njhoya78
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Post by njhoya78 on Sept 26, 2017 15:20:36 GMT -5
Did the news just make its way to Overland Park by carrier pigeon?
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Post by njhoya78 on Sept 26, 2017 15:24:11 GMT -5
Much speculation about the identity of "University-8." For what it's worth, the two most noteworthy Adidas schools who have not been cited (yet) are Indiana and Kansas. Something on which to keep an eye.
Then again, there are probably more than just one more college basketball program that will be implicated. And who's to say that there won't be a spillover effect into college football?
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Post by EasyEd on Sept 26, 2017 15:25:08 GMT -5
Just hope this doesn't eventually involve Georgetown.
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Post by hoopsmccan on Sept 26, 2017 15:26:08 GMT -5
Reading on the Beardown message board, Arizona fans expecting the death penalty. Just read the first page on that site. Wow. They're even more depressed than the Louisville faithful. Louisville fans at least got a championship out of it; AZ got nothing but frustration. And yes, Louisville might "lose" that championship, but fans got to enjoy it. hm
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Post by jld54 on Sept 26, 2017 15:27:15 GMT -5
Whoa, was Keatts one of the guys some folks wanted during the search? As separately noted, NC State is an Adidas school. And yes, Keatts was an oft-cited coaching prospect. In fairness to Keatts, he left Louisville in March 2014. I believe that the investigation started 2 years ago. Lets see what else comes on this before we make judgments. I am sure there will be plenty of fallout that is backed by hard evidence, but lets not jump the gun. I like many love to see those who ar corrupt go down, but lets wait for proof.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Sept 26, 2017 15:29:47 GMT -5
Much speculation about the identity of "University-8." For what it's worth, the two most noteworthy Adidas schools who have not been cited (yet) are Indiana and Kansas. Something on which to keep an eye. Then again, there are probably more than just one more college basketball program that will be implicated. And who's to say that there won't be a spillover effect into college football? I'm convinced that NCAA is/was fully aware of these activities and were complicit. I would not be surprised if somehow someway they eventually get dragged into this fiasco. This could be the beginning of their downfall as well.
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Post by jld54 on Sept 26, 2017 15:30:01 GMT -5
Just hope this doesn't eventually involve Georgetown. We are not an Adidas school. And, maybe this is why Patrick may be carful about his dealings with the local AAU crowd, if the media reports are accurate on this issue.
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Post by hoya95 on Sept 26, 2017 15:33:38 GMT -5
It's still in the smoke/rumor department, but Pitino may be gone very quickly (or at least on some kind of leave of absence). kentuckysportsradio.com/main/what-i-am-hearing/Edit: More smoke from a Louisville reporter. Since he's not being subtle at all, not sure why he doesn't just come out and say Pitino is gone. Sure sounds like he is.
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Post by njhoya78 on Sept 26, 2017 15:36:13 GMT -5
Hopefully this shines a light on the absurdity of the players not getting paid and affects some real change in that regard. Any change as to compensation for college athletes (and staying away from Title IX implications) probably won't make a dent in this, if the numbers being bandied about are accurate. $100,000? $150,000? $200,000? No way that colleges could justify those levels of compensation for "student-athletes" when you see what the faculty is being paid.
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Post by hoya9797 on Sept 26, 2017 15:38:05 GMT -5
Unless the family somehow found a way to report the 100k then it's definitely possible. But if their family is anything like the majority of families college basketball players come from, something just feels wrong to go after them when its quite likely Pitino and his cronies economically exploited them to get their son to commit. Agreed I don't like it. And the transfer of funds could have been misrepresented, but it seems strange to let them off the hook for clearly doing something to try and maximize the potential return for their child being a good athlete. It seems strange to me that trying to maximize the potential return for extraordinary talent would be considered wrong.
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Post by jld54 on Sept 26, 2017 15:39:28 GMT -5
Much speculation about the identity of "University-8." For what it's worth, the two most noteworthy Adidas schools who have not been cited (yet) are Indiana and Kansas. Something on which to keep an eye. Then again, there are probably more than just one more college basketball program that will be implicated. And who's to say that there won't be a spillover effect into college football? I'm convinced that NCAA is/was fully aware of these activities and were complicit. I would not be surprised if somehow someway they eventually get dragged into this fiasco. This could be the beginning of their downfall as well. While the NCAA may not be actively complicit, I think this raises the issue of letting these guys go pro out of HS. The current rule has debased CBB and has created a two-tier system on the top blue bloods and everyone else. This started with Calipari and Worldwide Wes, and continued with the UNC academic fraud. It is frankly unfair to deny a CBB athlete the right to become a pro right away, like tennis, golf and baseball. Lets face it, the top athletes by and large just hang out in college for a year, or even less. Not to say they are "dumb", just that they can always get a degree down the line if it important to them. I think that getting rid of the one and done phenomenon will decrease these shenanigans. Yes, the true lowlifes will find another way to cheat, but right now, the money involved with one and dones is just too tempting.
