tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Dec 19, 2017 20:30:50 GMT -5
Wait... that's not the platform Trump ran on. I'm confused. It's like he's a liar or something.
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Dec 20, 2017 6:41:05 GMT -5
I think that everyone who is against this tax bill should immediately give back the extra money in their paychecks. Or, they should shut the hell up.
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tashoya
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Post by tashoya on Dec 20, 2017 8:31:02 GMT -5
I think that everyone who is against this tax bill should immediately give back the extra money in their paychecks. Or, they should shut the hell up. Does that include people that, initially, will get a small cut but will pay more going forward? And, if by some chance I get money back that comes from programs like Medicaid and Medicare (which, as we all know, it will), I'd absolutely sign on to give it back if I had any faith that this administration wouldn't turn around and give that money to the owners of real estate LLCs.
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Dec 20, 2017 8:40:18 GMT -5
I think that everyone who is against this tax bill should immediately give back the extra money in their paychecks. Or, they should shut the hell up. Does that include people that, initially, will get a small cut but will pay more going forward? And, if by some chance I get money back that comes from programs like Medicaid and Medicare (which, as we all know, it will), I'd absolutely sign on to give it back if I had any faith that this administration wouldn't turn around and give that money to the owners of real estate LLCs. Then you my friend are in the vast minority... Merry Christmas and Happy New Year
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Post by TC on Dec 20, 2017 9:01:59 GMT -5
I think that everyone who is against this tax bill should immediately give back the extra money in their paychecks. Or, they should shut the hell up. Republicanism in a nutshell : accuse people of being hypocrites if they benefit in any form from this thing that they will not benefit from in any way that you are forcing upon them, mixed in with a sprinkle of fascism
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Dec 20, 2017 9:06:06 GMT -5
I think that everyone who is against this tax bill should immediately give back the extra money in their paychecks. Or, they should shut the hell up. Republicanism in a nutshell : accuse people of being hypocrites if they benefit in any form from this thing that they will not benefit from in any way that you are forcing upon them, mixed in with a sprinkle of fascism Sounds just like how I felt about ACA... Funny world...
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TC
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Post by TC on Dec 20, 2017 9:16:47 GMT -5
Sounds just like how I felt about ACA... Funny world... With the exception that no one told you if you kept a kid on insurance or benefitted from pre-existing condition coverage that you "should shut the hell up" or go uninsured.
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Dec 20, 2017 9:28:18 GMT -5
Sounds just like how I felt about ACA... Funny world... With the exception that no one told you if you kept a kid on insurance or benefitted from pre-existing condition coverage that you "should shut the hell up" or go uninsured. That you don’t see the difference neither surprises nor disappoints me. Merry Christmas.
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TC
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Post by TC on Dec 20, 2017 9:45:14 GMT -5
The difference that health and life are more important priorities than money? That was the whole argument for ACA in the first place.
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Post by Filo on Dec 20, 2017 9:46:37 GMT -5
I think that everyone who is against this tax bill should immediately give back the extra money in their paychecks. Or, they should shut the hell up. I am generally a fiscal conservative. I find a sentiment like this so disheartening, in addition to be ridiculously over-simplistic and disingenuous. Without even getting into the impact on the individual tax payer and who benefits, and how long the benefits will last for all but the top brackets, do you really think this is the correct road to tax reform? Honestly? With the potential for a huge increase in the deficit, and then the clear signaling that the GOP will be attempting to fill that hole with cuts to programs for those that most need assistance? I am far from a bleeding heart liberal, but I am convinced this "reform" is a travesty. Again, do you really think this is the right approach?
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Post by EtomicB on Dec 20, 2017 9:51:26 GMT -5
Does that include people that, initially, will get a small cut but will pay more going forward? And, if by some chance I get money back that comes from programs like Medicaid and Medicare (which, as we all know, it will), I'd absolutely sign on to give it back if I had any faith that this administration wouldn't turn around and give that money to the owners of real estate LLCs. Then you my friend are in the vast minority... Merry Christmas and Happy New Year He's not in the vast minority at all, millions of Americans will be voting against this bill in less than a year Elvado..
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Post by Elvado on Dec 20, 2017 9:54:49 GMT -5
I think that everyone who is against this tax bill should immediately give back the extra money in their paychecks. Or, they should shut the hell up. I am generally a fiscal conservative. I find a sentiment like this so disheartening, in addition to be ridiculously over-simplistic and disingenuous. Without even getting into the impact on the individual tax payer and who benefits, and how long the benefits will last for all but the top brackets, do you really think this is the correct road to tax reform? Honestly? With the potential for a huge increase in the deficit, and then the clear signaling that the GOP will be attempting to fill that hole with cuts to programs for those that most need assistance? I am far from a bleeding heart liberal, but I am convinced this "reform" is a travesty. Again, do you really think this is the right approach? I have not reached an opinion on the bill. I am happy to admit I don’t know if it is good, bad or indifferent. I am simply tired of the constant carping, whining and bitching from the left on this as if this were the first major policy piece ever rammed through with no support from the minority. Sauce for the goose...
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Post by blueeagle on Dec 20, 2017 10:06:33 GMT -5
I have not reached an opinion on the bill. I am happy to admit I don’t know if it is good, bad or indifferent. I am simply tired of the constant carping, whining and bitching from the left on this as if this were the first major policy piece ever rammed through with no support from the minority.
Sauce for the goose... [/quote]
Respectfully, that is not how you initiated your commentary. So don't get annoyed if folks call you out for not effectively arguing your case.
Happy advanced winter solstice!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2017 10:58:48 GMT -5
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TC
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Post by TC on Dec 20, 2017 11:27:48 GMT -5
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Dec 20, 2017 11:48:58 GMT -5
Then you my friend are in the vast minority... Merry Christmas and Happy New Year He's not in the vast minority at all, millions of Americans will be voting against this bill in less than a year Elvado.. He is most certainly in the vast minority if he is willing to give the money back. Don’t kid yourself.
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Dec 20, 2017 11:50:08 GMT -5
Contrast Ryan's Honesty with the bilge sold to the public about Obamacare costs...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2017 11:59:09 GMT -5
Contrast Ryan's Honesty with the bilge sold to the public about Obamacare costs... Do you really think Ryan has been truthful about this bill? Lol.. Do you really want to go down this path because you know I have many receipts. I'd be more than happy to list all the lies he's told about this bill if you want. Did you like the stimulus package Elvado?
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Dec 20, 2017 12:06:49 GMT -5
I am quite sure you have every statement he has ever made st your disposal. That said, he clearly spoke the truth in the piece you just posted. Can you say the same about the laundry list of nonsense spouted about ACA and cost?
As for the stimulus package, I quite enjoyed the money in my wallet. I will let you in on a little secret. I vote with my wallet and what happens to my family. That may be selfish; in fact I am sure it is. That said self-interest is not necessarily a bad thing.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2017 12:09:20 GMT -5
I am quite sure you have every statement he has ever made st your disposal. That said, he clearly spoke the truth in the piece you just posted. Can you say the same about the laundry list of nonsense spouted about ACA and cost? As for the stimulus package, I quite enjoyed the money in my wallet. I will let you in on a little secret. I vote with my wallet and what happens to my family. That may be selfish; in fact I am sure it is. That said self-interest is not necessarily a bad thing. 1 truth doesn't excuse many lies Elvado. That's a pretty stupid argument, and you didn't exactly answer the stimulus package question... In favor, yes or no? Ryan said the bill was "designed" as a middle-class tax cut. True or false? When he was selling this bill he said: "I don't think [the tax bill] will increase the deficit." Clearly he knew that was likely false, correct?
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