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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Aug 10, 2017 18:32:16 GMT -5
What if Tre's injury will keeps him out until January at the earliest. Being that it's his last year of eligibility, Tre doesn't want to loose out on at least half of his last year so he goes to Ewing and asked about being redshirted. Ewing respectfully declines as he has plans for that scholarship which is his right. So together they come to this amicable decision that allows Tre to preserve his final year of eligibility and be an immediately eligible transfer after he graduates. If Tre got his full release now, the opportunity to transfer would be minimal at best. He's not healthy and expecting him to find a school to give him 2 years of scholarship to play 1 is unrealistic especially in August. Also by honoring his scholarship, it allows him to graduate and then use his last season of eligibility to work on earning his masters degree. Here's the problem with that - the release says that it was a one-sided decision : "Tre Campbell has been released from the program", not "Tre Campbell has been granted his release". There's nothing here that suggests this was amicable, and the release pretty much suggests it wasn't. It also says: "Ewing said in a statement without elaborating on Campbell’s reasons for the decision." Campbell's reasons for the decision not the schoool's reasons or Ewing's reasons.
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Post by professorhoya on Aug 10, 2017 18:44:02 GMT -5
Here's the problem with that - the release says that it was a one-sided decision : "Tre Campbell has been released from the program", not "Tre Campbell has been granted his release". There's nothing here that suggests this was amicable, and the release pretty much suggests it wasn't. It also says: "Ewing said in a statement without elaborating on Campbell’s reasons for the decision." Campbell's reasons for the decision not the schoool's reasons or Ewing's reasons. Yeah. That came from the Washington Post.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Aug 10, 2017 19:28:00 GMT -5
IMO making any negative assumptions about this program and how it manages it's roster is ridiculous when the program has never displayed those characteristics. Shady program/coaches like Stansbury at WKU and many other programs throughout the country would have cut Tre, and pulled his scholarship and tried to use it to get in on surprisingly available prospects like a Mitchell Robinson. I'm going to paint a scenario that I have seen happen in the past at other programs that could explain Tre Campbell's situation And is a WIN WIN for Tre, Ewing and the program. Mind you, much like this entire thread this is all speculation on my part as I have no personal insight on what discussions actually occurred between Ewing and Campbell. What if Tre's injury will keeps him out until January at the earliest. Being that it's his last year of eligibility, Tre doesn't want to loose out on at least half of his last year so he goes to Ewing and asked about being redshirted. Ewing respectfully declines as he has plans for that scholarship which is his right. So together they come to this amicable decision that allows Tre to preserve his final year of eligibility and be an immediately eligible transfer after he graduates. If Tre got his full release now, the opportunity to transfer would be minimal at best. He's not healthy and expecting him to find a school to give him 2 years of scholarship to play 1 is unrealistic especially in August. Also by honoring his scholarship, it allows him to graduate and then use his last season of eligibility to work on earning his masters degree under scholarship at another institution of higher learning. For or those of you who will argue they could have kept him on the team, not play him and just apply for the medical waiver later after he graduated. To get a medical waiver you have to present medical documentation to the NCAA stating you were not physically able to compete during the season. If the medical report states he's physically able to compete in January but he doesn't play at all the rest of the season, more than likely he would loose that season of eligibility as it would be deemed as DNP's Coaches decisions. So with all that, this is possibly the only way Tre can get his full year is by being released from the team. Also if his injury is from the bus accident, there maybe legal reasons behind this decision that we cannot be privi to. As for the media release being criptic, it has to be to protect both parties. There is no mention of a previous suspension or any other issues academically or behavioral. So for all we know Ewing could be doing Tre a solid by releasing Tre from the team which could allow him to get completely healthy, maintain his last season of eligibility, transfer and play immediately as a 5th year free agent and earn his Masters degree. It's very disingenuous to try to describe the situation as anything else unless we get more information. Why not just say "due to a previous injury Tre Campbell will not play basketball this coming season"? If they really want to be nice they could throw in "We'll give him all the support he needs while rehabbing this injury" Bottom line is he doesn't have to be "released" from the team in order to preserve his last year of eligibility.. I'm pretty sure a lawyer or Doctor will tell you why they can't publish a release stating or discussing the health of an athlete or severity of injury. There has been no mention officially regarding the severity of his injury or even the fact that Tre had surgery. Also as I stated in my previous post, if he's going to be physically cleared in January, then he won't be out for the season due to injury. Based on the scenario I described in my previous post, how else could he maintain his last season of eligibility? If Tre wants to get a full season, and Ewing can't make that promise to him that once he's healthy he won't be played, I don't know how else Tre can definitely maintain a year of eligibility?
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Post by HoyaSinceBirth on Aug 10, 2017 20:05:39 GMT -5
It also says: "Ewing said in a statement without elaborating on Campbell’s reasons for the decision." Campbell's reasons for the decision not the schoool's reasons or Ewing's reasons. Yeah. That came from the Washington Post. Yeah I know, but don't you think the person who wrote the story who presumably talked to someone at Georgetown might have a bit more of an inkling into what went down than the bums on this site. From what I understand this was a mutual decision.
