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Post by Nevada Hoya on Aug 25, 2017 15:58:04 GMT -5
The preseason polls for this year's cross country are starting to come out. Flotrack is the first of the polls. They have the men at 21, which is where they were last year. Returning the injured Amos Bartelsmeyer an Jon Green (top 5 finish two years ago, and training at altitude this summer) indicates that the Hoyas might be top 20 this year. If the freshmen of last year make a big jump, then we may be looking at a top 10-15 ranking. www.flotrack.org/video/1245672-2017-floxc-countdown-21-georgetown-men#.WaCNTSiGPIU
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Aug 27, 2017 22:35:56 GMT -5
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Aug 28, 2017 16:03:09 GMT -5
The first week of Regional rankings. For the women:
Mid-Atlantic Region
There is very little reason to remove Penn State from the No. 1 spot in the Mid-Atlantic Region after back-to-back region titles. The Nittany Lions had no turnover from last year and feature a potent 1-2-3 combination at the top of their lineup with Tessa Barrett, Jillian Hunsberger and Elizabeth Chikotas. Villanova is ranked No. 2, followed by Georgetown and both return a strong number of runners from their top-7 and welcome a talented freshman class.
The women are not as deep as the men, but I will take a #3 regional ranking at this time.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Aug 28, 2017 16:08:46 GMT -5
The men are ranked #1 in the Mid-Atlantic region.
Again from the US Track and Field and Cross Country Coaches:
Georgetown has won four of the past six titles in this region and is favored again. The top-ranked Hoyas return four of its seven runners from NCAAs last year, all of whom are either sophomores or juniors. No. 2 Navy will have to rebuild after losing a bunch of runners to graduation, including Lucas Stalnaker (88th overall at NCAAs last year). No. 3 Princeton is in the same boat as the Midshipmen, as is No. 4 Penn. No. 5 Penn State rounds out the top-5.
They say we return four of our seven runners from the NCAAs last all, all of whom are either sophomores or juniors. However, Jon Green and Amos Bartelsmeyer, both grad students, return after missing last year from injuries.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Aug 29, 2017 15:07:06 GMT -5
In the US Track and Field and XC coaches poll, the women are ranked 26th. I hope this is not being generous, as the women did not make the NCAAs last year (31 teams). We have some good recruits, but mainly the middle distance variety. Martha MacDonald is the only new freshmen that can be marked as XC elite. Coming back are Paige Hofstad, whom I hope has a good year and can be our #1 XC runner. Also Maddy Perez is the only Hoya, who ran the 10,000m last year. Maddy trained part of the summer with Joh Green and Autumn Eastman in Flagstaff at altitude. Kennedy Weisner was our best overall runner last year in the mile, so I hope that transfers to the 5 and 6K that the women run. Also, our transfer from Yale, Meredith Rizzo, is an experienced XC runner and should add to the team in her graduate year. Piper Donaghu, Margie Cullen, and Maegan Doody will be contesting the top seven positions.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Aug 29, 2017 15:20:40 GMT -5
The men in the US Track and Field and XC coaches poll come in at 16th (more realistic, IMO, than the flotrack poll). As an interesting aside, the teams ranked #1 and #2, NAU and Stanford, are both coach by Hoya alumni and coaches, Mike Smith and Chris Miltenberg.
