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Post by sleepy on Aug 9, 2017 16:41:53 GMT -5
How can keeping a guy who won't be on the team on scholarship even be construed as doing something crappy to him? Why are we releasing him from the team in August? I get not playing him if he's not in Ewing's plans. Why release him from the team, even if he's injured though? I don't know and don't care to speculate without more information. If we weren't honoring the scholarship I could see how it would be doing something crappy to him but that's not the case. I mean it's D1 basketball, if this was a basketball decision I don't see the moral conflict here. Not playing him would likely be worse than this anyways. Now he has the opportunity to play somewhere else for a full season if he wants, assuming this isn't a medical reason which it very well could be. It's just silly to this this is doing something crappy to him as a lot of schools wouldn't honor that scholarship and just say goodbye.
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Post by seaweed on Aug 9, 2017 17:12:31 GMT -5
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Post by swhoya on Aug 9, 2017 18:08:40 GMT -5
Since we're not bothering to explain what we're doing, or even give any hints as to what the situation is, I'm just going to assume the program is doing something crappy to the guy. Why should I assume otherwise? Here's how you explain someone not being able to play again due to injury the right way : www.guhoyas.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/121011aaa.htmlOr maybe we are releasing him and out of respect for him (maybe he did something bad?) we aren't saying why. Or maybe he has asked that the reason not be realeased. Or...maybe you just don't have a clue and just want to assume the worst about the program? Why do you support the Hoyas if this is what you assume about the team/program without any basis?
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Post by mapei on Aug 9, 2017 18:30:34 GMT -5
Whatever the reason, and whether it's one that those of us who care about Tre would support, it's yet another sad development for this basketball program. There are some positives - Pickett and Walker, Jagan's and Kaleb's play in Kenner - but it's getting hard to absorb all the bad news. We need another positive - a recruiting win for 2018, for instance.
I do wish Tre the best and hope he takes advantage of the opportunity to graduate from Georgetown University. He seems like a nice kid.
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Post by TC on Aug 9, 2017 18:35:48 GMT -5
Or maybe we are releasing him and out of respect for him (maybe he did something bad?) we aren't saying why. It's certainly possible. And usually (99% of the time) we find out about that. Normally when that happens, a team will say X has been released for a violation of team rules. If that happens to be the case, I'm totally wrong. But in that case, where someone's being booted from school, the statement never goes out of the way to say they will still be on scholarship. I'm pretty up front that I don't have a clue, and I don't have a clue because the program doesn't give us a clue. Patrick Ewing was supposed to be some huge breath of fresh air that would run this program in a media-friendly way, but so far (lack of announcement about assistant coaches, lack of anything about PK80 other than a press statement that didn't mention Nike whatsoever, lack of schedule, this statement about Campbell) he's running the program back into the PR iron curtain of JT2. I'm sure there will be no shortage of apologists out there who say we don't have a right to any information, and who cares if we win - but we're not going to win for the first couple of years. JT3 was far more transparent than this.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 9, 2017 19:46:01 GMT -5
The language is just weird. I can't remember reading about a college kid "getting released" by a program.
Kicked off...requested his release...dismissed...left the program...transferred...violated team rules...we've heard all of these before. This one just sounds odd.
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Post by sleepy on Aug 9, 2017 20:05:27 GMT -5
Or maybe we are releasing him and out of respect for him (maybe he did something bad?) we aren't saying why. It's certainly possible. And usually (99% of the time) we find out about that. Normally when that happens, a team will say X has been released for a violation of team rules. If that happens to be the case, I'm totally wrong. But in that case, where someone's being booted from school, the statement never goes out of the way to say they will still be on scholarship. I'm pretty up front that I don't have a clue, and I don't have a clue because the program doesn't give us a clue. Patrick Ewing was supposed to be some huge breath of fresh air that would run this program in a media-friendly way, but so far (lack of announcement about assistant coaches, lack of anything about PK80 other than a press statement that didn't mention Nike whatsoever, lack of schedule, this statement about Campbell) he's running the program back into the PR iron curtain of JT2. I'm sure there will be no shortage of apologists out there who say we don't have a right to any information, and who cares if we win - but we're not going to win for the first couple of years. JT3 was far more transparent than this. You have been pretty upfront that you don't have a clue but also if this was something to do with Campbell doing something wrong 99% of the time that's noted so it's probably not that and also I'm just going to assume we did something shady to one of our players even though we are still holding up our end of the bargain by providing a free education. While I'll never say lack of transparency has been one of my issues with the program, your list of grievances is manufactured bs. The OOC schedule? When is that ever released before September? Did we not get a press release for each added assistance coach which is the industry norm? We're we expecting a press conference for each one? They announced both the leave from the tournament and the dismissal of Campbell. It would be a little unusual to include strategic reasoning behind either decision in a press release. If people want to carry over their issues with III and project them into Ewing, fine. But at least be honest about not giving him a fair shot.
