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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Sept 26, 2017 15:51:33 GMT -5
Street urchins will always find a workaround. Too much money involved to entice shady characters. Kids are contacted early these days.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Sept 26, 2017 15:56:10 GMT -5
Agreed I don't like it. And the transfer of funds could have been misrepresented, but it seems strange to let them off the hook for clearly doing something to try and maximize the potential return for their child being a good athlete. It seems strange to me that trying to maximize the potential return for extraordinary talent would be considered wrong. It seems strange that breaking the rules - and in some instances the law - would be considered wrong?
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Sept 26, 2017 15:57:28 GMT -5
I'm convinced that NCAA is/was fully aware of these activities and were complicit. I would not be surprised if somehow someway they eventually get dragged into this fiasco. This could be the beginning of their downfall as well. While the NCAA may not be actively complicit, I think this raises the issue of letting these guys go pro out of HS. The current rule has debased CBB and has created a two-tier system on the top blue bloods and everyone else. This started with Calipari and Worldwide Wes, and continued with the UNC academic fraud. It is frankly unfair to deny a CBB athlete the right to become a pro right away, like tennis, golf and baseball. Lets face it, the top athletes by and large just hang out in college for a year, or even less. Not to say they are "dumb", just that they can always get a degree down the line if it important to them. I think that getting rid of the one and done phenomenon will decrease these shenanigans. Yes, the true lowlifes will find another way to cheat, but right now, the money involved with one and dones is just too tempting. I like the baseball rule. You go directly out of high school or you stay a minimum of 3 years... This will minimize the corruption as I don't think there is ever a way to completely remove it. Cheaters will find away but you have taken away those kids who don't want to be in school. Even European teams will be more interested (and pay more $) in high school players because they will be signing 3 year contracts vs the 1 year hold my spot contract until I can get to the NBA. This rule will also show which college coaches can develop talent and which ones are riding elite players coattails. I would imagine that if the baseball rule was ever implemented, Calipari announcement of returning to the NBA would follow shortly after.
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Post by FromTheBeginning on Sept 26, 2017 16:02:14 GMT -5
2 quick thoughts -
I'm not a lawyer but the family probably will not be in trouble with the IRS if they got the money this year as it would only have to be reported on next April's tax return. Might be some penalties for unpaid estimates or something like that - now all the have to do is get a 1099 from Louisville.
The thing that really made me laugh was Sonny Vaccaro saying he was "shocked" to find all this out - kind of like the Police Captain in Casablanca that was "shocked to find there was gambling going on in Rick's" while he was collecting his winnings.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Sept 26, 2017 16:02:36 GMT -5
It seems strange to me that trying to maximize the potential return for extraordinary talent would be considered wrong. It is wrong because it harms the honest families, kids and coaches. The solution is to abolish the NBA age restriction (one and done phenomenon). The return on extraordinary talent is to play and earn as a pro. The top athlete deserves this and this corrupt rule is in place to lavish $$ on the NCAA, and networks, and to provide a free minor league to the NBA. Sad! I would try to argue that ending the rule would result in legions of high school kids who have had smoke blown up their buts their whole lives going "pro", but not even getting a sniff from the NBA, instead if playing college ball and realizing their future is not on the court - but too many of them still declare after a year in college no matter how mediocre, or even deficient, they are.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Sept 26, 2017 16:05:47 GMT -5
Aren't the truly aggrieved parties here the Women's players who can't command as high a price? Title IX says everything has to be equal... Who knows how much those Lady Huskies are getting to spend 4 years in exotic Storrs??
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Post by sleepy on Sept 26, 2017 16:06:36 GMT -5
It is wrong because it harms the honest families, kids and coaches. The solution is to abolish the NBA age restriction (one and done phenomenon). The return on extraordinary talent is to play and earn as a pro. The top athlete deserves this and this corrupt rule is in place to lavish $$ on the NCAA, and networks, and to provide a free minor league to the NBA. Sad! I would try to argue that ending the rule would result in legions of high school kids who have had smoke blown up their buts their whole lives going "pro", but not even getting a sniff from the NBA, instead if playing college ball and realizing their future is not on the court - but too many of them still declare after a year in college no matter how mediocre, or even deficient, they are. The 1 year rule is problematic for a variety of reasons but really won't help in this case. Shoe companies will still see college as a platform for athletes to turn into stars and sign with their brand. Changing that might help minimize the amount of money but its going to be prevalent with a rule change, just like it was when there was no rule to go to college for one year. It is not as if this just started happening in 2006.
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Post by njhoya78 on Sept 26, 2017 16:15:37 GMT -5
Rumors out of Louisville indicating that nothing will happen tonight, but that "big news" is expected tomorrow. Perhaps UL and Pitino are negotiating a severance agreement as I type this.
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Post by DanMcQ on Sept 26, 2017 16:18:18 GMT -5
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 26, 2017 16:20:33 GMT -5
It seems strange to me that trying to maximize the potential return for extraordinary talent would be considered wrong. It is wrong because it harms the honest families, kids and coaches. The solution is to abolish the NBA age restriction (one and done phenomenon). The return on extraordinary talent is to play and earn as a pro. The top athlete deserves this and this corrupt rule is in place to lavish $$ on the NCAA, and networks, and to provide a free minor league to the NBA. Sad! What about the CFB 3 year rule? College programs are even more of a minor league to the pros..
