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Post by bornhoya on Apr 29, 2019 16:37:35 GMT -5
I thought he could have been a backup 4 this year but good luck to the kid
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Post by stafford72 on Apr 29, 2019 16:53:53 GMT -5
Hope he chooses wisely. Too many here are consumed with the past notions of players 1 thru 5. Especially in college ball, those positions have blended. I can envision Yurt playing alongside one of the incoming frosh centers at times. I can also see a smaller and athletic lineup with only one of the “bigs” on the floor. Positioning, desire, and quickness are paramount. Not to mention skill. We shall see. If we can’t be optimistic now there is no hope for the future. Keep the faith.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 29, 2019 16:55:48 GMT -5
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Post by prhoya on Apr 29, 2019 17:03:53 GMT -5
I think it'll be a mistake to play Wahab at the 4, do you really think he's ready to guard players like Diallo from PC or Samuel from Nova or the many smaller line-ups teams will play next season? If he's playing the 4 one of his strengths in rim protection(which I think is overrated) gets negated... Wahab can't play the four. I'll repeat it for those in the back Wahab CAN'T PLAY THE FOUR. You are what position you can defend. Wahab would struggle with lateral quickness and perimeter awareness necessary to defend on the perimeter. He would get lost on cross screens, slip screens, flare screens, etc that you have to defend when defending skilled/stretch Fours. He got eaten alive by EJ Jarvis (Sidwell Friends) whose skill set and size is actually quite similar to Grayson Carter this past high school season. Etomic also brings up solid point that one of his strength is rim protection and that would all but be eliminated by having him try to defend the other teams four man. I love Wahab and think he will surprise a ton of folks this upcoming season but he's a Center and a Center only.... Can you see him playing 5 on defense and 4 on offense to Omer? How about in zone?
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 29, 2019 17:20:04 GMT -5
Wahab can't play the four. I'll repeat it for those in the back Wahab CAN'T PLAY THE FOUR. You are what position you can defend. Wahab would struggle with lateral quickness and perimeter awareness necessary to defend on the perimeter. He would get lost on cross screens, slip screens, flare screens, etc that you have to defend when defending skilled/stretch Fours. He got eaten alive by EJ Jarvis (Sidwell Friends) whose skill set and size is actually quite similar to Grayson Carter this past high school season. Etomic also brings up solid point that one of his strength is rim protection and that would all but be eliminated by having him try to defend the other teams four man. I love Wahab and think he will surprise a ton of folks this upcoming season but he's a Center and a Center only.... Can you see him playing 5 on defense and 4 on offense to Omer? How about in zone? Then I’d ask if you want Omer covering Diallo or Samuel? PE doesn’t like to play zone, I saw a stat recently that of the 2500+ possessions Gtown played defensively this past season less than 100 were zone...
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Apr 29, 2019 17:28:59 GMT -5
I hate this development; best of luck to Mr. Carter.
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Post by kettlehill on Apr 29, 2019 17:31:18 GMT -5
This angers me a bit....because I don’t think the kid got a chance to prove what he could do. In the few minutes that he played, he certainly did not look lost, so there is a possibility that this could bite us in the ass. IMHO, he should have had a good part of Treys minutes. Which is why I am glad that we did not get Cole Anthony because it seems to me that Patrick might have a weakness for his friends kids. On the other hand, I am really pleased that Pickett and Blair are hanging in. I hope.
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Post by prhoya on Apr 29, 2019 17:33:34 GMT -5
Can you see him playing 5 on defense and 4 on offense to Omer? How about in zone? Then I’d ask if you want Omer covering Diallo or Samuel? If you want to ask questions, ask Hoyas4Ever. My question was to him, not you. I'm looking for someone who has seen Yurt play live. I've seen the videos. And, without seeing him live, yes I would not mind Omer playing 4 and if Diallo or Samuel gets around him, QW will be waiting in the kente. They're not getting to the rim. PE doesn’t like to play zone, I saw a stat recently that of the 2500+ possessions Gtown played defensively this past season less than 100 were zone... With all the size that he has, maybe this is the season to start using it more... just like Coach K switched to it in late January when his defense was getting burned.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Apr 29, 2019 17:34:46 GMT -5
Cole and Trey are apples and oranges.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 29, 2019 17:36:23 GMT -5
Hope he chooses wisely. Too many here are consumed with the past notions of players 1 thru 5. Especially in college ball, those positions have blended. I can envision Yurt playing alongside one of the incoming frosh centers at times. I can also see a smaller and athletic lineup with only one of the “bigs” on the floor. Positioning, desire, and quickness are paramount. Not to mention skill. We shall see. If we can’t be optimistic now there is no hope for the future. Keep the faith. This is right, except there is no trend of playing two bigs together. The trend has been in the opposite direction. Unless you have bigs who can shoot (like Marcus Derrickson and Govan), you really can't play two traditional bigs together in the modern game.
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Post by arlingtonhoya05 on Apr 29, 2019 17:50:58 GMT -5
I still can't believe Pat gave Trey so much run this season, at the expense of Carter's development and player relations. Ugh. Best of luck to the young man- I'll be rooting for him.
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Apr 29, 2019 18:09:02 GMT -5
Perhaps not as a general approach, but Xavier killed us on the boards in our first game by starting a couple of big men. We could effectively use that lineup in certain matchups, though. Would have helped vs Xavier, SMU, and Seton Hall, for example.
