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Post by hoyawatcher on Aug 29, 2017 14:23:28 GMT -5
As for the Ivies, they do have lower standards for admission of their vball athletes. Brown indicates "top 10% of their class" and that the vball team "gets admission slots". Columbia states, "3.5gpa and 27 ACT or 1200 SAT" required for admission of their vball recruits. I would guess the other Ivies follow similiar admissons requirements as their brethern shown here. I know those requirement are LOWER than what Georgetown admissions require of vball recruits. Basketball recruits, as mentioned, have different requirements. The 3.5 / 1200 or 1250 was what we were quoted at Cornell, Columbia and Yale. A bit dated though for completeness. I actually wasn't trying to be comparative to GU because I don't know what standard GU uses - it never was an issue.
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Post by Toby2 on Aug 29, 2017 15:23:30 GMT -5
As for the Ivies, they do have lower standards for admission of their vball athletes. Brown indicates "top 10% of their class" and that the vball team "gets admission slots". Columbia states, "3.5gpa and 27 ACT or 1200 SAT" required for admission of their vball recruits. I would guess the other Ivies follow similiar admissons requirements as their brethern shown here. I know those requirement are LOWER than what Georgetown admissions require of vball recruits. Basketball recruits, as mentioned, have different requirements. The 3.5 / 1200 or 1250 was what we were quoted at Cornell, Columbia and Yale. A bit dated though for completeness. I actually wasn't trying to be comparative to GU because I don't know what standard GU uses - it never was an issue. My understanding is Gtown uses 3.75 gpa unweighted and 28 ACT for athletes other than basketball SA
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Post by RusskyHoya on Aug 29, 2017 16:23:43 GMT -5
As for the Ivies, they do have lower standards for admission of their vball athletes. Brown indicates "top 10% of their class" and that the vball team "gets admission slots". Columbia states, "3.5gpa and 27 ACT or 1200 SAT" required for admission of their vball recruits. I would guess the other Ivies follow similiar admissons requirements as their brethern shown here. I know those requirement are LOWER than what Georgetown admissions require of vball recruits. Basketball recruits, as mentioned, have different requirements. I'd defer to someone like Jack, since I was not an actual admissions officer and he was, but from my time working in the Undergraduate Admissions office I developed a reasonable understanding of the process. At both Georgetown and the Ivies, everything is... negotiable. Primarily, it is a negotiation between Admissions office - which is responsible for keeping the overall class profile up and not incurring faculty wrath - and the coaches. Others get involved in rare cases of escalation. So take whatever Columbia or whoever else writes publicly with a grain of salt. These places don't usually like to limit their options, and as private schools, they're not subject to public oversight and outrage about lack of hard standards. I'll leave it at that.
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Post by reformation on Aug 30, 2017 12:16:22 GMT -5
The Ivies use an academic index which requires recruiting classes for each sport on avg to hit some % of the academic stats of the incoming class. While the Columbia #'s posted are probably suggested min stds, their class as a whole would still have to hit the academic index req for Columbia9which would be higher than a similar # for Gtwn). Gtwn uses something similar for some sports(mostly limited scholarship $) in terms of allocating sports recruiting slots based on admissions dept academic rankings, i.e., coach could balance a superstar poor academic performer with a recruit that can pretty much get in on his/her own. Gtwn's approach is similar though it seems more arbitrary than what the ivies do. Seems like there's pretty wide latitude to get anyone in at Gtwn for lax soccer track and bball. Don't know re volleyball specifically but it would seem strange(but its Gtwn) that it would be the only heavy scholarship sport at Gtwn that does not have pretty good academic recruiting flexibility.