It should be interesting to see the top seven for the men this year. We are very deep, but maybe not top heavy, as we have only one runner, who should be a top 20 or top 10 runner, Jon Green. Also, who will redshirt and always we have to watch out for who is injured. Michael Crozier and Nick Golebiowski are, besides Joh Green, the only true long distance runners with some experience at the college level. Adam Barnard was a bit inconsistent, but he could be a good XC runner.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Sept 1, 2017 13:42:39 GMT -5
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Sept 7, 2017 13:57:32 GMT -5
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Post by reformation on Sept 7, 2017 19:47:39 GMT -5
Agree-the author the hoya article could use an editor--kind of embarrassing that something this poorly written gets published. Besides that, excited for start of the season. I think the men will surprise to the upside--women's ranking is more on past glory, though perhaps if both the transfer meredith rizzo and new frosh canadian recruit can perform at a high level the team can make a top 20 or so ncaa run.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Sept 8, 2017 13:38:19 GMT -5
The women did well today at Penn State. The top 25:
1 Jillian Hunsberger, Sr 21:07 5:39 Penn State 2 Paige Stoner, Sr 21:10 5:40 Syracuse 3 Kelly Hayes, Sr 21:17 5:42 Pittsburgh 4 Kathryn Munks, So 21:22 5:44 Penn State 5 Piper Donaghu, Sr 21:25 5:44 Georgetown 6 Madeline Perez, Jr 21:27 5:45 Georgetown 7 Christine Bendzinski, Sr 21:34 5:47 Bucknell 8 Alison Willingmyre, Fr 21:34 5:47 Penn State 9 Julien Webster, Fr 21:34 5:47 Syracuse 10 Autumn Eastman, Sr 21:42 5:49 Georgetown 11 Greta Lindsley, Jr 21:44 5:49 Penn State 12 Amy Cashin, Sr 21:49 5:51 West Virginia 13 Shannon Malone, Jr 21:49 5:51 Syracuse 14 Maegan Doody, So 21:51 5:51 Georgetown 15 Margie Cullen, So 21:52 5:51 Georgetown 16 Madeleine Davison, So 21:53 5:52 Syracuse 17 Jenna Farmer, Jr 21:56 5:53 Bucknell 18 Josette Norris, Sr 21:59 5:54 Georgetown 19 Joslin Sellers, Sr 22:04 5:55 Pittsburgh 20 Colleen Buckley, Jr 22:05 5:55 Bucknell 21 Aleta Looker, Sr 22:08 5:56 Georgetown 22 Amy Kelly, Sr 22:10 5:56 Pittsburgh 23 Makenzie Zeh, Jr 22:13 5:57 Pittsburgh 24 Olivia Hill, So 22:17 5:58 West Virginia 25 Miranda Salvo, Jr 22:19 5:59 Pittsburgh
From this listing the women beat Penn State because PSU's 5th women came in 29th, so for an invitational meet GU scored 50 points while PSU scored 53. However, Penn State has another way of saying that their women won since they scored the race on a dual meet basis and PSU had six wins and GU had 5 wins. Face to face Penn State had 27 and GU had 30.
PLACE TEAM POINTS PLACES OF FINISHERS AVG. TIME SPREAD
1 Penn State 27 1 2 5 7 12 13 14 21:40 1:24 2 Georgetown 30 3 4 6 8 9 10 11 21:40 0:27
So Georgetown win the invitational, while PSU won the dual meet. The Georgetown spread was a great 27 seconds. And GU got all seven of their runners ahead of PSU's 5th runner.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Sept 8, 2017 14:08:49 GMT -5
The men actually did worse than the women, mainly because they held out some of the best runners (Jon Green, Spencer Brown, Amos Bartelsmeyer, etc.)