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Post by DanMcQ on Sept 26, 2017 16:22:26 GMT -5
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 26, 2017 16:22:43 GMT -5
Just hope this doesn't eventually involve Georgetown. We are not an Adidas school. And, maybe this is why Patrick may be carful about his dealings with the local AAU crowd, if the media reports are accurate on this issue. I admit I haven't read thru everything on this yet but why are folks bringing aau into this? Wasn't Adidas going directly to the coaches? Same with the agent?
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Sept 26, 2017 16:25:45 GMT -5
It seems strange to me that trying to maximize the potential return for extraordinary talent would be considered wrong. It is wrong because it harms the honest families, kids and coaches. The solution is to abolish the NBA age restriction (one and done phenomenon). The return on extraordinary talent is to play and earn as a pro. The top athlete deserves this and this corrupt rule is in place to lavish $$ on the NCAA, and networks, and to provide a free minor league to the NBA. Sad! I disagree that the solution is abolish the 1 & done rule. That didn't work for the NBA. They admittedly said they didn't want to be in high school gyms. It also hurts the bad teams being forced to draft 18 year old kids who are not nearly ready to be impactful. Most of these players that are 1 and done don't impact the league until what would be their senior of college with a lot of them bouncing back and forth from the end of NBA bench to the now G League. I think the NBA needs to add a rule that these players can't get drafte/enter the league until 3 years out high school. Kids can still play in the G League or go over seas on 3 year deals and make real good money. Also the NBA needs to pay the players better (at least low 6 figures) in the G League as that as well as shoe deal and other endorsement money will attract the elite kids coming out of high school. Add that to colleges adding the baseball rule to college basketball, this will protect both the NBA product and college basketball product. I agree these kids have every right to make a living and shouldn't be forced to go to college first. That doesn't mean they get the right to go straight to the NBA. For every LeBron James that declares out of high school, there is a ton of kids who didn't want to go to college but nowhere near ready for the NBA but still want to make money with there craft instead of getting an education.
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Post by upstatesaxa on Sept 26, 2017 16:26:52 GMT -5
This deal is a huge plus for Georgetown on many fronts... its very likely that JT3's unwillingness or inability to play the AAU game to the hilt caused the erosion of our recruiting. The nice thing about him was that he was a class act and unlikely to do anything that would make our school be the target of an FBI investigation.
The NCAA has long gotten a bad rap about the ineffectiveness of its investigations, and the delays associated with them. The old cliche is that the NCAA does not have "subpoena power"... well, the feds have that and more, and used all those tools to blow a big hole in the shoe co/AAU/agents/street runners/dirty coaches and schools "apparatus." Sure they will not be cleaning up the entire Augean stables with this one investigation, but at a time where we have a rookie coach and are at a talent deficit, this will cripple some schools "ahead of us" and maybe reset the whole HS recruiting "bazaar" for a while and let us catch up without having to pay any families $100K stipends or set up a strip club/whorehouse in some quiet corner of the campus.
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Post by upstatesaxa on Sept 26, 2017 16:32:57 GMT -5
Its a good day for clean schools. Or cleaner schools.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Sept 26, 2017 16:34:48 GMT -5
We are not an Adidas school. And, maybe this is why Patrick may be carful about his dealings with the local AAU crowd, if the media reports are accurate on this issue. I admit I haven't read thru everything on this yet but why are folks bringing aau into this? Wasn't Adidas going directly to the coaches? Same with the agent? It starts with shoe circuit coaches delivering their prospects to college programs of the same shoe affiliation for a fee. As the FBI gets deeper into this they will start getting some of these shoe circuit organization for money laundering or other charges as a lot of times they are the go between with the cash for the prospects. The only way you clean this up is for grassroots to not have any involvement with the shoe companies. But they will always find another way to cheat.
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Post by sleepyjackson21 on Sept 26, 2017 16:36:31 GMT -5
You can almost guarantee now that Moses Brown is committing to MD. Maybe, maybe not. He was down to Louisville and Maryland or in other words Adidas vs Underarmour. UA made the biggest push in the grassroots level of prep basketball over the past 3 years.
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Post by upstatesaxa on Sept 26, 2017 16:42:48 GMT -5
We played the "Nike game" to the hilt as it was established back around 1980. Just havent "kept up with the Caliparis" as the decades have rolled by
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Post by EtomicB on Sept 26, 2017 16:44:15 GMT -5
I admit I haven't read thru everything on this yet but why are folks bringing aau into this? Wasn't Adidas going directly to the coaches? Same with the agent? It starts with shoe circuit coaches delivering their prospects to college programs of the same shoe affiliation for a fee. As the FBI gets deeper into this they will start getting some of these shoe circuit organization for money laundering or other charges as a lot of times they are the go between with the cash for the prospects. The complaints are talking about top level folks at Adidas contacting colleges, not aau coaches though, I'm not seeing the connection in this case.. Richardson took the money to help influence the kids to sign with the agent(s) after they left school..
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Post by LCPolo18 on Sept 26, 2017 16:45:34 GMT -5
Just hope this doesn't eventually involve Georgetown. We are not an Adidas school. And, maybe this is why Patrick may be carful about his dealings with the local AAU crowd, if the media reports are accurate on this issue. As mentioned earlier in another thread, Arizona is a Nike school. My assumption is that since this is based on recruiting, then the Adidas angle is based on the recruits that play for Adidas AAU teams. Sure, there is often a high likelihood that an Adidas AAU recruit ends up at an Adidas college, but that's not always the case.
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