H2Oya 05
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Post by H2Oya 05 on Nov 10, 2017 6:05:06 GMT -5
Yeah, good point. It is definitely an issue, especially, to state the obvious, it now dark by like 5pm. This is one of those cost-benefit questions that didn't really come up until the last couple of years... and it might've been a couple of years too late. The long-term writing is on the walls - Yates will be rebuilt on top of where Shaw Field is now, with one or more fields recreated in the current Yates footprint. The timeline is uncertain, as this will be a ghoulishly expensive proposition. Meanwhile, the north side of campus - including parts immediately adjacent to Shaw - will be tied up in heavy construction from this coming January through the end of 2022 thanks to the new MedStar surgical pavilion. The point is - who wants to pay for lights that really only come into play a couple of times per year when they'll need to be torn down in a decade anyway? And that's before we get to the ever-present possibility of neighbor objections. But yes, it sucks and is frustrating. The latest coaches poll has the Hoyas at #15 and Wake nine spots back at #24. The TopDrawerSoccer poll has the Hoyas all the way up to #8, with the Deacons down at #19. Going by these rankings, the Hoyas should have been seeded! They have been talking about rebuilding Yates for over 10 years and the field on top has been closed by (5?). I know they came out with some budget analysis of what it would cost to fix the roof, but they don’t appear to have take. Any additional steps. If the Yates rebuild/new soccer field with lights project is going to begin in the next two to three years, I get not putting in the lights now, but if it is longer, they should put up lights. Why make the investment the school has made on soccer and then miss out on the element that would also make it fab friendly? In the CTE era, I like how Georgetown is betting on soccer.
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DFW HOYA
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Post by DFW HOYA on Nov 10, 2017 6:57:03 GMT -5
They have been talking about rebuilding Yates for over 10 years and the field on top has been closed by (5?). I know they came out with some budget analysis of what it would cost to fix the roof, but they don’t appear to have take. Any additional steps. If the Yates rebuild/new soccer field with lights project is going to begin in the next two to three years, I get not putting in the lights now, but if it is longer, they should put up lights. Why make the investment the school has made on soccer and then miss out on the element that would also make it fab friendly? In the CTE era, I like how Georgetown is betting on soccer. Two points. 1. Assuming Cooper Field gets started, the prognosis for a new soccer field in the reasonable future is a dim one. Between the dirt flying for the MedStar surgical pavilion, the pressure to build a new dorm adjacent to Harbin and Regents, and the recent decision to invest in a short-term fix on Kehoe Field, a full replacement of Yates and creating a stadium infill for soccer and (we can only hope) track may be 10-15 years out, especially given fundraising priorities at the onset of a capital campaign. Russky has much better information than me on this but Georgetown's track record on construction timelines should give no one false hope. And while the soccer purists may not want to hear it, the proposed build for Cooper will accommodate a wider field to host soccer games, albeit on Field Turf. 2. I'm not sure Georgetown is "betting on soccer" inasmuch as this is one of two sports (along with basketball) where the conference mandates full scholarship participation from all its schools regardless. A school like Seton Hall (6-10 men, 0-12-5 women) would probably be more competitive as an associate member in the MAAC but they cannot federate outside the Big East in soccer.
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Post by bearsandbulls on Nov 10, 2017 8:56:50 GMT -5
Good morning all. Understand things will be quite chilly for tonight's game. I still have no info on television for the game but will keep trying and post if I find anything. Closest I come is Gametracker on our own gu.hoyas site.
Go Hoyas. Ice the Demon Deacons.
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Post by FHillsNYHoya on Nov 10, 2017 9:31:40 GMT -5
Thanks B&B - keep us posted....
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Post by bearsandbulls on Nov 10, 2017 10:39:53 GMT -5
Okay, I think I have it down for TV. Either use guhoyas.com (and go to "Schedule"), or use wakeforestsports.com to get to the Wake Forest women's soccer site. When there, you may have to register if you have not used this before but it is easy. Then it shows you can "Watch" at 7PM EST. Hope this works for everyone. Go Hoyas. On the Road to the Final Four again.
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DanMcQ
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 10, 2017 17:51:50 GMT -5
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 10, 2017 19:47:33 GMT -5
Nil-Nil at the half
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 10, 2017 20:51:19 GMT -5
Going into OT. Hoyas have been more aggressive the second half.
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Post by DanMcQ on Nov 10, 2017 21:29:12 GMT -5
Tough loss in PKs.
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Elvado
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Post by Elvado on Nov 10, 2017 21:30:00 GMT -5
Sad end for the ladies. That said, those were some awful PK strikes.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 10, 2017 21:30:29 GMT -5
Wow. Go to PK's; we make 1 out of 5! I never even saw that with 8 year olds I coached.
Tough way to end a season and careers. But if you can't do better than that, you don't deserve to move on.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Nov 10, 2017 23:04:41 GMT -5
Too bad we had to play away. Yes they had lights, but the stands were empty.
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Post by whatmaroon on Nov 10, 2017 23:11:03 GMT -5
That stinks. Such a cruel ending.
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Post by bearsandbulls on Nov 11, 2017 0:28:32 GMT -5
Wow. Go to PK's; we make 1 out of 5! I never even saw that with 8 year olds I coached. Tough way to end a season and careers. But if you can't do better than that, you don't deserve to move on. Rachel Corboz & Taylor Pak carried this team on their shoulders this year and you want to cr*p on them like your "eight year olds"? Do understand the players have played great this year. The result today was much more painful for them than you. I suggest you reconsider your remarks. Did you notice the strength of the shots to the lower left corner and how quickly the goalie was there in advance. Think about it. Some was good film work and coaching, some might have been a premature jump, but then it was not called. So maybe it wasn't. But your comments are surely not helpful. Maybe "win" is all you know. How do you measure up in life? Your comments do not indicate humanity. More selfishness, I would say.