All schools make exceptions for the sports they care about but I'm pretty skeptical that Gtwn has lower academic stds for its volleyball recruits than the ivies-
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Post by hoyawatcher on Aug 30, 2017 14:12:08 GMT -5
The Ivies use an academic index which requires recruiting classes for each sport on avg to hit some % of the academic stats of the incoming class. While the Columbia #'s posted are probably suggested min stds, their class as a whole would still have to hit the academic index req for Columbia9which would be higher than a similar # for Gtwn). Gtwn uses something similar for some sports(mostly limited scholarship $) in terms of allocating sports recruiting slots based on admissions dept academic rankings, i.e., coach could balance a superstar poor academic performer with a recruit that can pretty much get in on his/her own. Gtwn's approach is similar though it seems more arbitrary than what the ivies do. Seems like there's pretty wide latitude to get anyone in at Gtwn for lax soccer track and bball. Don't know re volleyball specifically but it would seem strange(but its Gtwn) that it would be the only heavy scholarship sport at Gtwn that does not have pretty good academic recruiting flexibility. All schools make exceptions for the sports they care about but I'm pretty skeptical that Gtwn has lower academic stds for its volleyball recruits than the ivies- Again, GU is the one I know the least about as my daughter could get in as a regular student. My friend had a son who played FB in the Ivy and his description of academic requirements fIor admission for FB was exactly how you described. Sliding scale - low for athletic studs as long as he was balanced out by someone much higher on the scale. There may have been scales at the 3-4 Ivys we went to but each described their standards for my daughter's admission exactly the same way. We need you to have 3.5 and 1200/1250 SAT. No discussion of any scale for that. Now again she was way above that so maybe we just never saw it but to us no discussion of scales. I guess I am the one who started the rabbit trail of Ivys versus GU academic standards for VB. Apologies as my point wasn't to try to say GU was higher than the Ivys but that they were reasonably similar and that the cost of going to the Ivys is not that bad (not free) unless you make a lot of money and the 10% requirement grabs you. Beyond that, the point should be the new building answers a lot of issues around the team - but certainly not all. The academics are an issue. You have to be able to identify and sell the right kids. Plus ships. But right now the team seems to be doing better. Had a really good weekend. Hope it keeps up. And come see them.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Aug 30, 2017 15:06:17 GMT -5
Except for this weekend, when you can't, because they'll be playing behind 17 layers of security on base at the Pentagon/Fort Myer. I hope the final score isn't classified!
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Post by Toby2 on Sept 1, 2017 14:28:02 GMT -5
Hoyas beat The Citadel today 3-0
Hoyas record now stands at 3-1. Two matches tomorrow against Columbia and Army in The Pentagon tourney
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Post by hoyawatcher on Sept 2, 2017 14:06:59 GMT -5
In the first match Saturday Hoyas take Columbia 3-0
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Post by Toby2 on Sept 2, 2017 16:48:49 GMT -5
Hoyas beat Army 3-0. Move to 5-1 on the season.
Won all three matches this weekend and didnt drop a set.
Congrats to the team!
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Post by RusskyHoya on Sept 3, 2017 11:44:18 GMT -5
Hoyas beat Army 3-0. Move to 5-1 on the season. Won all three matches this weekend and didnt drop a set. Congrats to the team! Photo evidence was exfiltrated from mysterious Ft. Myer, where no fans are allowed to tread. Many Bothans died to bring us this information.
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Post by hoyawatcher on Sept 3, 2017 15:01:53 GMT -5
Hoyas did what they should do in the stealthy conditions of Ft Meyers. Those were 3 teams they should beat easily. Next weekend is a little more intriguing - at least beyond Copin State. Buffalo split with Rutgers and Seton Hall while James Madison is usually a pretty good VB team. Not national championship level but one that is a indicator of whether we have made real progress or not.
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Post by hilltophoya on Sept 5, 2017 9:03:23 GMT -5
Hoyas did what they should do in the stealthy conditions of Ft Meyers. Those were 3 teams they should beat easily. Next weekend is a little more intriguing - at least beyond Copin State. Buffalo split with Rutgers and Seton Hall while James Madison is usually a pretty good VB team. Not national championship level but one that is a indicator of whether we have made real progress or not. Still, it is nice to see them beating teams that they should beat easily. That, in itself, suggests progress. Aside from an inexplicable sweep at Villanova (RPI 72*), the Hoyas wins last year were against teams ranked 248, 253, 275, 292 and 296. In light of that, it's encouraging to see wins over teams ranked 88, 146, 156, 166 and 302. Hopefully they can keep it up this weekend against James Madison (50), Coppin State (329) and a seemingly improved Buffalo (307). Obviously, JMU looks to be the biggest challenge. It will be nice for the team to be playing on campus this weekend. And, it will be nice for some of us fans in other parts of the country to have an opportunity to watch the matches online and see for ourselves whether the Hoyas have made any "real progress." Hopefully, those of you in the DC area will go support the Hoyas (especially Friday evening against JMU). *All RPI ranks are from last year. I realize, of course, that a lot can change in a season.
