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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 29, 2019 14:36:58 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised to see him land somewhere like Baylor or somewhere close to home. I saw a player with good potential that was just a freshman that just didn't have many minutes available once Ewing committed to Mourning getting time and Kaleb essentially playing the 4 spot. I'll be watching his career for sure as I think he may turn out to be pretty good in the right situation. Wish him well. The extra year will certainly help him, needs to gain strength and improve athleticism. He was originally recruited by schools like SMU, Kansas State and Houston, could see him being a good fit at those types of programs.
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Post by wponds on Apr 29, 2019 14:38:46 GMT -5
Best of luck to him. He was the earliest commit in the '18 class. I like his potential, but not surprised he's the one to go. Doesn't necessarily fit what Ewing is trying to do with his bigsWhat do you think he's trying to do with his bigs? Wahab, TI & Wilson are very different from Yurtseven... Agreed. I just think Yurt is the exception to the rule bc we needed a high-impact scoring big who could deliver right off the bat so that we don't put the weight of the world on Mac/James in year 2
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 29, 2019 14:39:28 GMT -5
Neither Alexander or Gardner plays Carter's position in my view... Having a pecking order set before May seems crazy to me ... What do you view as Carter’s position? Where would he have gotten minutes? I always viewed him as a small ball 5, a floor spacer type, which is how most of the good teams play now...
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 29, 2019 14:43:42 GMT -5
I wouldn't be surprised to see him land somewhere like Baylor or somewhere close to home. I saw a player with good potential that was just a freshman that just didn't have many minutes available once Ewing committed to Mourning getting time and Kaleb essentially playing the 4 spot. I'll be watching his career for sure as I think he may turn out to be pretty good in the right situation. Wish him well. The extra year will certainly help him, needs to gain strength and improve athleticism. He was originally recruited by schools like SMU, Kansas State and Houston, could see him being a good fit at those types of programs. All of these programs are on Gtown's level though, going to any of these wouldn't be a step-down in my view...
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Apr 29, 2019 14:45:45 GMT -5
Not sure why you would say Ewing doesn’t use stretch 5s. Govan and Mourning both played some stretch 5 and Yurtseven appears to be that type of player as well. I think the problem with Carter was that he couldn’t defend anybody and was years away from contributing - at 6’8” and not particularly strong or quick, he was a tweener without a position. One could argue that we’d have been better off in the long run giving some of Mourning’s minutes last year to Carter. I think sitting out a year will greatly help Grayson with his strength/athleticism and he has a good chance to be a quality contributor at a program a half-step down from Georgetown (similar to Antwaan Walker at URI). Carter was never a highly sought after recruit and as others have said, looks to be lower on the depth chart now than he was at the end of last season. Best of luck to him, seems like a good kid from a good family. Govan, Mourning, and Yurt have stretch skills but all 3 are more comfortable down lown. Based on what Ive seen, the deep post skills are prioritized then shooting range is just a bonus. Jessie was a great 3pt shooter but Pat never made the effort to get him the ball in a good perimeter shooting position outside of the secondary break. You must have been watching a different Hoyas team or only checked in 1 out of every 3 games.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Apr 29, 2019 14:48:15 GMT -5
What do you view as Carter’s position? Where would he have gotten minutes? I always viewed him as a small ball 5, a floor spacer type, which is how most of the good teams play now... Agree with you Etomic! Could have given the team better flexibility vs teams that play small and like to attack slower Bigs, like how SMU took advantage of Govan and Mourning with their quicker, mobile, versatile Bigs. Could of also developed into the small ball Big that allows you to switch defensively 1-5. With Carter's transfer, the team potentially lost a lot of skill and roster versatility...
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Apr 29, 2019 14:48:38 GMT -5
Just recruited over between Alexander and Gardner. You can’t have 4 wings on the floor. Kid wants to play and likely knew that wasn’t really going to happen at GU. He was No. 12 on my pecking order of current 14 and two below him were frosh, so totally makes sense. Neither Alexander or Gardner plays Carter's position in my view... Having a pecking order set before May seems crazy to me ... You don’t have to play the same position to be recruited over, needs shift. Also, no pecking order is set, this move indicates who the last man out is. The staff has seen them all play and they’ve all played in open gym with the team. No need to over complicate it. I’m curious, what role did you see Carter playing? What did you think were strengths in his game?
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Apr 29, 2019 14:50:24 GMT -5
Best of luck to him. He was the earliest commit in the '18 class. I like his potential, but not surprised he's the one to go. Doesn't necessarily fit what Ewing is trying to do with his bigsWhat do you think he's trying to do with his bigs? Wahab, TI & Wilson are very different from Yurtseven... Wahab isn’t all that different from Yurt and it can still be true even if Yurt is more developed.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Apr 29, 2019 14:51:39 GMT -5
The extra year will certainly help him, needs to gain strength and improve athleticism. He was originally recruited by schools like SMU, Kansas State and Houston, could see him being a good fit at those types of programs. All of these programs are on Gtown's level though, going to any of these wouldn't be a step-down in my view... All three of those programs were better then Georgetown last season. K-State and Houston were NCAA tournament teams and SMU went to Georgetown and won...
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Post by CountAardvark on Apr 29, 2019 14:54:20 GMT -5
Based on the little I saw of Carter, I thought of him as a homeless man's Marvin Bagley III. Mobile tweener who can shoot well and get rebounds. I expect he'll find a good landing spot.
