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Post by jld54 on Aug 10, 2017 12:08:51 GMT -5
I agree that it is "fair to wonder", but for others to claim a lack of transparency, etc. is ludicrous. Lets respect Tre's privacy and wish him the best and hope he enjoys his senior year and getting a degree from a great school!
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Post by DFW HOYA on Aug 10, 2017 12:11:15 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure the school has no choice but to honor the scholarship, it's against ncaa rules to rescind a scholarship this late in the year.. The award of a scholarship is the school's business, not the NCAA. There's no bylaws rule I could find which speaks to this concern. Similarly, the National Letter of Intent program is administered outside the NCAA even though people think it's an NCAA requirement. No one is obligated to sign a LOI and if the top kids were smart, they would purposely not sign it.
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Post by TC on Aug 10, 2017 12:25:24 GMT -5
Not all that hard to imagine a medical diagnosis could change things rather quickly. So you boot a kid that's been with the team for three years off because he's not able to play his Senior year?
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Post by SSHoya on Aug 10, 2017 12:26:41 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure the school has no choice but to honor the scholarship, it's against ncaa rules to rescind a scholarship this late in the year.. The award of a scholarship is the school's business, not the NCAA. There's no bylaws rule I could find which speaks to this concern. Similarly, the National Letter of Intent program is administered outside the NCAA even though people think it's an NCAA requirement. No one is obligated to sign a LOI and if the top kids were smart, they would purposely not sign it. Since 2012: The NCAA [passed] a rule giving schools the option to provide multiyear scholarships. The idea is catching on at some schools, but it’s virtually non-existent at others. Meanwhile, there’s an active lawsuit nearing the class certification stage that in part seeks damages for Division I football players who were impacted by the NCAA rule banning multiyear scholarships from 1973 to 2012. www.cbssports.com/college-football/news/schools-can-give-out-4-year-athletic-scholarships-but-many-dont/www.nationalletter.org/documentLibrary/athleticScholarship.html
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Aug 10, 2017 12:41:17 GMT -5
Damn, another one bites the dust. I wish Tre well in his future endeavors.
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Post by EtomicB on Aug 10, 2017 12:52:49 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure the school has no choice but to honor the scholarship, it's against ncaa rules to rescind a scholarship this late in the year.. The award of a scholarship is the school's business, not the NCAA. There's no bylaws rule I could find which speaks to this concern. Similarly, the National Letter of Intent program is administered outside the NCAA even though people think it's an NCAA requirement. No one is obligated to sign a LOI and if the top kids were smart, they would purposely not sign it. It states in this article that per ncaa rules a school must notify a student in writing before July 1st if they're not renewing the scholarship.. www.bgdailynews.com/sports/wku/hilltopper-guard-parris-won-t-return-for-sophomore-season/article_6b033195-814e-5ced-80d1-45a28f3d878a.html
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Post by EtomicB on Aug 10, 2017 13:01:25 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure the school has no choice but to honor the scholarship, it's against ncaa rules to rescind a scholarship this late in the year.. If we're looking at it objectively it is strange.. We all knew about the knee injury so why try to keep it secret? If Tre left the team to rehab just say that.. Tre was with the team @ Yoga, the African American museum and the scavenger hunt(last week).. A poster in this thread posted that he talked to Tre @ Kenner, says Tre told him he hoped to be ready for the start of the season.. I think it's fair to wonder what changed so quickly? Not all that hard to imagine a medical diagnosis could change things rather quickly. For a knee injury? Which still begs the question of why does he have to be released from the team because of it?
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Post by sleepy on Aug 10, 2017 13:04:59 GMT -5
Not all that hard to imagine a medical diagnosis could change things rather quickly. So you boot a kid that's been with the team for three years off because he's not able to play his Senior year? Not that this is what I think actually happened but for arguements sake if it is...so what? This is a major D1 program, not a charity. If for some reason he was unable to play basketball ever again there is no need to be on the team. We are honoring the scholarship and that's really all we would need to be decent. Sure, III and his father would probably never do anything like but we wanted to get away from the Thompson way, right? Only at Georgetown would dismissing a kid from the team lead to speculation that the coach/program/school is out to get the kid despite removing the kid having no obvious benefit to the coach/program/school and despite the program ever having done wrong by a student athlete before.