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Post by Toby2 on Sept 10, 2017 8:45:50 GMT -5
Volleyball goes 1-2 this weekend beating Coppin State 3-0 and losing to James Madison (Ncaa tourney team last year) and Buffalo in 5 sets each.
Probably couldve beat James Madison but had far too many attack errors and serving errors to overcome.
Against Buffalo they probably shouldve won as they outscored Buffalo. Had more kills and blocks than buffalo but serving errors was the difference at Gtown had 17 and buffalo had just 8.
Gtown vball season record stands at 6-3.
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Post by hilltophoya on Sept 13, 2017 17:05:27 GMT -5
Volleyball will hit the road for the first time this season, heading to Houston to play three matches in Rice's tournament. It should be a challenging weekend.
Friday @ 11:00 a.m. - Arkansas State (5-5) (2016 RPI 55) Saturday @ 4:30 p.m. - Stephen F. Austin (11-2) (2016 RPI 169) Saturday @ 7:00 p.m. - Rice (7-4) (2016 RPI 66)
All three teams have played some pretty stiff competition already this season, so the Hoyas have their work cut out for them.
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Post by TrueHoyaBlue on Sept 14, 2017 5:59:57 GMT -5
Would 1-2 be a decent result to hope for, given the competition? (At least in terms of showing progress)?
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Post by hilltophoya on Sept 14, 2017 7:16:09 GMT -5
Would 1-2 be a decent result to hope for, given the competition? (At least in terms of showing progress)? Well, assuming that SFA is better than they were last year -- and the numbers seem to support that -- I think it's pretty likely that last year's team would have gone 0-3 against a group like this. All three of these teams won at least 20 matches last year. So, yeah, I think that going 1-2 would seem to show some progress as compared to last year's team. I think that it's worth pointing out that even if they do go 0-3 this weekend -- which I'm not predicting...I think they'll get at least one -- it's pretty clear that this team has made progress as compared to last year. Hopefully it will be reflected in their final record and in the conference standing (I believe it will), but there is no question the Hoyas are better than last season. They're 6-3 right now (after going 7-24 last year), and all three losses have been in five sets. They've been right in all three matches they lost and could easily have won each of them -- and probably would have won two of them if not for some really unfortunate serving. Buffalo stands as the only so-called "bad" loss at this point, and even they are much improved this year as compared to past years. So, I'm hoping that this weekend's results will make it obvious that they're making progress. But even if it's a rough weekend for the Hoyas against some pretty stiff competition, know that they've definitely made progress.
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Post by hoyawatcher on Sept 17, 2017 20:56:41 GMT -5
I do think they are making progress but the last 2 weekends make it hard to have something to point to. One win short each weekend to have something in hand. Both SFA and ArkState have wins over low end SEC programs so they are not chopped liver but you still want to see us break through with one of them or JMU or ...
After a likely bad experience against Creighton (who has multiple top 20 wins) looks like we have a shot against Providence and potentially Xavier who doesn't look as strong as they usually do. Need a couple of wins in the first 2 weeks.
