Hoyaholic
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Post by Hoyaholic on Dec 15, 2017 3:43:03 GMT -5
I have supported Ewing, and plan to continue to do so, but I do not like his glib responses about the schedule like this. If, instead, he merely meant that his philosophy is to schedule the worst non-conference schedule ever, then that's a really bad thing for Georgetown. And if he continues to schedule like this, he will be sealing his own fate because he's going to make it virtually impossible to succeed in March because he won't get there (or if he does, it'll be a really bad seed). Personally, I hope he changes this philosophy because I don't want to waste the next 4-5 years. I love it. Anything that makes angry nerds' heads explode I'm for. The guy had to recruit 3/4 of the incoming class, find a grad transfer point guard, a transfer shooter and hire an entire staff, and people are asking "But what's about youse RPIs and SOS?" I hope he says the schedule was too challenging so Goodman passes out. Agreed, fellow non-angry nerd!! Pat is the first coach ever to take over a program in transition! By completely abdicating one part of his job, he has shown us all the way! Just look at how the fans have responded by attending these strategically scheduled home games in the dozens!!! Dilly Dilly!!
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Dec 15, 2017 5:52:32 GMT -5
I love it. Anything that makes angry nerds' heads explode I'm for. The guy had to recruit 3/4 of the incoming class, find a grad transfer point guard, a transfer shooter and hire an entire staff, and people are asking "But what's about youse RPIs and SOS?" I hope he says the schedule was too challenging so Goodman passes out. Agreed, fellow non-angry nerd!! Pat is the first coach ever to take over a program in transition! By completely abdicating one part of his job, he has shown us all the way! Just look at how the fans have responded by attending these strategically scheduled home games in the dozens!!! Dilly Dilly!! And he's the first to schedule light in transition! And nobody else schedules light even not in transition! We must talk about it incessantly for it is all that matters! This is the deadest horse of all time. I kind of hope Ewing does give sarcastic answers the rest of the year. Really sick of it especially now that it's over and it's still being hammered to death.
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Post by bigskyhoya on Dec 15, 2017 7:04:43 GMT -5
It’s time to change the title of this thread to, “Hoyas Schedule Gets Heavy.”
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Post by seaweed on Dec 15, 2017 7:33:26 GMT -5
It’s time to change the title of this thread to, “Hoyas Schedule Gets Heavy.” With 'cuse coming up, it should say "Hoya schedule get Charmin SOFT"
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Dec 15, 2017 7:52:22 GMT -5
I have supported Ewing, and plan to continue to do so, but I do not like his glib responses about the schedule like this. If, instead, he merely meant that his philosophy is to schedule the worst non-conference schedule ever, then that's a really bad thing for Georgetown. And if he continues to schedule like this, he will be sealing his own fate because he's going to make it virtually impossible to succeed in March because he won't get there (or if he does, it'll be a really bad seed). Personally, I hope he changes this philosophy because I don't want to waste the next 4-5 years. I love it. Anything that makes angry nerds' heads explode I'm for. The guy had to recruit 3/4 of the incoming class, find a grad transfer point guard, a transfer shooter and hire an entire staff, and people are asking "But what's about youse RPIs and SOS?" I hope he says the schedule was too challenging so Goodman passes out. Yes, yes, and yes.
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Post by SSHoya on Dec 15, 2017 9:45:35 GMT -5
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Post by hoyas315 on Dec 15, 2017 10:57:38 GMT -5
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 15, 2017 11:20:34 GMT -5
I have supported Ewing, and plan to continue to do so, but I do not like his glib responses about the schedule like this. If, instead, he merely meant that his philosophy is to schedule the worst non-conference schedule ever, then that's a really bad thing for Georgetown. And if he continues to schedule like this, he will be sealing his own fate because he's going to make it virtually impossible to succeed in March because he won't get there (or if he does, it'll be a really bad seed). Personally, I hope he changes this philosophy because I don't want to waste the next 4-5 years. I love it. Anything that makes angry nerds' heads explode I'm for. The guy had to recruit 3/4 of the incoming class, find a grad transfer point guard, a transfer shooter and hire an entire staff, and people are asking "But what's about youse RPIs and SOS?" I hope he says the schedule was too challenging so Goodman passes out. Again, if we are talking only about this year, it's not a huge deal (though I still think the schedule is an embarrassment). But if this is going to be Ewing's scheduling philosophy going forward, it's a huge mistake, and one not made by the other 350 Division I coaches. So make light of it all you want, but it would have a very negative impact for our program going forward.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 15, 2017 11:24:19 GMT -5
Agreed, fellow non-angry nerd!! Pat is the first coach ever to take over a program in transition! By completely abdicating one part of his job, he has shown us all the way! Just look at how the fans have responded by attending these strategically scheduled home games in the dozens!!! Dilly Dilly!! And he's the first to schedule light in transition! And nobody else schedules light even not in transition! We must talk about it incessantly for it is all that matters! This is the deadest horse of all time. I kind of hope Ewing does give sarcastic answers the rest of the year. Really sick of it especially now that it's over and it's still being hammered to death. I know you're being sarcastic, but this is the easiest non-conference schedule in 15 years, except perhaps for the one Baylor one. So yeah, it actually is quite notable that our schedule is so bad. Newsflash: Ewing isn't the first coach to take over a program in bad shape, and yet, literally no other college coach in those circumstances has scheduled this way in the last 15 years. I realize it's a dead horse, but it's a dead horse worth kicking because it's an embarrassment to the program and if it doesn't change it could harm the program and conference going forward. I don't care about Goodman, but I do care about the quality of our program, and our ability to get to the post season in future seasons.