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Post by EtomicB on Aug 10, 2017 20:47:52 GMT -5
Why not just say "due to a previous injury Tre Campbell will not play basketball this coming season"? If they really want to be nice they could throw in "We'll give him all the support he needs while rehabbing this injury" Bottom line is he doesn't have to be "released" from the team in order to preserve his last year of eligibility.. I'm pretty sure a lawyer or Doctor will tell you why they can't publish a release stating or discussing the health of an athlete or severity of injury. There has been no mention officially regarding the severity of his injury or even the fact that Tre had surgery. Also as I stated in my previous post, if he's going to be physically cleared in January, then he won't be out for the season due to injury. Based on the scenario I described in my previous post, how else could he maintain his last season of eligibility? If Tre wants to get a full season, and Ewing can't make that promise to him that once he's healthy he won't be played, I don't know how else Tre can definitely maintain a year of eligibility? Programs talk about injuries all the time.. We knew about Freeman's Illness, Wright's injuries, Whitt ect.. Sure PE can, that's how red shirts are given out every year by programs.. They just decide a player isn't gonna play during the year..
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Aug 10, 2017 21:08:39 GMT -5
There is so much baseless speculation on this thread it boggles the mind. None of us know a thing about the reasons here.
So the thread should be good for 25 pages by the end of the weekend.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Aug 10, 2017 22:09:57 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure a lawyer or Doctor will tell you why they can't publish a release stating or discussing the health of an athlete or severity of injury. There has been no mention officially regarding the severity of his injury or even the fact that Tre had surgery. Also as I stated in my previous post, if he's going to be physically cleared in January, then he won't be out for the season due to injury. Based on the scenario I described in my previous post, how else could he maintain his last season of eligibility? If Tre wants to get a full season, and Ewing can't make that promise to him that once he's healthy he won't be played, I don't know how else Tre can definitely maintain a year of eligibility? Programs talk about injuries all the time.. We knew about Freeman's Illness, Wright's injuries, Whitt ect.. Sure PE can, that's how red shirts are given out every year by programs.. They just decide a player isn't gonna play during the year.. Yes with the players permission to disclose. If this is the same injury that occurred on the bus, what if Tre's family has pending litigation against the bus company or whoever is responsible for the accident. What if Tre doesn't want the information released for whatever his reasons are. Your missing 2 significant points regarding Tre being redshirted. No coach can predict the future. When people were on here at this exact same time last year spewing nonsense that Paul White transferring was no big deal and he was only going to play 5 minutes a game, no one could predict that Copeland was going to transfer. I posted how ridiculous that was because no coach can predict how a season is going to turnout. Lets say Ewing decided to redshirt Tre and January comes and he's cleared to resume full basketball activities and unfortunately (God forbid) the team has taken on a rash of injuries/transfers and is down to 7-8 scholarship players and is particularly thin in the backcourt. Does PE honor his commitment to Tre and continue to redshirt him or do what's best for the program? Does Tre feel pressure to give up his redshirt season and play to help the program? Tre being released from the team eliminates any possible circumstances where he could loose his last year of eligibility. Now the injury/transfer situation is speculative on my part but we saw what happened with the team last season, we saw UCONN get decimated with injuries, and the theory fits in quite nicely with this entire speculative thread. The 2nd and most significant point you fail to realize is that now Tre has been released, he's allowed to communicate directly with other coaches at other programs about being a 5th year transfer. He can take visits, send them medical information if they ask. He has the freedom to make decisions on where he wants to play and get his masters at if he chooses to do so much sooner than most if not all the 5th year transfers that will be on the market. Now unless some factual information that states the nature of Tre Campbell's release I'm done with this subject/thread. The only reason I pointed out any of these possibilities regarding Tre's release because it wasn't fair to Ewing, the staff and the program for people to post on here baseless attacks on the coaches and program's moral credibility.
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Aug 10, 2017 22:35:06 GMT -5
There is so much baseless speculation on this thread it boggles the mind. None of us know a thing about the reasons here. So the thread should be good for 25 pages by the end of the weekend. Frazier, a player on scholarship who was probably not going to play this year is now a player on scholarship who definitely will not play this year. We must diagram every sentence of the press release until we get to the bottom of this minor development.
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Post by bicentennial on Aug 10, 2017 23:17:05 GMT -5
As a doctor with a law degree, I believe the discussion about what is implied or not in the press release is probably between members of SFS not CAS. There are many reasons for not mentioning a player's health or for not disclosing much about a player being released from the team. I believe the only member of the board who could clarify any of this would be Lichoya! I feel any other posts about what the release implies are really just efforts at producing blunt force injury to a deceased equine.