It wouldn’t work to have Q guard Diallo, but that’s because Diallo is a 6’7” guard, not a 4, and PC happened to play a four-guard lineup this year.
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 29, 2019 18:23:01 GMT -5
Then I’d ask if you want Omer covering Diallo or Samuel? If you want to ask questions, ask Hoyas4Ever. My question was to him, not you. I'm looking for someone who has seen Yurt play live. I've seen the videos. And, without seeing him live, yes I would not mind Omer playing 4 and if Diallo or Samuel gets around him, QW will be waiting in the kente. They're not getting to the rim. PE doesn’t like to play zone, I saw a stat recently that of the 2500+ possessions Gtown played defensively this past season less than 100 were zone... With all the size that he has, maybe this is the season to start using it more... just like Coach K switched to it in late January when his defense was getting burned. Geez, sorry for upsetting you Pr...
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 29, 2019 18:39:28 GMT -5
He just didn’t seem hyper athletic or explosive from what I saw.
Ewing is loading up on guys who are Uber explosive. His team is going to athletically matchup with any team on the country even though they aren’t McDonald’s all Americans.
I think it’s a good plan and something Texas tech and auburn did well. You can go far because there tremendous upside. If you are athletically limited there’s not much that can be done about that.
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Post by prhoya on Apr 29, 2019 18:45:27 GMT -5
If you want to ask questions, ask Hoyas4Ever. My question was to him, not you. I'm looking for someone who has seen Yurt play live. I've seen the videos. And, without seeing him live, yes I would not mind Omer playing 4 and if Diallo or Samuel gets around him, QW will be waiting in the kente. They're not getting to the rim. With all the size that he has, maybe this is the season to start using it more... just like Coach K switched to it in late January when his defense was getting burned. Geez, sorry for upsetting you Pr... All good
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Post by hoyas315 on Apr 29, 2019 18:50:05 GMT -5
He just didn’t seem hyper athletic or explosive from what I saw. Ewing is loading up on guys who are Uber explosive. His team is going to athletically matchup with any team on the country even though they aren’t McDonald’s all Americans. I think it’s a good plan and something Texas tech and auburn did well. You can go far because there tremendous upside. If you are athletically limited there’s not much that can be done about that. I agree with this. Grayson can stroke it but he’s an undersized 4 or an unathletic 3. Makes him especially vulnerable on defense. As much as I enjoyed Govan he was athletically limited too. Next years rotation will be much more athletic.
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Post by TC on Apr 29, 2019 19:06:12 GMT -5
I'm sorry to see him go. I'll always remember the Providence radio guys losing their minds when Carter hit the second three in the Providence game. Those guys absolutely went bananas, could not comprehend that maybe Carter could shoot it a bit.
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 29, 2019 19:08:17 GMT -5
He just didn’t seem hyper athletic or explosive from what I saw. Ewing is loading up on guys who are Uber explosive. His team is going to athletically matchup with any team on the country even though they aren’t McDonald’s all Americans. I think it’s a good plan and something Texas tech and auburn did well. You can go far because there tremendous upside. If you are athletically limited there’s not much that can be done about that. I agree with this. Grayson can stroke it but he’s an undersized 4 or an unathletic 3. Makes him especially vulnerable on defense. As much as I enjoyed Govan he was athletically limited too. Next years rotation will be much more athletic. Even at the 4 or 5 Carter didn’t look explosive. I see Ewing is surrounding Akinjo and Mac with guys who will form an alley opping high flying layup line.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Apr 29, 2019 19:42:06 GMT -5
Kids are going to transfer left and right now. It’s just the new normal.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Apr 29, 2019 19:50:40 GMT -5
Wahab can't play the four. I'll repeat it for those in the back Wahab CAN'T PLAY THE FOUR. You are what position you can defend. Wahab would struggle with lateral quickness and perimeter awareness necessary to defend on the perimeter. He would get lost on cross screens, slip screens, flare screens, etc that you have to defend when defending skilled/stretch Fours. He got eaten alive by EJ Jarvis (Sidwell Friends) whose skill set and size is actually quite similar to Grayson Carter this past high school season. Etomic also brings up solid point that one of his strength is rim protection and that would all but be eliminated by having him try to defend the other teams four man. I love Wahab and think he will surprise a ton of folks this upcoming season but he's a Center and a Center only.... Can you see him playing 5 on defense and 4 on offense to Omer? How about in zone? Like Etomic said which of the 2 Bigs are going to guard the stretch four. Yurt7 isn't going to be much better on the perimeter against skilled, quicker, perimeter oriented Four Men. Could they work in a zone. Yeah sure in a situational usage. A defensive play here and there based on matchups but overall they would struggle with guarding on the perimeter which one of them would have to do in a zone. Most teams run their man offense vs. Zone defenses now especially those that use heavy ball PnR & PnP actions, or weak side flare screens, side screens, slip screens, strongside baseline screens, etc. It's a lot to ask of Bigs who have never done and to easy to isolate in space a skilled quick wing vs. a slower Big. Also Coach Ewing has yet to show a real preference of playing zone. Etomic have the numbers in one of his post above of how little Coach Ewing has played zone in his first two years. Maybethe roster has dictated that and with more length that will change. I doubt it! I think it's because playing zone for long periods of time slows down the pace of play and he has said over and over he wants to play with a high pressure fast paced style.
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