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Post by tashoya on Aug 9, 2017 21:20:31 GMT -5
Without knowing anything, I'm not going to assume the worst. I'm sure I'd like to know what happened as much as the average poster but Tre has a right to his privacy. Hopefully, it's the best course of action for all parties involved. I hope that Tre is well and that he remains a Hoya and gets his degree. I don't know the man at all but he seems like a solid, team first type person. If that assessment is even partly correct, the older I get, the more I feel like those type of people are tough to replace. Best to Tre.
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Post by hoya95 on Aug 9, 2017 22:47:22 GMT -5
The language is just weird. I can't remember reading about a college kid "getting released" by a program. Kicked off...requested his release...dismissed...left the program...transferred...violated team rules...we've heard all of these before. This one just sounds odd. Yeah, I don't know how it's possible even to have an opinion on this without knowing so much more that we'll likely never find out. But this is another strange thing with the program. We know about Tre's injuries from last year, and hopefully he's okay. Keeping him on scholarship sounds amicable and the right thing to do, but then again, Duke kicked Rasheed Sulaimon off their team a couple of years ago but honored his scholarship. So keeping him on scholarship may not mean it's amicable. Using the word "released" and then adding the corporate weasel-speak for firing someone ("We wish him well in his future endeavors") just makes it more odd. Hope for the best for Tre, but I'd love to go a long stretch without any more weird things happening around the program.
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Post by blueandgray on Aug 10, 2017 0:28:02 GMT -5
Tre is a great kid and everyone on the team loved him. Beyond that, I have no other information about why Tre is no longer on the team nor have I inquired. The circumstances surrounding the release are off though considering he suffered a season ending knee injury on a school bus.
While he will be missed, I think we have plenty of guard play to hold down the fort.
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Post by professorhoya on Aug 10, 2017 5:27:08 GMT -5
I always felt their was friction between Campbell and III. tre was the only one on those teams who would get benched for entire games or pulled from starting and the only other time that happened was that year Jessie Sapp wasn't on the same page as the team when that went down.
That entire class that Tre was in basically has transferred out so it's safe to say they probably weren't happy with the program.
Remember it was last year at this time when Reggie Cameron quit and pulled out of the Maui tournament. There was obviously some kind of problem or disruption on the team to make Reggie Cameron quit abruptly.
So it's a good time for a clean slate and starting over than Having a potential disruption. Usually when you get a new coach or regime change you want to bring in your guys and get rid of anyone who isn't on the same page as you.
So for those not buying the injury explanation there you go.
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Post by EtomicB on Aug 10, 2017 7:46:47 GMT -5
Tre is a great kid and everyone on the team loved him. Beyond that, I have no other information about why Tre is no longer on the team nor have I inquired. The circumstances surrounding the release are off though considering he suffered a season ending knee injury on a school bus. While he will be missed, I think we have plenty of guard play to hold down the fort. This makes me wonder how this is playing with the team.. Because I'm recruiting obsessed, I also wonder how this will be viewed locally and more specifically by the TTO folks..
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Post by Massholya on Aug 10, 2017 8:18:30 GMT -5
Perhaps it is an insurance issue related to how the injury happened and that playing has bearing on future claims.
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Post by TC on Aug 10, 2017 8:36:03 GMT -5
Perhaps it is an insurance issue related to how the injury happened and that playing has bearing on future claims. Players can easily sit on the bench for an entire year and not play. Whatever this is, not an insurance issue. The statement is that this was a one sided release of a player who reportedly got hurt on our team bus after we put out a statement that no one was hurt on the team bus (http://www.guhoyas.com/sports/m-baskbl/spec-rel/020717aab.html). I have no idea what's going on here, but that's not a great look.
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Post by professorhoya on Aug 10, 2017 9:36:12 GMT -5
I think at the end of the day III was too nice a guy and cared too much for these kids. But that can be viewed as soft and at the cost of success.
That Sapp senior year was a lost season because of what happened but III stuck with him. Which in the long run was great for the kid.