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Post by BigmanU on Aug 10, 2017 13:22:23 GMT -5
Nothing to see here. Quite frankly, Ewing has the right to run the program how he likes.
Ewing nor the school didn't do any wrong in this instance. His Senior year is paid for and he has another year of eligibility if he decides to play elsewhere. Best of luck to the young man.
What exactly is the wrong that was done?
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Post by TC on Aug 10, 2017 13:25:18 GMT -5
So you boot a kid that's been with the team for three years off because he's not able to play his Senior year? Not that this is what I think actually happened but for arguements sake if it is...so what? OK, what do you think actually happened? As I remember it, the selling point for Patrick was "Georgetown Basketball is a family", not "let's be a bunch of mercenary cutthroat jerks who treat student athletes like discardable husks, not human beings". There's absolutely 0 downside to keeping an injured Senior on the team. It doesn't cost you anything. You don't get an extra scholarship out of it. I don't know whether this is what happened, but I cannot believe people are defending possibly tossing a kid because he got hurt on your own team bus.
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Post by 95hoya on Aug 10, 2017 13:33:08 GMT -5
Who was that poster who said he would be a star and play in the NBA?
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Post by professorhoya on Aug 10, 2017 13:42:18 GMT -5
Not that this is what I think actually happened but for arguements sake if it is...so what? OK, what do you think actually happened? As I remember it, the selling point for Patrick was "Georgetown Basketball is a family", not "let's be a bunch of mercenary cutthroat jerks who treat student athletes like discardable husks, not human beings". There's absolutely 0 downside to keeping an injured Senior on the team. It doesn't cost you anything. You don't get an extra scholarship out of it. I don't know whether this is what happened, but I cannot believe people are defending possibly tossing a kid because he got hurt on your own team bus. Actually there is possible downside if the athlete had a drug problem, or was a bad influence or was lockerroom cancer or was just a bad fit with other players. (Not saying that happened here). So it would be innacurate to say there is zero downside.
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Post by BigmanU on Aug 10, 2017 13:46:40 GMT -5
Not that this is what I think actually happened but for arguements sake if it is...so what? OK, what do you think actually happened? As I remember it, the selling point for Patrick was "Georgetown Basketball is a family", not "let's be a bunch of mercenary cutthroat jerks who treat student athletes like discardable husks, not human beings". There's absolutely 0 downside to keeping an injured Senior on the team. It doesn't cost you anything. You don't get an extra scholarship out of it. I don't know whether this is what happened, but I cannot believe people are defending possibly tossing a kid because he got hurt on your own team bus. Are you playing devil's advocate for the sake of playing devil's advocate? Or do you think Pat has ill intent?
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Post by sleepy on Aug 10, 2017 13:58:05 GMT -5
Not that this is what I think actually happened but for arguements sake if it is...so what? OK, what do you think actually happened? As I remember it, the selling point for Patrick was "Georgetown Basketball is a family", not "let's be a bunch of mercenary cutthroat jerks who treat student athletes like discardable husks, not human beings". There's absolutely 0 downside to keeping an injured Senior on the team. It doesn't cost you anything. You don't get an extra scholarship out of it. I don't know whether this is what happened, but I cannot believe people are defending possibly tossing a kid because he got hurt on your own team bus. To your first question, I don't think it had to do with an injury as I believe there is a different process for medical waivers. As to your second point, keeping a kid on scholarship after removing them from the team isn't treating student athletes like discardable husks. He'd still be getting a world class education for free. To your third point, you've already said Patrick is all about Georgetown family and there is no benefit or down to keeping an injured senior on the team, so what would ever make you think they are being cut throat and treating players the husks? And no, 'they didn't provide the details so I'm going to assume the program is acting with a malice towards student athletes that unprecedented from to program and school' is not an acceptable answer. Clearly something changed drastically in the course of a week as as recently as last week the plan was to have Campbell on the team. I do not know what changed but I'm pretty confident it's none of my business either.