The top 50:
PLACE FINISHER TIME PACE TEAM
1 Colin Abert, Jr 25:46 4:57 Penn State 2 Aidan Tooker, So 25:50 4:58 Syracuse 3 Timothy McGowan, Sr 25:53 4:59 Penn State Pace: 5:00 | Top 4 Kevin James, So 26:06 5:01 Syracuse 5 Reilly Bloomer, So 26:07 5:01 Georgetown 6 Joe Dragon, Fr 26:14 5:03 Syracuse 7 Bobby Hill, Sr 26:15 5:03 Penn State 8 Dominic Hockenbry, Fr 26:18 5:03 Syracuse 9 Henry Smithers, So 26:22 5:04 Georgetown 10 Austin Pondel, Sr 26:24 5:04 Edinboro 11 Simon Smith, So 26:25 5:05 Syracuse 12 William Bordash, Sr 26:31 5:06 Bucknell 13 John McGowan, Jr 26:31 5:06 Penn State 14 Andrew Sell 26:33 5:06 Una 15 Billy McDevitt, So 26:47 5:09 Penn State 16 Drew Dorflinger, So 26:47 5:09 Bucknell 17 Gene Baritot, Jr 26:48 5:09 Edinboro 18 Brady Bobbitt, So 26:54 5:10 Penn State 19 Nicholas Wareham, Fr 27:02 5:12 Georgetown 20 Ben Bumgarner, Fr 27:05 5:12 Penn State 21 Johnathan Chavez, Fr 27:06 5:13 Georgetown 22 Michael Bortolot, Fr 27:07 5:13 Bucknell 23 Eion Nohilly, Fr 27:11 5:14 Georgetown 24 Jack Salisbury, Fr 27:14 5:14 Georgetown 25 Chad Sussman, Jr 27:15 5:14 Bucknell 26 Dylan Scarsone, Fr 27:21 5:16 Georgetown 27 Jared Hallow, Jr 27:23 5:16 Edinboro 28 Kyle Adams, Sr 27:25 5:16 Bucknell 29 Kent Hall, Fr 27:29 5:17 Georgetown 30 Brian Dengler, So 27:31 5:17 Bucknell 31 Will Cather 27:35 5:18 Una 32 Colton Cassel, Fr 27:37 5:18 Edinboro 33 Connor McMenamin, Fr 27:37 5:19 Bucknell 34 Evan Minor, Fr 27:38 5:19 Bucknell 35 Brandon Hontz 27:43 5:20 Psu Una 36 William Loevner, So 27:48 5:21 Penn State 37 Jon Gusew, Sr 27:49 5:21 Edinboro 38 Eduardo Tapia, Jr 28:08 5:24 Edinboro 39 Domenic Perretta, Fr 28:10 5:25 Penn State 40 Alex Tomasko 28:14 5:26 Psu Una 41 Mike McLaughlin, Jr 28:18 5:26 Edinboro 42 Joseph Stark, Fr 28:19 5:27 Bucknell 43 Vail Freed 28:22 5:27 Psu Una 44 Benjamin Littmann, Fr 28:25 5:28 Bucknell 45 Matt Vira, So 28:35 5:30 Bucknell 46 Chandler Brooks, Jr 28:38 5:30 Edinboro 47 Owen Wing 28:44 5:31 Psu Una 48 James Weissenborn, So 28:49 5:32 Bucknell 49 Dylan Fine, Fr 28:52 5:33 Georgetown 50 Landin Delaney, Jr 29:11 5:37 Bucknell
Going by invitational scoring Syracuse scored 31, PSU 57, and the Hoyas 77. However, what was encouraging was the performance of some of the younger GU runners, who didn't make the top seven from last year, especially Reilly Bloomer and Henry Smithers. Reilly is from Eugene, so he must have attached himself to some good runners in the running capital of the US. Henry spent the summer with Spencer Brown, so he got some good training with Spencer. A bit disappointment with Eion Nohilly and Jack Salisbury, who came in 23rd and 24th, respectively. Since they were next to each other, I think the plan was for them to run a tempo run together. They are both classified as freshman, but gradewise they are sophomores. This was their first XC race for Georgetown, so they must have gone out cautiously.
In terms of dual meets Syr had five wins, PSU four, and the Hoyas 3.