But when you have too many lost seasons and if you look at last season it almost seemed like a player mutiny (with Cameron quitting the team forgoing going to Hawaii, and Copeland and Paul whites transfer) in the end I think being too nice and forgiving a guy, sealed IIIs fate.
The bottom line in the short terms is fans and players want winning and success and without it no matter how nice you are they will start to lose respect for you and stop listening.
Now there is a new sheriff in town.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Aug 10, 2017 10:13:03 GMT -5
Or maybe we are releasing him and out of respect for him (maybe he did something bad?) we aren't saying why. It's certainly possible. And usually (99% of the time) we find out about that. Normally when that happens, a team will say X has been released for a violation of team rules. If that happens to be the case, I'm totally wrong. But in that case, where someone's being booted from school, the statement never goes out of the way to say they will still be on scholarship. I'm pretty up front that I don't have a clue, and I don't have a clue because the program doesn't give us a clue. Patrick Ewing was supposed to be some huge breath of fresh air that would run this program in a media-friendly way, but so far (lack of announcement about assistant coaches, lack of anything about PK80 other than a press statement that didn't mention Nike whatsoever, lack of schedule, this statement about Campbell) he's running the program back into the PR iron curtain of JT2. I'm sure there will be no shortage of apologists out there who say we don't have a right to any information, and who cares if we win - but we're not going to win for the first couple of years. JT3 was far more transparent than this. *cough* Reggie Cameron *cough*
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Aug 10, 2017 10:19:19 GMT -5
Teams reflect their coach's personality on the court. Pat is a warrior.
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Post by jld54 on Aug 10, 2017 11:13:57 GMT -5
This site has become absolutely ridiculous with the speculation about a student-athlete's personal status. He will not be a member of the program and the school will honor his scholarship. That is all we need to know and have a right to know. Such a decision involves privacy issues involving a student and likely privileged medical data given his serious knee injury.
Debates about "transparency" and assuming the worst re: anything the school, program or coach does is way out of line. One can understand the dissatisfaction with the JT3 reign, but the school acted and now we have a new era. Those who b**** and moan about everything we do or fail to do should just sign up with the MD, Duke, Nova or Cuse boards. Sad!
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Post by EtomicB on Aug 10, 2017 11:56:24 GMT -5
This site has become absolutely ridiculous with the speculation about a student-athlete's personal status. He will not be a member of the program and the school will honor his scholarship. That is all we need to know and have a right to know. Such a decision involves privacy issues involving a student and likely privileged medical data given his serious knee injury. Debates about "transparency" and assuming the worst re: anything the school, program or coach does is way out of line. One can understand the dissatisfaction with the JT3 reign, but the school acted and now we have a new era. Those who b**** and moan about everything we do or fail to do should just sign up with the MD, Duke, Nova or Cuse boards. Sad! I'm pretty sure the school has no choice but to honor the scholarship, it's against ncaa rules to rescind a scholarship this late in the year.. If we're looking at it objectively it is strange.. We all knew about the knee injury so why try to keep it secret? If Tre left the team to rehab just say that.. Tre was with the team @ Yoga, the African American museum and the scavenger hunt(last week).. A poster in this thread posted that he talked to Tre @ Kenner, says Tre told him he hoped to be ready for the start of the season.. I think it's fair to wonder what changed so quickly?
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Post by Cambridge on Aug 10, 2017 12:03:53 GMT -5
This site has become absolutely ridiculous with the speculation about a student-athlete's personal status. He will not be a member of the program and the school will honor his scholarship. That is all we need to know and have a right to know. Such a decision involves privacy issues involving a student and likely privileged medical data given his serious knee injury. Debates about "transparency" and assuming the worst re: anything the school, program or coach does is way out of line. One can understand the dissatisfaction with the JT3 reign, but the school acted and now we have a new era. Those who b**** and moan about everything we do or fail to do should just sign up with the MD, Duke, Nova or Cuse boards. Sad! I'm pretty sure the school has no choice but to honor the scholarship, it's against ncaa rules to rescind a scholarship this late in the year.. If we're looking at it objectively it is strange.. We all knew about the knee injury so why try to keep it secret? If Tre left the team to rehab just say that.. Tre was with the team @ Yoga, the African American museum and the scavenger hunt(last week).. A poster in this thread posted that he talked to Tre @ Kenner, says Tre told him he hoped to be ready for the start of the season.. I think it's fair to wonder what changed so quickly? Not all that hard to imagine a medical diagnosis could change things rather quickly.
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