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Post by HometownHoya on Aug 10, 2017 14:13:38 GMT -5
Maybe he has PTSD from last years bus accident and can't travel with the team anymore.
Seriously guys, lets wish him well and hope we still see him at games supporting his classmates.
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Aug 10, 2017 14:14:05 GMT -5
Some people think everything is their business...we will not and should not know the full story here. We should wish Tre the best and move on.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Aug 10, 2017 16:14:12 GMT -5
IMO making any negative assumptions about this program and how it manages it's roster is ridiculous when the program has never displayed those characteristics. Shady program/coaches like Stansbury at WKU and many other programs throughout the country would have cut Tre, and pulled his scholarship and tried to use it to get in on surprisingly available prospects like a Mitchell Robinson.
I'm going to paint a scenario that I have seen happen in the past at other programs that could explain Tre Campbell's situation And is a WIN WIN for Tre, Ewing and the program. Mind you, much like this entire thread this is all speculation on my part as I have no personal insight on what discussions actually occurred between Ewing and Campbell.
What if Tre's injury will keeps him out until January at the earliest. Being that it's his last year of eligibility, Tre doesn't want to loose out on at least half of his last year so he goes to Ewing and asked about being redshirted. Ewing respectfully declines as he has plans for that scholarship which is his right. So together they come to this amicable decision that allows Tre to preserve his final year of eligibility and be an immediately eligible transfer after he graduates. If Tre got his full release now, the opportunity to transfer would be minimal at best. He's not healthy and expecting him to find a school to give him 2 years of scholarship to play 1 is unrealistic especially in August. Also by honoring his scholarship, it allows him to graduate and then use his last season of eligibility to work on earning his masters degree under scholarship at another institution of higher learning.
For or those of you who will argue they could have kept him on the team, not play him and just apply for the medical waiver later after he graduated. To get a medical waiver you have to present medical documentation to the NCAA stating you were not physically able to compete during the season. If the medical report states he's physically able to compete in January but he doesn't play at all the rest of the season, more than likely he would loose that season of eligibility as it would be deemed as DNP's Coaches decisions. So with all that, this is possibly the only way Tre can get his full year is by being released from the team.
Also if his injury is from the bus accident, there maybe legal reasons behind this decision that we cannot be privi to.
As for the media release being criptic, it has to be to protect both parties. There is no mention of a previous suspension or any other issues academically or behavioral.
So for all we know Ewing could be doing Tre a solid by releasing Tre from the team which could allow him to get completely healthy, maintain his last season of eligibility, transfer and play immediately as a 5th year free agent and earn his Masters degree. It's very disingenuous to try to describe the situation as anything else unless we get more information.
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Post by TC on Aug 10, 2017 16:36:36 GMT -5
What if Tre's injury will keeps him out until January at the earliest. Being that it's his last year of eligibility, Tre doesn't want to loose out on at least half of his last year so he goes to Ewing and asked about being redshirted. Ewing respectfully declines as he has plans for that scholarship which is his right. So together they come to this amicable decision that allows Tre to preserve his final year of eligibility and be an immediately eligible transfer after he graduates. If Tre got his full release now, the opportunity to transfer would be minimal at best. He's not healthy and expecting him to find a school to give him 2 years of scholarship to play 1 is unrealistic especially in August. Also by honoring his scholarship, it allows him to graduate and then use his last season of eligibility to work on earning his masters degree. Here's the problem with that - the release says that it was a one-sided decision : "Tre Campbell has been released from the program", not "Tre Campbell has been granted his release". There's nothing here that suggests this was amicable, and the release pretty much suggests it wasn't.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Aug 10, 2017 17:42:48 GMT -5
