GIGAFAN99
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Dec 10, 2017 10:22:13 GMT -5
Obviously this is the test of everything - PE, the OOC schedule, the players, in short - the program. I'm not very impressed with what I've seen of Syracuse so this isn't like our BE opener against Butler but a win (especially a solid double digit win) will go a long way toward letting us finally exhale. If you expect a double digit win you may be in for a let down dr q. Syracuse has some issues, but they are still a solid team, and they have a guy who has proven he can coach. We are still a team that can't expect to sniff .500 in our conference, we have a lot of youth learning new systems and each other. While this game will be a good snapshot of where the team really is right now, it is not the test of everything. Agreed. This game is all part of the process. Syracuse isn't good nor bad enough to be a signal for anything else and it's still early. Of course it would be nice (ok more than nice) to beat the Orange but we did that the last two years and then proceeded to go 3-17 in Feb/March. So it's a big game but we are still only a month into Pat's tenure regardless of what happens Saturday.
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Post by grandmahoya on Dec 10, 2017 10:42:47 GMT -5
Cupcake games or not, we are now receiving votes in the AP poll. The Hoyas at 8-0 have a bit of a swagger. If we beat Cuse next week, our poll #'s go up maybe to top 30 or better and Patrick looks like a genius. I, for one, can't wait!
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drquigley
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Post by drquigley on Dec 10, 2017 12:27:59 GMT -5
If you expect a double digit win you may be in for a let down dr q. Syracuse has some issues, but they are still a solid team, and they have a guy who has proven he can coach. We are still a team that can't expect to sniff .500 in our conference, we have a lot of youth learning new systems and each other. While this game will be a good snapshot of where the team really is right now, it is not the test of everything. Agreed. This game is all part of the process. Syracuse isn't good nor bad enough to be a signal for anything else and it's still early. Of course it would be nice (ok more than nice) to beat the Orange but we did that the last two years and then proceeded to go 3-17 in Feb/March. So it's a big game but we are still only a month into Pat's tenure regardless of what happens Saturday. Please note, I don't expect a double digit win but was just saying it would be nice -- and go a long way to letting us exhale a little -- if we did have a comfortable win over Syracuse. Face it, everyone on this board has been holding their breath waiting to see how a team that was 5-13 in the BE last year and lost its two leading scorers was going to fare this year. The cupcake wins let us exhale a little (a loss or two and bodies would be flying off Copley roof) and a win over Syracuse will help us relax a lot more. Sure, games against top tier BE teams will be the only true test of how far we've come but Syracuse is truly the first mile marker on the road back to respectability.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Dec 10, 2017 12:46:26 GMT -5
Fair enough. It could certainly signal that we are a little farther along than expected.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Dec 10, 2017 12:48:48 GMT -5
Syracuse. Unless there are weather issues, there will be a good crowd. True. I'm not concerned about the number, but rather whether Hoya fans will constitute a solid majority. Fan support has been abysmal this season. The schedule is part of that, but another part has been the gradual erosion of our fan base over the last couple of seasons. Opposing fans always show up (even A&T had a big contingent yesterday) because it's their only chance to see their team this year in DC. I'll be there, I know that. Good point, Syracuse fans have always tried to have a very strong presence. Hopefully this is the one Hoya fans have been waiting for and will come out in force.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 10, 2017 13:21:42 GMT -5
Cupcake games or not, we are now receiving votes in the AP poll. The Hoyas at 8-0 have a bit of a swagger. If we beat Cuse next week, our poll #'s go up maybe to top 30 or better and Patrick looks like a genius. I, for one, can't wait! Given the ridicule and scorn heaped on the one writer who did give us votes, I wouldn’t expect any further traction for us in the AP poll now, even if we beat Syracuse. I love our team and would love for us to be ranked at some point this year, but our current body of work - even with a Syracuse win - doesn’t rise to that level yet.
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SDHoya
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Post by SDHoya on Dec 10, 2017 14:09:24 GMT -5
Syracuse is currently a top 25 RPI team. If we beat them we have decent chance of picking up a few more votes--although I agree it will not get us into the top 25.
Really looking forward to this one. Honestly have no idea what to expect, but this will be the first time we'll know whether there is hope for the season, or whether we are in for a long slog.
Plus, the chance to beat Cuse.
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MassHoya
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Post by MassHoya on Dec 10, 2017 15:28:46 GMT -5
I am very disappointed how civil this discussion has been up to now. This is Syrapuke, the evil empire, Donald Trump to Democrats, Obama to Republicans, all that is bad and wrong with the world. Where is the emotion? Where are the disparaging and insulting comments? Nothing about Jimmy Behind? Geez. Never forget you can't spell SUcks without SU. GO HOYAS!!! Beat the Orange.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Dec 10, 2017 16:18:36 GMT -5
I predicted the Hoyas to win by double digits. Of course, I always predict the Hoyas to win AND espcially against the evil cuse. Having said that, I was surprised by the optimism (of other posters) given the moan and groan attitudes that have pervaded this board about the schedule and our overall ability to play bball.
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MassHoya
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Post by MassHoya on Dec 10, 2017 16:26:32 GMT -5
I predicted the Hoyas to win by double digits. Of course, I always predict the Hoyas to win AND espcially against the evil cuse. Having said that, I was surprised by the optimism (of other posters) given the moan and groan attitudes that have pervaded this board about the schedule and our overall ability to play bball. Better but not there yet.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Dec 10, 2017 16:30:03 GMT -5
The Hoyas dropped another seven places in the Sagarin rankings, but that puts them between Uconn and UW. The Hoyas are now 93rd. Syracuse is 40th. We are one of seven undefeated teams, so we have to protect that record vs the cuse.