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Post by Elvado on Sept 26, 2017 15:40:58 GMT -5
Aren't the truly aggrieved parties here the Women's players who can't command as high a price?
Title IX says everything has to be equal...
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Post by sleepy on Sept 26, 2017 15:41:00 GMT -5
Just hope this doesn't eventually involve Georgetown. We are not an Adidas school. And, maybe this is why Patrick may be carful about his dealings with the local AAU crowd, if the media reports are accurate on this issue. LOL. I am sure this will stop at ADIDAS schools. Haven't both Nike and UA schools already been implicated as well? I assume the FBI is after both the shoe companies and the college programs. I also assume the news of this leaking and them essentially saying "You better call us before we call you" has kept their phone lines quite busy the last few hours. This is likely the tip of the iceberg.
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Post by njhoya78 on Sept 26, 2017 15:41:10 GMT -5
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Post by sleepy on Sept 26, 2017 15:43:06 GMT -5
Agreed I don't like it. And the transfer of funds could have been misrepresented, but it seems strange to let them off the hook for clearly doing something to try and maximize the potential return for their child being a good athlete. It seems strange to me that trying to maximize the potential return for extraordinary talent would be considered wrong. The issue is they were "illegally" maximizing that potential. Agreed that the families and kids are also going to majorly lose out in this, we can only hope the Pitino's, Calapari's, and WWW of the world are dragged down with them.
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Post by jld54 on Sept 26, 2017 15:43:33 GMT -5
Agreed I don't like it. And the transfer of funds could have been misrepresented, but it seems strange to let them off the hook for clearly doing something to try and maximize the potential return for their child being a good athlete. It seems strange to me that trying to maximize the potential return for extraordinary talent would be considered wrong. It is wrong because it harms the honest families, kids and coaches. The solution is to abolish the NBA age restriction (one and done phenomenon). The return on extraordinary talent is to play and earn as a pro. The top athlete deserves this and this corrupt rule is in place to lavish $$ on the NCAA, and networks, and to provide a free minor league to the NBA. Sad!
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Sept 26, 2017 15:46:04 GMT -5
I can't see how he coaches another game there or anywhere? They probably can't fire him yet based on contract lingo etc. but a an extended leave of absence that leads him to eventually leave the game has to be in the works. Even if the Bowen allegations are proven to be false, I can't see how if they have them on tape, but for argument sakes, that will be years from now. If this was Pitino's first scandal maybe he could survive but this is his 3rd scandal by my count as the coach of Louisville... I can't see how he ever coaches in another game ever! Louisville should be concerned about the death penalty and it's deserved. They made Pitino bigger than the university. He should have been shown the door after the prostitution parties.
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Post by njhoya78 on Sept 26, 2017 15:46:11 GMT -5
The NBA has been happy with allowing colleges to act as their minor-league system. Having to operate a "farm system," like baseball teams do, would cut into the bottom line, and might even affect the salary cap (to free up money to fund the affiliates).
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Post by SSHoya on Sept 26, 2017 15:46:51 GMT -5
Just hope this doesn't eventually involve Georgetown. We are not an Adidas school. And, maybe this is why Patrick may be carful about his dealings with the local AAU crowd, if the media reports are accurate on this issue. Pretty certain one of the reasons that Gary Williams retired is that he wouldn't play the local AAU game and his recruiting suffered as a result.
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Post by njhoya78 on Sept 26, 2017 15:51:03 GMT -5
Aren't the truly aggrieved parties here the Women's players who can't command as high a price? Title IX says everything has to be equal... That's right. I'm not sure that can change on an individual player basis, when you look at what salaries are in the WNBA. Besides, women's sports are not revenue generators. They are effectively funded by redirecting revenues generated by football and men's basketball programs. . .as are all other non-revenue generating sports. Like, say, men's soccer (sorry, couldn't resist) and track and field (sorry, Nevada Hoya, for the same reason).
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