What if Tre's injury will keeps him out until January at the earliest. Being that it's his last year of eligibility, Tre doesn't want to loose out on at least half of his last year so he goes to Ewing and asked about being redshirted. Ewing respectfully declines as he has plans for that scholarship which is his right. So together they come to this amicable decision that allows Tre to preserve his final year of eligibility and be an immediately eligible transfer after he graduates. If Tre got his full release now, the opportunity to transfer would be minimal at best. He's not healthy and expecting him to find a school to give him 2 years of scholarship to play 1 is unrealistic especially in August. Also by honoring his scholarship, it allows him to graduate and then use his last season of eligibility to work on earning his masters degree. Here's the problem with that - the release says that it was a one-sided decision : "Tre Campbell has been released from the program", not "Tre Campbell has been granted his release". There's nothing here that suggests this was amicable, and the release pretty much suggests it wasn't. So you are all riled up based on the specific words used in the media release? From a program that has mastered the criptic non informative media release over the last 30 years. You must be new around here, let me be the first to welcome you to Georgetown basketball (sarcasm). You need state your true frustrations in that the media release wasn't as informative as you would have liked to be instead of accusing the new head coach and the program of questionably ill moral behavior without any facts but a press release, from a program who has a history of un-informative to vague at best press releases, and doesnt really give a **** about the optics of the releases unless there's some kind of legal ramifications involved and protection of players rights. The most informative release this program has given in a long time was the initial report by the school and athletic program regarding Tyler Adams's medical condition and then the announcement he would play in his last game. Even those releases (for legal reasons I presume) were not completely transparent. My take was that the SID put out this release without any concern of how it read. From reading it, the only clear information that they wanted to provide is that Tre Campbell is still on scholarship. I don't think they really cared about the semantics of "has been released" vs "was granted his release".
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Post by EtomicB on Aug 10, 2017 18:01:16 GMT -5
IMO making any negative assumptions about this program and how it manages it's roster is ridiculous when the program has never displayed those characteristics. Shady program/coaches like Stansbury at WKU and many other programs throughout the country would have cut Tre, and pulled his scholarship and tried to use it to get in on surprisingly available prospects like a Mitchell Robinson. I'm going to paint a scenario that I have seen happen in the past at other programs that could explain Tre Campbell's situation And is a WIN WIN for Tre, Ewing and the program. Mind you, much like this entire thread this is all speculation on my part as I have no personal insight on what discussions actually occurred between Ewing and Campbell. What if Tre's injury will keeps him out until January at the earliest. Being that it's his last year of eligibility, Tre doesn't want to loose out on at least half of his last year so he goes to Ewing and asked about being redshirted. Ewing respectfully declines as he has plans for that scholarship which is his right. So together they come to this amicable decision that allows Tre to preserve his final year of eligibility and be an immediately eligible transfer after he graduates. If Tre got his full release now, the opportunity to transfer would be minimal at best. He's not healthy and expecting him to find a school to give him 2 years of scholarship to play 1 is unrealistic especially in August. Also by honoring his scholarship, it allows him to graduate and then use his last season of eligibility to work on earning his masters degree under scholarship at another institution of higher learning. For or those of you who will argue they could have kept him on the team, not play him and just apply for the medical waiver later after he graduated. To get a medical waiver you have to present medical documentation to the NCAA stating you were not physically able to compete during the season. If the medical report states he's physically able to compete in January but he doesn't play at all the rest of the season, more than likely he would loose that season of eligibility as it would be deemed as DNP's Coaches decisions. So with all that, this is possibly the only way Tre can get his full year is by being released from the team. Also if his injury is from the bus accident, there maybe legal reasons behind this decision that we cannot be privi to. As for the media release being criptic, it has to be to protect both parties. There is no mention of a previous suspension or any other issues academically or behavioral. So for all we know Ewing could be doing Tre a solid by releasing Tre from the team which could allow him to get completely healthy, maintain his last season of eligibility, transfer and play immediately as a 5th year free agent and earn his Masters degree. It's very disingenuous to try to describe the situation as anything else unless we get more information. Why not just say "due to a previous injury Tre Campbell will not play basketball this coming season"? If they really want to be nice they could throw in "We'll give him all the support he needs while rehabbing this injury" Bottom line is he doesn't have to be "released" from the team in order to preserve his last year of eligibility..
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