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Post by Elvado on Nov 11, 2017 7:24:54 GMT -5
While the 8 year old comment was admittedly harsh and a bit unfair, his main point was on the money. Corboz’ shot required a tough save and the goalie probably moved early.
The other three misses were bad. Hitting the post means youbdod not make the goalie make a save and the other two were weak and mid goal.
The ladies had a great season but their PK finish was awful. When your goalie saves two as Schechtman did, you should win.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Nov 11, 2017 7:53:17 GMT -5
Wow. Go to PK's; we make 1 out of 5! I never even saw that with 8 year olds I coached. Tough way to end a season and careers. But if you can't do better than that, you don't deserve to move on. Rachel Corboz & Taylor Pak carried this team on their shoulders this year and you want to cr*p on them like your "eight year olds"? Do understand the players have played great this year. The result today was much more painful for them than you. I suggest you reconsider your remarks. Did you notice the strength of the shots to the lower left corner and how quickly the goalie was there in advance. Think about it. Some was good film work and coaching, some might have been a premature jump, but then it was not called. So maybe it wasn't. But your comments are surely not helpful. Maybe "win" is all you know. How do you measure up in life? Your comments do not indicate humanity. More selfishness, I would say. B and B - didn't mean to come off quite so harsh, I actually was stating a fact. I have seen over a hundred games decided by PK's over the decades, at all levels from World Cup to 8 year olds, and I can't recall ever seeing one for five. It was disappointing to say the least. To be honest I was not impressed by any of the misses. I thought they telegraphed their shots too much - and every goalie in the world moves a touch early on PK's, so no excuses. But I know how devastated the team must be, especially those who could not convert the penalties. I should have added more acknowledgment for their great season - regular season and BET champions are wonderful accomplishments, I know the team will be very proud when the sting of last night wears off. The seniors had wonderful careers, and the program has much to look forward to. Hoya Saxa ladies.
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Post by aleutianhoya on Nov 11, 2017 8:09:59 GMT -5
Unless the NCAA uses different rules, for a number of years now, the GK has been allowed to move side to side as early as she wants. That's the FIFA rule used at most levels.
That's led to shooters using more trickery to try to get the keeper to commit to one side before the shooter decides where to go. Things like running hard toward the ball and then hesitating.
I didn't think any of the shots were terrible. It's just that three of them committed to going left without any regard for what the keeper was doing. Any low shot anywhere to the left would have been saved, even better efforts. Four of the five shots were on frame. That's not awful.
Shootouts are complete crap shoots. Good shots get saved. Bad shots go in (if the keeper goes the wrong way). It's a ludicrous way to decide a game. Always has been. Always will be. Anything else would be better.
We probably had more chances overall (certainly more corners). But we had a similar number of really good chances, I think. We certainly didn't dominate the game by any stretch.
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Post by Elvado on Nov 11, 2017 8:18:05 GMT -5
The PK’s were not good. Hitting the post is a miss, period. The other two misses were barely off mid goal and easy saves. Only Corboz made her work for the save.
The ladies played well enough to win. In fact they hit the post in OT on a ball the keeper had no chance on.
That said, a high powered offense shot blanks last night and it caught them. Not fair, not fun but that is the game.
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Post by bearsandbulls on Nov 11, 2017 10:40:18 GMT -5
The PK’s were not good. Hitting the post is a miss, period. The other two misses were barely off mid goal and easy saves. Only Corboz made her work for the save. The ladies played well enough to win. In fact they hit the post in OT on a ball the keeper had no chance on. That said, a high powered offense shot blanks last night and it caught them. Not fair, not fun but that is the game. Elvado, you have said that twice now. "The other two misses were barely off mid goal and easy saves". I might have thought that too, but they clearly showed replays of both #10s and #15s shots and they were driven to the lower left ninety. So on that I disagree with you. But it is what it is. A good PK kicker knows in her mind where she is going in advance. The mind set needs to be firm. So now think about this. These ladies earn this in practice against the best goalie in the Big East, one of the best in America. If their tendencies win off her, and it their placements beat her who is to say it will not beat a lesser goalie. Then, it comes down to scouting, by film, by knowing your tendencies and your opponents tendencies. So, if our five shooters (apparently our best, I do not know) had tendencies that were "giveaway" then it is a coaching decision as to who shoots. Yes, it is a painful way to lose, and actually not all that gratifying to win in PKs, but thems the rules. This game should have been won in regular time, and especially in OT, but it was not. I just don't care for "easy saves" comments to players who have given their all. The girls will grow and move on. It is painful right now, but that pain need not be exacerbated by nasty fans who got "jobbed" by their performances. And yes too for Frazier, I have coached soccer for a number of years, but not at this level, so it gives me some understanding coupled with compassion.
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Post by bearsandbulls on Nov 11, 2017 10:44:26 GMT -5
Unless the NCAA uses different rules, for a number of years now, the GK has been allowed to move side to side as early as she wants. That's the FIFA rule used at most levels. That's led to shooters using more trickery to try to get the keeper to commit to one side before the shooter decides where to go. Things like running hard toward the ball and then hesitating. I didn't think any of the shots were terrible. It's just that three of them committed to going left without any regard for what the keeper was doing. Any low shot anywhere to the left would have been saved, even better efforts. Four of the five shots were on frame. That's not awful. Shootouts are complete crap shoots. Good shots get saved. Bad shots go in (if the keeper goes the wrong way). It's a ludicrous way to decide a game. Always has been. Always will be. Anything else would be better. We probably had more chances overall (certainly more corners). But we had a similar number of really good chances, I think. We certainly didn't dominate the game by any stretch.
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