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Post by DanMcQ on Aug 13, 2017 9:42:34 GMT -5
Having just visited the campus and town Wednesday with my youngest daughter, I find the events there this weekend as well as the response from the Oval Office appalling. There is no room in America for behavior such as was witnessed in Charlottesville. It has nothing to do with free speech.
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Post by SSHoya on Aug 13, 2017 9:46:56 GMT -5
Trump is a morally bankrupt individual. The GOP enablers are similarly morally bankrupt. This is the same GOP crew that refused to denounce the birthers who are fundamentally racist. Yes, some GOPers may come out and condemn the Nazis/racists yet they will also continue to place their party above the country.
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Post by DanMcQ on Aug 13, 2017 10:00:01 GMT -5
Sadly, there is room for criticism across party lines, particularly for the inflammatory language used by ALL sides on Capitol Hill that serve to grind the government to a halt and polarize debate such that little positive gets done. Charlottesville is not an 'all sides' thing, but laying blame for it on one political party is not correct either in my view. Not absolving the tone set by the man in the Oval Office in the least.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 10:16:23 GMT -5
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Post by DanMcQ on Aug 13, 2017 10:26:39 GMT -5
One of the best places to start repairing this toxic environment is in our schools.
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Post by Nevada Hoya on Aug 13, 2017 23:17:13 GMT -5
Charlottesville shares a special spot in my heart, because my sister lived and died there, and the UVA hospital has some of her stained glass work. So I was shocked that this happened there. Knowing that this was a college town, the hate groups were asking for a confrontation.
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Post by DanMcQ on Aug 14, 2017 6:20:23 GMT -5
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Post by SSHoya on Aug 14, 2017 8:19:10 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Aug 14, 2017 10:46:41 GMT -5
People keep trying to pressure Trump to do/say the right thing. Trump said what he said, and he meant what he said.... He has revealed himself too many times for folks to try and play ignorant about what he stands for.
If you support, that's fine, but stop pretending this isn't part of it...
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Post by SSHoya on Aug 14, 2017 10:55:47 GMT -5
People keep trying to pressure Trump to do/say the right thing. Trump said what he said, and he meant what he said.... He has revealed himself too many times for folks to try and play ignorant about what he stands for. If you support, that's fine, but stop pretending this isn't part of it... "When someone shows you who they are, believe them the first time." -- Maya Angelou
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Post by SSHoya on Aug 14, 2017 11:21:46 GMT -5
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Post by hoyarooter on Aug 16, 2017 19:28:48 GMT -5
When you lie down with scum, what does that make you? I know I would be button-popping proud to be praised by the likes of David Duke and Richard Spencer.
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Post by Elvado on Aug 17, 2017 5:09:23 GMT -5
In the wake of Charlottesville and other protests aimed at statues and monuments, and in light of Cory Booker's proposal to remove all Confedrrate statues from the Capitol, it is time to remove all statues of anyone who ever acted discriminatorily or hatefully or dishonestly or greedily.
Talk about a jobs program....
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Post by Deleted on Aug 17, 2017 5:36:54 GMT -5
Rabbi who helped Ivanka convert shreds Trump over his Charlottesville response hill.cm/1NHrWU5
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Post by aristides on Aug 17, 2017 6:20:15 GMT -5
In the wake of Charlottesville and other protests aimed at statues and monuments, and in light of Cory Booker's proposal to remove all Confedrrate statues from the Capitol, it is time to remove all statues of anyone who ever acted discriminatorily or hatefully or dishonestly or greedily. Talk about a jobs program.... You're essentially arguing Trump's slippery slope,"Now it's Lee, next it will be Washington or Jefferson". It seems like a good topic for debate. My problem with it is that argument was offered by Trump as an excuse or a defense for the behavior of the white nationalists or "alt-right". They're two separate things. The events in Charlottesville weren't about a peaceful debate over a potential slippery slope with the removal of statues. A large group of white men carrying torches in the night was purposefully designed to evoke a particular image in the African-American community. Chanting Nazi slogans such as "blood and soil", carrying Nazi and Confederate flags; this was about intimidating minorities, preaching white supremacy, and espousing hatred of the "other" in general. The slippery slope does not justify the white supremacist march in Charlottesville. There is no equivalence between the white supremacists and the counter-protestors. Trump completely blew that distinction.
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Post by CTHoya08 on Aug 17, 2017 6:40:51 GMT -5
In the wake of Charlottesville and other protests aimed at statues and monuments, and in light of Cory Booker's proposal to remove all Confedrrate statues from the Capitol, it is time to remove all statues of anyone who ever acted discriminatorily or hatefully or dishonestly or greedily. Talk about a jobs program.... I know I shouldn't take the bait, but . . . There's a difference between having statues of, one the one hand, people who did act "discriminatorily or hatefully or dishonestly or greedily" but also contributed greatly to our republic (e.g., Washington, Jefferson), and on the other hand, people who are being celebrated because they acted that way. And even if the main cause of the Civil War wasn't slavery (it was) and even if, say, Lee wasn't pro-slavery (he was), there is still something sickening about the idea that we have on display in our national Capitol statues of men who led a tremendously bloody insurrection against our republic, killing more Americans than any foreign power. Although I find it disappointing, I can understand why some people might want to honor these traitors in their respective statehouses. But I a cannot think of any justification for displaying these statues in the Capitol. (And yes, I know that the states get to choose which people to commemorate. It still doesn't sit right with me.)
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Post by Elvado on Aug 17, 2017 6:51:13 GMT -5
I agree with you 100%. There is no excuse for hatred and bigotry as was displayed in that march. And as only he can, Trump made it worse with his idiocy.
That said, it is well settled that you should never erect statues to the living (see Paterno, J); we have reached the place where no one should have a statue period because someone, somewhere will have a gripe against it. As for the Capitol, I assume Mr. Booker wants the statue of that well-known Klansman Robert Byrd out of there ASAP.
Same thing with putting people on money. Andrew Jackson has been a cause Celebre; why is no one up in arms over FDR who actually put Americans in camps?
Oh well, enough of my ranting.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Aug 17, 2017 7:31:42 GMT -5
Andrew Jackson has been a cause Celebre; why is no one up in arms over FDR who actually put Americans in camps? FDR had better PR. It's important to recall that wisdom and common sense are not reserved to any one party. Roger B. Taney's statue is removed in Baltimore City largely because Taney, a Democrat who freed his own slaves, wrote the Dred Scott decision, never mind the six other men which formed the majority and went largely unscathed in history. Then again, Hugo Black wrote the 6-3 opinion in Korematsu v United States and got a courthouse named after him.
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Post by SSHoya on Aug 17, 2017 7:32:16 GMT -5
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