if we will. I think a competitive game, even if we lose, bodes well for at least an interesting run through league play. A blowout would obviously show, once and for all, how far we still have to go. The guys seem dialed in right now though. I expect their best on Saturday. Hopefully, our DEFENSE will be strong (communication/point communication). Guards will be to play smart and tough.
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Post by calhoya on Dec 12, 2017 9:16:02 GMT -5
B ut this game will probably hinge on guard play. I hope Jagan can show some of the poise he showed last weekend against NC A&T. Although Mulmore had a couple of good games, I think Jagan is quickly overtaking him. Finally, we will need Kaleb to contribute. I've been impressed by his improvement on the offensive end, but we will need a lot more out of him on Saturday. Totally agree that this game will come down to the guards. Syracuse knows how to play zone and I fully expect that they will pack it in unless and until the Hoyas show that they can hit from deep. Kaleb and Pickett are not likely going to be left wide open for spot -up 3s. That leaves the guards, unless you sacrifice the rebounding that Govan and MD provide underneath. As to Mulmore, Mosley, Dickerson and Blair it really seems to be a toss-up and the coach should go with the hot hand. Mulmore and Dickerson can push the tempo, and Blair appears to have the best outside shot, though season stats would say Mulmore. Mosley has disappointed me a little as I thought he would be this year's breakout player (it has been Kaleb) and so far he has shown the same strengths and weaknesses as last year. Hopefully the last game was a start.
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Post by seaweed on Dec 12, 2017 9:36:44 GMT -5
Softest team we will play all year - softer than any other on our "weak" schedule. Size and talent can't make up for being SOFT.
While guards will have to feed the high post and hit open jumpers, at the end of the day, this will be a test of whether Doc and Jessie can handle the soft pressure once they get the ball at the foul line. If soft double teams disrupt them and cause turnovers, will be in for a long afternoon. If they move the ball quickly, which I think they will, we should be able to slice and dice their soft zone.
Did I mention they are soft, like Laurie Fine's morals, like Boeheim's spine, like Gerry Mac's itty-bitty punches and Fab Melo's grading scale? Soft all over. Soft.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Dec 12, 2017 10:16:36 GMT -5
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 12, 2017 10:42:32 GMT -5
Softest team we will play all year - softer than any other on our "weak" schedule. Size and talent can't make up for being SOFT. While guards will have to feed the high post and hit open jumpers, at the end of the day, this will be a test of whether Doc and Jessie can handle the soft pressure once they get the ball at the foul line. If soft double teams disrupt them and cause turnovers, will be in for a long afternoon. If they move the ball quickly, which I think they will, we should be able to slice and dice their soft zone. Did I mention they are soft, like Laurie Fine's morals, like Boeheim's spine, like Gerry Mac's itty-bitty punches and Fab Melo's grading scale? Soft all over. Soft. 1 2 3 Fireballs Move the ball from side to side to shift the 2-3 and attack the paint on the angles. Stay low with the ball. Push the rock. Try as much as possible to not let Cuse set up their defense.
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 12, 2017 10:44:31 GMT -5
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Post by the_way on Dec 12, 2017 11:30:26 GMT -5
Finally, a game worth watching.
I got love for the MEAC, but....man....lol.
Intrigued by this. Want to see how we stack up.
We might get blown out, we might win. Who knows.
It will good for the players and coach Ewing.
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Post by drquigley on Dec 12, 2017 14:28:34 GMT -5
I guess this is really why this game will be so much "fun". I can't think of another game we've played over the last 10 years where I had absolutely no idea what to expect. There were games I was too optimistic going in and there were games where I dreaded the matchup. But I can't remember a game where I had absolutely no clue. Moreover, this could be one of those games where win or lose (unless by a large margin) we still won't have a good idea of our team's abilities afterwards. As a result, the more I think about it this game could easily be classified as "bizarre".
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Post by bigskyhoya on Dec 12, 2017 16:30:25 GMT -5
Unless Cuse plays badly, it is clear we will have to play much better than we have to win this game. The unknowable is whether this team has another gear we haven't yet seen.
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 12, 2017 19:14:44 GMT -5
www.syracuse.com/orangebasketball/index.ssf/2017/12/syracuse_freshman_bourama_sidibe_frustrated_by_sore_knee_and_twisted_ankle.htmlSo how does the Orange have an 8-1 record while beating teams by an average of 10.6 points per game? There are a couple different answers to this question (again with help from KenPom.com):
Syracuse keeps the ball. The Orange is the second-best offensive rebounding team in the country, grabbing 41.6 percent of its misses. Thanks to its rebounding and the turnovers it forces, SU ends up with about eight more possessions per game than its opponents.
While SU gives up a lot of 3s, they're very stingy inside the arc. SU is allowing its opponents a field-goal percentage of only 41.6 percent. That's 13th in Division I. Helping SU's defensive effort and the possession point above is the fact that the Orange comes up with a steal on 13.9 percent of opponent's possessions.
The key for Syracuse going forward is to keep hitting the offensive glass, force turnovers and defend inside the arc. Making some of its own 3-pointers would also help ease the burden.This stat scares me, Gtown has to protect it's glass.. May be a good idea to have all five players involved..
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Dec 13, 2017 8:17:23 GMT -5
All five players should be involved on every rebound!!!
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Dec 13, 2017 9:27:40 GMT -5
www.syracuse.com/orangebasketball/index.ssf/2017/12/syracuse_freshman_bourama_sidibe_frustrated_by_sore_knee_and_twisted_ankle.htmlSo how does the Orange have an 8-1 record while beating teams by an average of 10.6 points per game? There are a couple different answers to this question (again with help from KenPom.com):
Syracuse keeps the ball. The Orange is the second-best offensive rebounding team in the country, grabbing 41.6 percent of its misses. Thanks to its rebounding and the turnovers it forces, SU ends up with about eight more possessions per game than its opponents.
While SU gives up a lot of 3s, they're very stingy inside the arc. SU is allowing its opponents a field-goal percentage of only 41.6 percent. That's 13th in Division I. Helping SU's defensive effort and the possession point above is the fact that the Orange comes up with a steal on 13.9 percent of opponent's possessions.
The key for Syracuse going forward is to keep hitting the offensive glass, force turnovers and defend inside the arc. Making some of its own 3-pointers would also help ease the burden.This stat scares me, Gtown has to protect it's glass.. May be a good idea to have all five players involved.. The thing is the hoyas have actually been pretty good on the boards statistically. A lot of that is competition, but they haven't been bad. We're 44th nationally in defensive rebounding and 25th in offensive rebounding. I'm more worried about the fact that Syracuse is 4th nationally in steals and we've been pretty sloppy with the ball (207th in protecting the ball)
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Post by glidehoyas (Inactive) on Dec 13, 2017 11:34:41 GMT -5
All five players should be involved on every rebound!!! I disagree. Our point guard needs to stay back and get back in case of Cuse's fast breaks. We've had enough of our players not getting back on defense especially our guards in the past and our opponents scoring easy transition baskets. Hoyas must COMMUNICATE and POINT COMMUNICATE big time.
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