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Post by bicentennial on Mar 27, 2018 12:05:49 GMT -5
So hiring prostitutes to lure recruits and when that gets called out paying more than 100K to lure a recruit a few years later would not be two major recruiting violations? If that's your opinion, not sure they shouldn't just close the NCAA enforcement office? Then again NC proved the NCAA does not believe the word student belongs in student athlete!
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Mar 27, 2018 12:14:42 GMT -5
The real question will be does the NCAA have the cajones to do what their rules dictate if what the Feds have on them is true and hit Louisville with the Death Penalty? The so-called death penalty is for repeat major violations, not the severity of a violation. Contrary to popular wisdom, it has actually been imposed five times, not once. Kentucky (Basketball, 1952) SW Louisiana (Basketball, 1973) SMU (Football, 1986) Morehouse (Soccer, 2004) MacMurray (IL) (Tennis, 2005) Louisville is already on Probation for a level 1 violation which included them losing a National Championship. This would be another high level 1 violation (repeat offender) which dictates death penalty. We know the NCAA has no teeth so it probably won't happen even though the rules make it a possibility...
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Mar 27, 2018 12:28:17 GMT -5
Moser would be a mistake. This season was lightning in a bottle, X can't make a risky hire like that if it wants to stay a prominent program. I agree. Before this year, Moser had 6 losing seasons at Loyola (which followed 4 more in a row at Illinois State before that), and Loyola has made the Final Four in a year where they have defeated the following seeds: #3, #6, #7, #9. Getting to any Final Four is pretty praiseworthy, but one has to admit that they got a pretty easy and lucky path, especially with Virginia's huge upset, and Cincinnati falling the first weekend. "Lightning in a bottle" is a good way to describe it. Nothing about Moser's history demonstrates he's a high quality, high major coach. Put differently, Xavier is a good enough job where they should be able to hire someone different. In fact, Xavier has arguably one of the best hiring records, particularly considering it was in a mid-major conference until 2014. I would rather have Xavier pick the next Thad Matta, Sean Miller, or Chris Mack than hang their hat around Moser. A really unlikely, but interesting possibility would be Thad Matta himself, if he is healthy.
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Post by SSHoya on Mar 27, 2018 13:11:12 GMT -5
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Post by McBricks on Mar 27, 2018 13:22:16 GMT -5
The real question will be does the NCAA have the cajones to do what their rules dictate if what the Feds have on them is true and hit Louisville with the Death Penalty? The so-called death penalty is for repeat major violations, not the severity of a violation. Contrary to popular wisdom, it has actually been imposed five times, not once. Kentucky (Basketball, 1952) SW Louisiana (Basketball, 1973) SMU (Football, 1986) Morehouse (Soccer, 2004) MacMurray (IL) (Tennis, 2005) I could have sworn that Western University got the death penalty as well after the investigation resulting from Coach Pete Bell admitting all the various recruiting and payment violations (plus the point-shaving scandal from 3 years earlier). It's so crazy that he quit right after beating the then #1 ranked Indiana Hoosiers. Supposedly he's coaching at a small high school somewhere in the Midwest today.
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Post by This Just In on Mar 27, 2018 13:23:59 GMT -5
7 year deal is acknowledgement that Pittsburg is a disaster. 5-6 years is the typical length on head coaching deals. I think he could have pushed for an 8 year deal but his agent did a good job getting 7 years at an ACC school. It also tells me that the brass at Pit realizes how badly they messed up letting Dixon go. They should be ecstatic if they get 3 NCAA tournament appearances in those 7 years. What do you think went into the thinking of letting Jamie Dixon go for Kevin Stallings? On the outside looking in that move does not make any sense.
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Post by bostonfan on Mar 27, 2018 13:25:34 GMT -5
Moser would be a mistake. This season was lightning in a bottle, X can't make a risky hire like that if it wants to stay a prominent program. I agree. Before this year, Moser had 6 losing seasons at Loyola (which followed 4 more in a row at Illinois State before that), and Loyola has made the Final Four in a year where they have defeated the following seeds: #3, #6, #7, #9. Getting to any Final Four is pretty praiseworthy, but one has to admit that they got a pretty easy and lucky path, especially with Virginia's huge upset, and Cincinnati falling the first weekend. "Lightning in a bottle" is a good way to describe it. Nothing about Moser's history demonstrates he's a high quality, high major coach. Put differently, Xavier is a good enough job where they should be able to hire someone different. In fact, Xavier has arguably one of the best hiring records, particularly considering it was in a mid-major conference until 2014. I would rather have Xavier pick the next Thad Matta, Sean Miller, or Chris Mack than hang their hat around Moser. A really unlikely, but interesting possibility would be Thad Matta himself, if he is healthy Matta felt he was healthy enough to be strongly considered for the Georgia job, so you have to think he wants to get back into coaching if the right opportunity presented itself. Not sure if Xavier would want him back after he left for greener pastures before, but he would be a high profile hire for them and clearly understands the recruiting dynamics of the Mid West region. Should be interesting to see how this plays out
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Post by LCPolo18 on Mar 27, 2018 13:47:51 GMT -5
Interesting that some of the Pitt players are now staying with the program after the hiring of Capel.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Mar 27, 2018 14:07:34 GMT -5
Rothstein is tweeting that Mack to Louisville is just about a done deal. Will be interesting to see where Xavier goes from here, assuming Mack is gone. Current assistant Travis Steele probably the favorite to get the gig, though Porter Moser may get a look. I'm shocked that Goodman was the one that reported the contract terms for Mack.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Mar 27, 2018 14:24:09 GMT -5
Rothstein is tweeting that Mack to Louisville is just about a done deal. Will be interesting to see where Xavier goes from here, assuming Mack is gone. Current assistant Travis Steele probably the favorite to get the gig, though Porter Moser may get a look. I'm shocked that Goodman was the one that reported the contract terms for Mack. 7 years is good but anybody else surprised that it's only 4 mill per season? For that headache? How much was Xavier paying him? I would have thought a minimum of 6 mil per season with bonus incentives laced throughout the contract.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Mar 27, 2018 14:27:08 GMT -5
I'm shocked that Goodman was the one that reported the contract terms for Mack. 7 years is good but anybody else surprised that it's only 4 mill per season? For that headache? How much was Xavier paying him? I would have thought a minimum of 6 mil per season with bonus incentives laced throughout the contract. Not sure if it's accurate, but based on USA Today Chris Mack was being paid $1.7M at Xavier while Pitino was making $5M at Louisville. sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/mens-basketball/coach(Pitino not on this year's list for obvious reasons).