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Post by ewingitrust on Dec 15, 2017 11:36:02 GMT -5
If we beat Cuse...stay undefeated in nonconference, finish top 5/6 in Big East and show well in Big East tourney, we'll make ncaa's. Ewing said all the chips lay in doin well in Big East play. I'm glad he's challenging the team in this aspect. I feel the team is better than ppl think.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 15, 2017 13:03:14 GMT -5
If we beat Cuse...stay undefeated in nonconference, finish top 5/6 in Big East and show well in Big East tourney, we'll make ncaa's. Ewing said all the chips lay in doin well in Big East play. I'm glad he's challenging the team in this aspect. I feel the team is better than ppl think. So he’s challenging the team by forcing them to do extremely well in the Big East (after having given them no challenges to date) just to make the NCAAs because that’s the only way they can even sniff the NCAAs because of the schedule? And that’s a good thing, why? In the context of this year, the schedule *might* make a little sense given that Ewing is new. If this is the strategy going forward it’s nonsensical.
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Post by bostonfan on Dec 15, 2017 13:17:30 GMT -5
If we beat Cuse...stay undefeated in nonconference, finish top 5/6 in Big East and show well in Big East tourney, we'll make ncaa's. Ewing said all the chips lay in doin well in Big East play. I'm glad he's challenging the team in this aspect. I feel the team is better than ppl think. I think this team is better than I thought is was going to be this year, but I am still not sold on how they will do in the Big East games yet. This test against Syracuse will tell everyone quite a bit. They don't NEED to win the game, but they need to be competitive and show they can play with legitimate D-1 teams. A solid showing against the Cuse would tell me they have a shot at beating the Providence's, St John's, Marquette's and Depaul's that they are going to face. I have seen nothing so far that tells me they have any chance against Nova or Xavier. I never thought the NCAA tourney was a possibility this year, so if they found a way to sneak into the NIT, I would be impressed with how Coach Ewing did this year.
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Post by bigskyhoya on Dec 15, 2017 14:09:24 GMT -5
Marmalard? Dead! Niedermeyer? Dead! Horse? Dead!
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Dec 15, 2017 15:02:20 GMT -5
I love it. Anything that makes angry nerds' heads explode I'm for. The guy had to recruit 3/4 of the incoming class, find a grad transfer point guard, a transfer shooter and hire an entire staff, and people are asking "But what's about youse RPIs and SOS?" I hope he says the schedule was too challenging so Goodman passes out. Again, if we are talking only about this year, it's not a huge deal (though I still think the schedule is an embarrassment). But if this is going to be Ewing's scheduling philosophy going forward, it's a huge mistake, and one not made by the other 350 Division I coaches. So make light of it all you want, but it would have a very negative impact for our program going forward. I understand the sentiments behind this philosophy, but disagree with it vehemently. The coach gets to, and should, schedule who the heck he wants to schedule. Everyone else- shut up and take your medicine. There are pros and cons to tough schedules and weak schedules, both of which this program has experienced over the years, so fans should get it. Still, if we are a good program- winning in the BEAST, against the major OOC foes, and in the NCAAs- the overall OOC schedule is nothing to scream about. Believe it or not, our success as a program is NOT dictated by absurd computer-generated SOS numbers.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Dec 15, 2017 15:16:12 GMT -5
I understand the sentiments behind this philosophy, but disagree with it vehemently. The coach gets to, and should, schedule who the heck he wants to schedule. Everyone else- shut up and take your medicine. There are pros and cons to tough schedules and weak schedules, both of which this program has experienced over the years, so fans should get it. Still, if we are a good program- winning in the BEAST, against the major OOC foes, and in the NCAAs- the overall OOC schedule is nothing to scream about. Believe it or not, our success as a program is NOT dictated by absurd computer-generated SOS numbers.Your last sentence is simply wrong. I define success as making the NCAA tournament, and then once you get there doing well, so the NCAA selection process is pretty important. The NCAA absolutely looks at these "computer-generated" numbers in choosing their at-large bids, and rewards and punishes strength of schedule. If we end up on the bubble and have an awful strength of schedule, you better believe it will work very strongly against us.