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zxhoya
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Post by zxhoya on Dec 10, 2017 21:24:00 GMT -5
Pickett has to start stepping up. If Pat's gonna give him 25 minutes (30+ when the bench shrinks in close games), he's gotta start putting up starter's numbers. I know he's a FR, but this is what he's been promised. So far Pickett's giving us right around what LJ did his FR year, minus LJ's good 1st & last games. That wasn't good. And there are far more holes on this team. If we hadn't played 8 cupcakes to this point, I think it'd be more of an issue. Now that the real games are beginning, he needs more than just 2 or 3 "there's the upside" moments per game. What I like about Pickett most is his ability to get any shot he wants and he gets the shots easily, they just aren't falling. I believe his future is very bright but we may.... will have to wait for for his physical and mental development which is to be expected. He does have a lot of KD in his game.
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Post by hoyazeke on Dec 10, 2017 22:05:27 GMT -5
Who is gonna be our zone buster? Who is the player that can hit the jump shot from the foul line that will put stress on their 2-3 zone? It really needs to be Marko or Kaleb. I don't think Marcus or Jessie can make the plays consistently to pull off the W but if Kaleb is on he can be the difference........
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dense
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Post by dense on Dec 11, 2017 6:17:25 GMT -5
Whats funny is we are the only team where our best 3pt shooters are big men. alnost would be an advantage to play reverse. have Kaleb at the foul line and Pickett running baseline on an overload.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Dec 11, 2017 8:40:02 GMT -5
Who is gonna be our zone buster? Who is the player that can hit the jump shot from the foul line that will put stress on their 2-3 zone? It really needs to be Marko or Kaleb. I don't think Marcus or Jessie can make the plays consistently to pull off the W but if Kaleb is on he can be the difference........ Not Kaleb. It takes him too long to settle himself for his jumper. That can work on the perimeter, but against the Orangeboy zone you need to be able to catch and shoot at the foul line. Jamarko can do it if he is hitting. Jessie has that shot as well.
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Post by bostonfan on Dec 11, 2017 9:35:57 GMT -5
Pickett has to start stepping up. If Pat's gonna give him 25 minutes (30+ when the bench shrinks in close games), he's gotta start putting up starter's numbers. I know he's a FR, but this is what he's been promised. So far Pickett's giving us right around what LJ did his FR year, minus LJ's good 1st & last games. That wasn't good. And there are far more holes on this team. If we hadn't played 8 cupcakes to this point, I think it'd be more of an issue. Now that the real games are beginning, he needs more than just 2 or 3 "there's the upside" moments per game. What I like about Pickett most is his ability to get any shot he wants and he gets the shots easily, they just aren't falling. I believe his future is very bright but we may.... will have to wait for for his physical and mental development which is to be expected. He does have a lot of KD in his game. I think that if the Hoyas are going to exceed preseason expectations this season, that Pickett will need to develop into a reliable third/fourth scoring option. Teams are going to start really focusing on stopping Govan, and teams with better front courts will have some success slowing him down. That means that Derrickson, Johnson and Pickett need to pick up the scoring to offset any decrease in Jessie's point production. It can be a little frustrating at times now watching Pickett take quite a few more shots than Marcus or Kaleb, but he needs to maintain that aggressiveness and confidence if he is going to develop into the consistent scorer they need him to be. I have to believe the staff is seeing that potential to be a big time scorer in practice or he would not be getting as many opportunities and now he just needs to translate that potential into consistent game time performance. If he and Blair can become the dependable outside shooters that the team needs, then this team becomes much tougher to defend. It is a lot to ask of two freshman, but both have shown glimpses of that ability. We will see how it goes over the next few games and into conference play.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Dec 11, 2017 10:08:20 GMT -5
It's a travesty that we can't get consistent offense out of the Mulmore-Dickerson-Mosely triumvirate. That may cap our upside this season.
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Post by This Just In on Dec 11, 2017 11:02:44 GMT -5
Georgetown 78 Syracuse 77
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Post by seaweed on Dec 11, 2017 11:03:34 GMT -5
Against the Howard zone, we flashed guys to the foul line, a refreshing change from guys drifting in and out of there as before. In several instances, we executed what appeared to be almost 'timing patterns' where a big would 'cut' up from the baseline, the pass from top of the key would arrive right when the cutter did and the shot or pass to the low post would happen more or less instantly. MORE OF THIS. We can be much more effective if we maintain an aggressive pace of play against a big but not super-quick SUcker zone and MD and JG at least appear to have practiced getting off that foul line jumper very quickly. In fact, that is one of the things they have looked most consistent at this early season, almost like they practiced in for one reason or another. Since the SUcker zone hasn't changed 1% since PE played against it, not surprising that he might have some strategies for conquering it.
Not one for inflated, unrealistic expectations, but 1000% hoping that the team carries whatever swagger they have earned into this game, controls the ball and sends us all an early Christmas Message card on Saturday.
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Dec 11, 2017 11:16:36 GMT -5
Jessie especially has been outstanding at flashing to the FT line and finishing or passing. He's the one I'd expect to see in that high post role most this game, especially with his shockingly fast and accurate turnaround at the FT line so far. At 6'10, nobody's blocking that shot, so he'll have it until Cuse starts to focus on taking that away. We'll see whether we can beat them when they collapse the zone to deny the entry pass there.
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