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Apr 29, 2019 14:54:20 GMT -5
I always viewed him as a small ball 5, a floor spacer type, which is how most of the good teams play now... Agree with you Etomic! Could have given the team better flexibility vs teams that play small and like to attack slower Bigs, like how SMU took advantage of Govan and Mourning with their quicker, mobile, versatile Bigs. Could of also developed into the small ball Big that allows you to switch defensively 1-5. With Carter's transfer, the team potentially lost a lot of skill and roster versatility... Huh? Carter was slow footed and not strong. Not a criticism just the reality. Kaleb played minutes over him at the 4 because he was more prepared to bang. Sure Carter can fill out, but it was tbd on his actual contribution going forward. Again, Ewing clearly prioritized defense this year. We have more than enoug horses to get it done on offense. Carter was neither a good individual defender nor a good team defender (yet). It’s important to be more than just tall.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 29, 2019 14:55:03 GMT -5
What do you think he's trying to do with his bigs? Wahab, TI & Wilson are very different from Yurtseven... Wahab isn’t all that different from Yurt and it can still be true even if Yurt is more developed. What can be true?
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Apr 29, 2019 14:55:44 GMT -5
Just recruited over between Alexander and Gardner. You can’t have 4 wings on the floor. Kid wants to play and likely knew that wasn’t really going to happen at GU. He was No. 12 on my pecking order of current 14 and two below him were frosh, so totally makes sense. Neither Alexander or Gardner plays Carter's position in my view... Having a pecking order set before May seems crazy to me ... Exactly...players do improve over the summer
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Apr 29, 2019 14:55:46 GMT -5
Wahab isn’t all that different from Yurt and it can still be true even if Yurt is more developed. What can be true? That Ewing has a vision for the type of big he wants.
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Post by madgesiq92 on Apr 29, 2019 14:57:49 GMT -5
All of these programs are on Gtown's level though, going to any of these wouldn't be a step-down in my view... All three of those programs were better then Georgetown last season. K-State and Houston were NCAA tournament teams and SMU went to Georgetown and won... Agreed....and he was also offered by LSU, Oklahoma and Texas if I remember correctly, so I wouldn't use the fact that he didn't "make it" or "fit" at Georgetown to throw shade on the kid. Disappointed that we never got to see his potential--seems to be the type of big that is necessary to have on the roster in this era of college basketball. Can't imagine any coach's philosophy is to not want a big who can stretch the floor. Seemed to have a nice stroke in open practice last fall. Was a high academic kid, too. Wish him good luck.
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Apr 29, 2019 14:58:41 GMT -5
Neither Alexander or Gardner plays Carter's position in my view... Having a pecking order set before May seems crazy to me ... Exactly...players do improve over the summer We have two starting frontcourt positions. Ewing has more and better quality options this year. Nobody is saying he couldn’t improve, but you had to pick one big to go. And yes, it had to be a big for roster balance sake.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 29, 2019 14:59:45 GMT -5
That Ewing has a vision for the type of big he wants. This was not at all what Wponds stated in his post, no one is questioning PE's vision for his bigs... Here's his post... Best of luck to him. He was the earliest commit in the '18 class. I like his potential, but not surprised he's the one to go. Doesn't necessarily fit what Ewing is trying to do with his bigs[/quote
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Apr 29, 2019 15:01:03 GMT -5
All three of those programs were better then Georgetown last season. K-State and Houston were NCAA tournament teams and SMU went to Georgetown and won... Agreed....and he was also offered by LSU, Oklahoma and Texas if I remember correctly, so I wouldn't use the fact that he didn't "make it" or "fit" at Georgetown to throw shade on the kid. Disappointed that we never got to see his potential--seems to be the type of big that is necessary to have on the roster in this era of college basketball. Can't imagine any coach's philosophy is to not want a big who can stretch the floor. Seemed to have a nice stroke in open practice last fall. Was a high academic kid, too. Wish him good luck. Also, shooting is more mental than physical at this level. It’s great that his shot looked the part, but we’ve had plenty of fake shooters over the years here. Also, we have other options for frontcourt floor stretchers. They also all seem to be better equipped to bang in he post.
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Post by hoyas big supporter on Apr 29, 2019 15:03:11 GMT -5
That Ewing has a vision for the type of big he wants. This was not at all what Wponds stated in his post, no one is questioning PE's vision for his bigs... Here's his post... Best of luck to him. He was the earliest commit in the '18 class. I like his potential, but not surprised he's the one to go. Doesn't necessarily fit what Ewing is trying to do with his bigs[/quote Literally, what? “Trying to do with his bigs” and “vision for his bigs” are essentially the same thing. You’re the one who questioned it. Oh, I guess you want me to actually believe you were genuinely asking the question rather than shifting the burden of proof...
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Post by HometownHoya on Apr 29, 2019 15:03:22 GMT -5
Govan, Mourning, and Yurt have stretch skills but all 3 are more comfortable down lown. Based on what Ive seen, the deep post skills are prioritized then shooting range is just a bonus. Jessie was a great 3pt shooter but Pat never made the effort to get him the ball in a good perimeter shooting position outside of the secondary break. You must have been watching a different Hoyas team or only checked in 1 out of every 3 games. Nope, I watch every game at least 3 times. Please give examples of when Pat ran a play specifically to get our 5 a 3-pt shot. Even our pick and pops were typically in the 3-pt range and our guards tend not to look for the picker. Also, glad to have you back on the board after your 6 years hiatus but maybe you should check your attitude against other posters. We all have our own opinions and as of now, yours smells like ass. I appreciate the insight and fervor you have for the Hoyas but we're all on the same team here.
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