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Post by boxout05 on Dec 15, 2017 15:32:52 GMT -5
Believe it or not, our success as a program is NOT dictated by absurd computer-generated SOS numbers. Unless we miss a tourney because of a weak SOS. Hopefully Patrick doesn't learn the hard way and is able to find a happy medium before it costs us a bid. Maybe someone can show him clips of Seth Greenberg's annual Selection Sunday segment.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Dec 15, 2017 15:46:26 GMT -5
I understand the sentiments behind this philosophy, but disagree with it vehemently. The coach gets to, and should, schedule who the heck he wants to schedule. Everyone else- shut up and take your medicine. There are pros and cons to tough schedules and weak schedules, both of which this program has experienced over the years, so fans should get it. Still, if we are a good program- winning in the BEAST, against the major OOC foes, and in the NCAAs- the overall OOC schedule is nothing to scream about. Believe it or not, our success as a program is NOT dictated by absurd computer-generated SOS numbers.Your last sentence is simply wrong. I define success as making the NCAA tournament, and then once you get there doing well, so the NCAA selection process is pretty important. The NCAA absolutely looks at these "computer-generated" numbers in choosing their at-large bids, and rewards and punishes strength of schedule. If we end up on the bubble and have an awful strength of schedule, you better believe it will work very strongly against us. But if we had played harder schools, and lost, then we are not on the bubble at all. Or we could not have played various players without worrying about losing the game, so less chance for those players to develop. That argument wrongly assumes better computer numbers, and otherwise, all things even- and that is, to use your words, simply wrong. Look- I am not trying to get into a fight about this issue. The point is that scheduling is the clinical judgment of coaching, and there is no hard and fast standard of care; ergo, in my respectful view, there is no "scheduling malpractice." It is in the discretion of the coach, who is considering myriad things of which we are wholly unaware, so as fans, we need to strap on for the ride- for better or for worse.
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Post by TC on Dec 15, 2017 15:55:53 GMT -5
I'd love for the program police to explain to us what manner of subject is both relevant to this season and not a dead horse. Literally the only thing we have to talk about is the schedule since we have no reasonable yardstick to see how good or bad this team is, whether there's been any real growth or development from the players, or how this system works in real college basketball.
Jesse Govan's development is about as concrete as string theory or dark matter at this point - who the hell knows what we have, it's all theoretical until Saturday.
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Post by HometownHoya on Dec 15, 2017 16:09:13 GMT -5
If we beat Cuse...stay undefeated in nonconference, finish top 5/6 in Big East and show well in Big East tourney, we'll make ncaa's. Ewing said all the chips lay in doin well in Big East play. I'm glad he's challenging the team in this aspect. I feel the team is better than ppl think. So he’s challenging the team by forcing them to do extremely well in the Big East (after having given them no challenges to date) just to make the NCAAs because that’s the only way they can even sniff the NCAAs because of the schedule? And that’s a good thing, why? In the context of this year, the schedule *might* make a little sense given that Ewing is new. If this is the strategy going forward it’s nonsensical. Personally, for this year, I think it's a good thing. Pat found out what he had, let the guys grow chemistry on the court and confidence, and got some Ws. SU will be a good test to see how the team responds to better competition and will allow Pat to see the effectiveness of his shorter rotations. BE play will challenge the guys and if they step up to the challenge, the have a chance to make noise in the NCAAs (not solely make the tournament). If they don't step up to the challenge, they won't make the cut and won't be a soft team that gets knocked out first weekend by a hot/confident mid-major team. Obviously in future years, I assume he has more tests throughout the OOC but I won't be surprised to see us have a weaker OOC overall then we saw throughout JT3's tenure (who scheduled very tough OOCs, we were often in the top 25 if not higher). I've laid out my ideal OOC balance in the past but you don't need to fill it with marquee games; 2 or maybe 3 real tests are all that is needed. Throw in a couple of high performing mid-majors then you can fill the rest out with fluff to get rotations down and confidence high.
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Post by professorhoya on Dec 15, 2017 16:11:37 GMT -5
I understand the sentiments behind this philosophy, but disagree with it vehemently. The coach gets to, and should, schedule who the heck he wants to schedule. Everyone else- shut up and take your medicine. There are pros and cons to tough schedules and weak schedules, both of which this program has experienced over the years, so fans should get it. Still, if we are a good program- winning in the BEAST, against the major OOC foes, and in the NCAAs- the overall OOC schedule is nothing to scream about. Believe it or not, our success as a program is NOT dictated by absurd computer-generated SOS numbers.Your last sentence is simply wrong. I define success as making the NCAA tournament, and then once you get there doing well, so the NCAA selection process is pretty important. The NCAA absolutely looks at these "computer-generated" numbers in choosing their at-large bids, and rewards and punishes strength of schedule. If we end up on the bubble and have an awful strength of schedule, you better believe it will work very strongly against us. But we didn't make it to the tourney under III the last couple years, even with the ultra hard schedule. In fact when it came to bubble time, our super hard extremely competitive schedule never helped us get into the tournament as a bubble team. So your argument falls apart since in all the years we had III's hard schedule, that schedule never helped us get in as a bubble team.
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