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Post by reformation on Sept 8, 2017 21:03:11 GMT -5
men showed nice improvement in times vs last yr. Women more of a mixed bag as some runners were slower than last yr while Donaghu/Cullen showed nice improvement. More of a warm up meet for both teams-take the positives , don't dwell on the negatives. We'll have a better idea where the teams really stand after the next meet.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Sept 9, 2017 0:26:11 GMT -5
www.guhoyas.com/sports/m-xctrack/recaps/090817aaa.html (I think guhoyas.com might have been looking at Hoya Talk ) This meet really doesn't count in the at-large rankings. Those start in a week or two, so today was a meet of trying things out and not worrying about winning. Agaain, the top two teams at regionals make the NCAA plus about 13 at large teams based on a complicated scoring system that involved wins against top teams. When the clock is ticking then is the time to try to beat other teams.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Sept 10, 2017 16:56:29 GMT -5
Big winners vis a vis last years times at this meet are Reilly Bloomer (1:46 improvement), Henry Smithers (1:37), and Margie Cullen (0:58).
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Sept 10, 2017 17:05:27 GMT -5
www.guhoyas.com/sports/m-xctrack/recaps/090817aaa.html (I think guhoyas.com might have been looking at Hoya Talk ) This meet really doesn't count in the at-large rankings. Those start in a week or two, so today was a meet of trying things out and not worrying about winning. Agaain, the top two teams at regionals make the NCAA plus about 13 at large teams based on a complicated scoring system that involved wins against top teams. When the clock is ticking then is the time to try to beat other teams. I was wrong on this. Sept. 8 was the earliest meet to be countable for at large purposes. Let's see how this affects the polls. Probably positive for the women, since PSU women are ranked 11th. Probably not too much for the men. Although this meet is a countable for at large purposes, the pollsters understand that GU ran essentially a B-team.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Sept 11, 2017 13:07:46 GMT -5
The women moved up one spot in the regional rankings:
Mid-Atlantic Region
The Nittany Lions of Penn State have competed twice on the young season already, winning both the Lock Haven Dolan Duels and the Harry Groves Spiked Shoe Invitational, with Jillian Hunsberger pacing the field in both meets.
Georgetown climbed one spot to second after putting three runners in the top-10 at the aforementioned Harry Groves Spiked Shoe Invitational, knocking Villanova –who has yet to race – down to third.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Sept 11, 2017 13:09:43 GMT -5
The men remain #1 in the Mid-Atlantic region.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Sept 12, 2017 13:19:48 GMT -5
In the national rankings the women fell one spot. This is a little curious since Penn State has remained at #11, and the Hoyas, if you scored the meet as an invitational, beat PSU. Of course, PSU scored it as a bunch of dual meets and they beat the Hoyas if you considered only the PSU and Hoya runners.
Right ahead of the Hoyas is Indiana, coached by former Hoya coach, Ron Helmer. Essentially, Indiana was the team replacing the Hoyas at #26.
26 indiana INDIANA Great Lakes Region (3) Big Ten Ron Helmer (11th) 70 (LW: RV) 27 georgetown GEORGETOWN Mid-Atlantic Region (2) Big East Julie Culley (2nd) 67 ▼ 1
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Sept 12, 2017 13:24:50 GMT -5
The men, curiously, jumped a spot to #15. They did worse at the meet at Penn State, but moved a spot. I think the pollsters were cognizant of the fact that the Hoyas were running a B team, but the B team runners did very well and our first two runners improved greatly over last year.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Sept 16, 2017 12:27:48 GMT -5
I hate to post this, but since it is about cross country and since it mentions Georgetown, well here we go:
“I got to do what almost any distance coach in this country would like to do: have control of the scholarships and be told I want a great cross country program before I want anything else by the AD. We were given a really nice gift and it was up to us. Didn’t have any limitations put on us. … I don’t know that we ever thought we would really win a national championship, but we were going to coach like that, we were going to recruit like that, we were going to evolve that. We got made fun of a lot early on. We used to keep a list on these whiteboards of coaches that we really love and respect that told us, It can’t be done there. You cannot do it at Syracuse. You’re going up against ‘Nova, you’re going up against Georgetown, you’re going up against Providence. You’re going up against the East Coast establishment with a program that’s never done it.” – Syracuse University head coach Chris Fox talking about starting with a program that hadn’t made NCAAs in over 30 years and working up to becoming the 2015 NCAA champions.
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