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Post by hilltophoya on Sept 19, 2017 15:19:36 GMT -5
I do think they are making progress but the last 2 weekends make it hard to have something to point to. One win short each weekend to have something in hand. Both SFA and ArkState have wins over low end SEC programs so they are not chopped liver but you still want to see us break through with one of them or JMU or ... After a likely bad experience against Creighton (who has multiple top 20 wins) looks like we have a shot against Providence and potentially Xavier who doesn't look as strong as they usually do. Need a couple of wins in the first 2 weeks. Hard to argue with anything you've said. Should be an interesting weekend, but not sure how much it will reveal. Last year Creighton swept the Hoyas who, in turn, swept Providence. If I were a betting man, I would expect the team to go 1-1 this weekend -- just like they did on this road trip last year. Hopefully, more competitive against Creighton than last year and handle Providence convincingly. I kind of hate to see the Hoyas facing a ticked off Creighton squad coming off two losses. Next week - Xavier and Butler - might offer a better opportunity to gauge progress. It's good to have this road trip out of the way early. The DC-Omaha-Providence-DC trip must make for a long weekend. This trip closed the season last year.
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Post by hilltophoya on Sept 23, 2017 10:58:48 GMT -5
As expected, the Hoyas lost to Creighton last night. Also, probably expected, Creighton came out strong and blasted Georgetown in the first two sets. Perhaps unexpected, Georgetown won the third set. And then they got blasted again in the fourth. 12-25; 11-25; 25-20; 11-25.
It's no news flash that Creighton is a much stronger team. Taking a set off them was an encouraging accomplishment; a sign of the progress that some in this thread have been pointing to. But those other three sets...wow. They were rough. The third set was very good. Georgetown served well and hit the ball well. They avoided the errors that plagued them the rest of the match. It's worth noting that Creighton did not empty it's bench in the third set; that win came against the same women that played the first two sets. And even in that set, Creighton hit 0.300, which is actually a respectable number. Georgetown just played very well and offered a glimpse of what they can do. They just need to do it more consistently. Also worth noting, the graduate transfer Eichie did not play. She has been an important piece for the Hoyas this season, and her absence in the middle was apparent on both offense and defense.
Tomorrow is Providence, who beat Villanova yesterday (3-1). They seem improved this year, so I hope the Hoyas don't suffer a misstep. For what it's worth, the two teams' only common opponent so far this year is Army, who was swept by Georgetown and then swept Providence a couple weeks later. But it's always risky to take too much from those results.
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Post by Toby2 on Sept 24, 2017 10:03:15 GMT -5
As expected, the Hoyas lost to Creighton last night. Also, probably expected, Creighton came out strong and blasted Georgetown in the first two sets. Perhaps unexpected, Georgetown won the third set. And then they got blasted again in the fourth. 12-25; 11-25; 25-20; 11-25. It's no news flash that Creighton is a much stronger team. Taking a set off them was an encouraging accomplishment; a sign of the progress that some in this thread have been pointing to. But those other three sets...wow. They were rough. The third set was very good. Georgetown served well and hit the ball well. They avoided the errors that plagued them the rest of the match. It's worth noting that Creighton did not empty it's bench in the third set; that win came against the same women that played the first two sets. And even in that set, Creighton hit 0.300, which is actually a respectable number. Georgetown just played very well and offered a glimpse of what they can do. They just need to do it more consistently. Also worth noting, the graduate transfer Eichie did not play. She has been an important piece for the Hoyas this season, and her absence in the middle was apparent on both offense and defense. Tomorrow is Providence, who beat Villanova yesterday (3-1). They seem improved this year, so I hope the Hoyas don't suffer a misstep. For what it's worth, the two teams' only common opponent so far this year is Army, who was swept by Georgetown and then swept Providence a couple weeks later. But it's always risky to take too much from those results. I watched the creighton match via their streaming link. The Hoyas came out and played scared. It was apparent the big lights of playing a top ranked team in a jam packed and raucus arena had the girls on their heels. Creighton had a game plan to serve aggressively at certain players and it worked. Hoyas were aced, shanked balls and we were out of system all match. To her credit, Coach Williams made some lineup changes with her outside hitters that have been struggling the entire year. She also missed Eichie in the middle a ton. Hoyas problems stem from their outside hitters inability to pass a serve keeping the offense in system as well as hitting for a percentage greater than .220 This issue comes down to a few kids and the 9 scholarship limit causes lack of depth where by the staff doesnt have many options. They have done a nice job giving kids opportunities to take the job. Unfortunately, nobody has stepped up. Todays match against Providence will be on the Big East Network. First serve is at 1pm.
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