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Post by tashoya on Aug 10, 2017 23:20:56 GMT -5
Tre isn't going to be on the team but he's staying at Georgetown. Sounds like it's fairly likely that it was not a unilateral decision by the University or, at a minimum, while it may suck for Tre on the team front, it may be better for his long term aspirations to not be a member of the team for his senior year. Maybe if he physically couldn't go for the whole year, he didn't want the huge time commitment of being with the team and the possible loss of eligibility if he wants to play another year elsewhere. Sounds completely reasonable. But, as others have said, it's fairly pointless to continue commenting because we don't know much of anything. I hope Tre is healthy and happy and enjoys his last year on the Hilltop. It goes by in a blink. And, for a guy that's been a scholarship ballplayer for the past three years, I'm hoping he finds the time to cram in some of the normal college life that he missed now that he's just another student. He's gotta be shocked by all of his newly acquired free time, no?
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Aug 11, 2017 6:11:42 GMT -5
I believe the only member of the board who could clarify any of this would be Lichoya! Surely a statement never before seen on Hoyatalk.😁
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Post by CTHoya08 on Aug 11, 2017 6:47:13 GMT -5
Here's the problem with that - the release says that it was a one-sided decision : "Tre Campbell has been released from the program", not "Tre Campbell has been granted his release". There's nothing here that suggests this was amicable, and the release pretty much suggests it wasn't. So you are all riled up based on the specific words used in the media release? From a program that has mastered the criptic non informative media release over the last 30 years. You must be new around here, let me be the first to welcome you to Georgetown basketball (sarcasm). You need state your true frustrations in that the media release wasn't as informative as you would have liked to be instead of accusing the new head coach and the program of questionably ill moral behavior without any facts but a press release, from a program who has a history of un-informative to vague at best press releases, and doesnt really give a **** about the optics of the releases unless there's some kind of legal ramifications involved and protection of players rights. The most informative release this program has given in a long time was the initial report by the school and athletic program regarding Tyler Adams's medical condition and then the announcement he would play in his last game. Even those releases (for legal reasons I presume) were not completely transparent. My take was that the SID put out this release without any concern of how it read. From reading it, the only clear information that they wanted to provide is that Tre Campbell is still on scholarship. I don't think they really cared about the semantics of "has been released" vs "was granted his release". If the Sports Information Director is putting out press releases "without any concern of how [they] read," he's not doing his job.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Aug 11, 2017 7:18:14 GMT -5
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Post by TC on Aug 11, 2017 7:40:06 GMT -5
As a doctor with a law degree, I believe the discussion about what is implied or not in the press release is probably between members of SFS not CAS. There are many reasons for not mentioning a player's health or for not disclosing much about a player being released from the team. I believe the only member of the board who could clarify any of this would be Lichoya! I feel any other posts about what the release implies are really just efforts at producing blunt force injury to a deceased equine. A couple of clarifications on the straw man you are beating up on : - no one has asked for any details about a player's health or personal status in this thread. The program should be able to explain their decisions - and while I realize that comes into conflict with the privacy of students at times, they can at least explain what happened in standard, general terms that other college programs use and they fail to do that. If you read Ewing's quote, you have no idea whether Campbell was released due to injury, due to violation of team rules, through fault of his or due to an injury he sustained on a team bus. Isn't that kind of unfair to the kid if he's done nothing wrong? You have no idea whether we cut a kid who had been with the team for three years and got hurt through *a team bus accident* just because he's not useful anymore. It takes one short, terse extra sentence to clear up those questions. People read what we put out and ask : - DFW noted this already, but there was no press release, which is part of the problem - there's a couple of tweets from a WaPo writer turned into a five sentence article. - People arguing about this with me even argue that was put out there sucked. - Assuming that the people arguing about this are all SFS is the kind of unfair, malicious, baseless speculation that you're decrying in your post. I mean, come on, that's just low. I can disagree with people here without thinking the worst about them.
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Post by seaweed on Aug 11, 2017 8:21:09 GMT -5
I believe the only member of the board who could clarify any of this would be Lichoya! Surely a statement never before seen on Hoyatalk.😁 Lic and clarity is an uncommon association
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Post by iowa80 on Aug 11, 2017 9:13:39 GMT -5
(Time Out) It's amusing to see people taking a few shots at SFS here. Apparently the pecking order has changed since my day. Well, a lot has . .
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Post by Deleted on Aug 11, 2017 13:14:42 GMT -5
It also says: "Ewing said in a statement without elaborating on Campbell’s reasons for the decision." Campbell's reasons for the decision not the schoool's reasons or Ewing's reasons. Yeah. That came from the Washington Post. Don't you mean The AmazonWashingtonPost? #FAKENEWS
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Post by centercourt400s on Aug 11, 2017 15:44:41 GMT -5
Yeah. That came from the Washington Post. Don't you mean The AmazonWashingtonPost? #FAKENEWS Please take this utterly lame political bs somewhere else
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Post by Deleted on Aug 13, 2017 9:01:43 GMT -5
Don't you mean The AmazonWashingtonPost? #FAKENEWS Please take this utterly lame political bs somewhere else Haha. Okay. Sorry to try to bring some levity to a thread that keeps chasing its tail. Carry on speculating about Tre Campbell.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Feb 14, 2018 15:45:25 GMT -5
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