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Post by hoya95 on Mar 27, 2018 14:30:33 GMT -5
Considering the trouble Louisville could be in, the scrutiny they'll be under going forward, and the expectations for winning that they'll have, Mack better really have dreamed of this job for some reason. Plus, he's leaving his alma mater to do it. Okay, sure, whatever floats your boat.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Mar 27, 2018 14:32:49 GMT -5
7 years is good but anybody else surprised that it's only 4 mill per season? For that headache? How much was Xavier paying him? I would have thought a minimum of 6 mil per season with bonus incentives laced throughout the contract. Not sure if it's accurate, but based on USA Today Chris Mack was being paid $1.7M at Xavier while Pitino was making $5M at Louisville. sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/salaries/mens-basketball/coach(Pitino not on this year's list for obvious reasons). I read somewhere that Mack just got a pay raise last year at this time to over 3 mill and that Pitino was getting 7.5 mill at Louisville. Louisville and Pitino are in litigation over the 35+ mill left on his deal.
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Post by hoyaboya on Mar 27, 2018 14:36:55 GMT -5
I agree. Before this year, Moser had 6 losing seasons at Loyola (which followed 4 more in a row at Illinois State before that), and Loyola has made the Final Four in a year where they have defeated the following seeds: #3, #6, #7, #9. Getting to any Final Four is pretty praiseworthy, but one has to admit that they got a pretty easy and lucky path, especially with Virginia's huge upset, and Cincinnati falling the first weekend. "Lightning in a bottle" is a good way to describe it. Nothing about Moser's history demonstrates he's a high quality, high major coach. Put differently, Xavier is a good enough job where they should be able to hire someone different. In fact, Xavier has arguably one of the best hiring records, particularly considering it was in a mid-major conference until 2014. I would rather have Xavier pick the next Thad Matta, Sean Miller, or Chris Mack than hang their hat around Moser. A really unlikely, but interesting possibility would be Thad Matta himself, if he is healthy Matta felt he was healthy enough to be strongly considered for the Georgia job, so you have to think he wants to get back into coaching if the right opportunity presented itself. Not sure if Xavier would want him back after he left for greener pastures before, but he would be a high profile hire for them and clearly understands the recruiting dynamics of the Mid West region. Should be interesting to see how this plays out Matta unlikely to be an option, Xavier insiders have stated that he left on bad terms and isn't well liked in Cincinnati.
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 27, 2018 14:42:30 GMT -5
Guess we've seen the last of Bill Murray at the Big East Conference tournament. Word is that Luke Walker, Bill's son and an assistant coach at Xavier, is following Chris Mack to Louisville.
Mack's associate head coach, Travis Steele, is not moving to Louisville. I'm guessing this means that Xavier will promote him to the top spot to ensure continuity.
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 27, 2018 14:46:46 GMT -5
I'm shocked that Goodman was the one that reported the contract terms for Mack. 7 years is good but anybody else surprised that it's only 4 mill per season? For that headache? How much was Xavier paying him? I would have thought a minimum of 6 mil per season with bonus incentives laced throughout the contract. Another way to look at this is $28 million guaranteed. Hard to turn that type of guaranteed cash down.
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Post by njhoya78 on Mar 27, 2018 14:49:33 GMT -5
7 year deal is acknowledgement that Pittsburg is a disaster. 5-6 years is the typical length on head coaching deals. I think he could have pushed for an 8 year deal but his agent did a good job getting 7 years at an ACC school. It also tells me that the brass at Pit realizes how badly they messed up letting Dixon go. They should be ecstatic if they get 3 NCAA tournament appearances in those 7 years. What do you think went into the thinking of letting Jamie Dixon go for Kevin Stallings? On the outside looking in that move does not make any sense. Jamie Dixon left Pitt because the job at his alma mater, TCU, had opened up. Pitt didn't get rid of him. It is an indictment of how Dixon felt the future would be at Pittsburgh in comparison to TCU.
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Post by This Just In on Mar 27, 2018 15:01:30 GMT -5
Considering the trouble Louisville could be in, the scrutiny they'll be under going forward, and the expectations for winning that they'll have, Mack better really have dreamed of this job for some reason. Plus, he's leaving his alma mater to do it. Okay, sure, whatever floats your boat. I remember when Rich Rodriguez left his alma mater of West Virginia to go coach Michigan. Ended up getting fired from Michigan after 3 years, went to ESPN as analyst and then went to Arizona. He just got fired from Arizona in January. Sometime it does not pay to try to be happier than happy no matter how much money is thrown at you.
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