calhoya
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Post by calhoya on May 22, 2021 6:52:41 GMT -5
Georgetown must be the only staff in the nation thinking they need four centers. Some get by with one. There are only two confirmed scholarships graduating in 2022 (Carey, Rice). Focus on precision in 2022 and not just offering to anyone and everyone. Georgetown already has 48 offers open. 3 centers in one class was just an unforced errors that lingers. Making things more difficult is that 2 were/are projects of varying degrees. Agree except that in reality all three were projects. Wahab developed a lot this year compared to what he was as a freshman. While his game still needs much improvement there is no comparison between the player who finished the season with the Hoyas and the one who suited up in 2019.
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Bigs"R"Us
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on May 22, 2021 7:16:42 GMT -5
Agree that we took three project centers in one class. All came in with little ability to shoot or dribble a basketball. Not a fan of projects in general. I think we ended up with a third because Q was the best and we picked him up last.
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dchoya72
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Post by dchoya72 on May 22, 2021 7:45:35 GMT -5
Agree that we took three project centers in one class. All came in with little ability to shoot or dribble a basketball. Not a fan of projects in general. I think we ended up with a third because Q was the best and we picked him up last. In my opinion Yurtseven never lived up to the billing. He had skills ,but also, like Jesse limitations of, dare I say it, heart! Jesse would would work mostly outside, but inside his footwork was terrible and he was not defensively oriented. Omer never seemed to play with passion and only jumped high enough to get to the rim, hence so many blocks of his shots at the rim. Not sure what's going on, Maybe he's (Coach Ewing)taking what he can get, sigh! It has been so difficult to get team continuity from year to year. Team leadership lacking....it was better this year Glad we have Dante and Carey to set the tone this year. And I hope for leaps by our remaining big guys!! Especially Malcolm.. I'm finished!
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Post by professorhoya on May 22, 2021 9:47:00 GMT -5
Agree that we took three project centers in one class. All came in with little ability to shoot or dribble a basketball. Not a fan of projects in general. I think we ended up with a third because Q was the best and we picked him up last. And yet everybody salivated over Chris Sodom who was a project.
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hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on May 22, 2021 10:44:16 GMT -5
Agree that we took three project centers in one class. All came in with little ability to shoot or dribble a basketball. Not a fan of projects in general. I think we ended up with a third because Q was the best and we picked him up last. And yet everybody salivated over Chris Sodom who was a project. I think people figured Ewing would be able to coach up some of these big man projects. He has shown in 4 years that he’s not very good at that.
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on May 22, 2021 11:04:51 GMT -5
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conshyhoya
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Post by conshyhoya on May 22, 2021 12:53:44 GMT -5
And yet everybody salivated over Chris Sodom who was a project. I think people figured Ewing would be able to coach up some of these big man projects. He has shown in 4 years that he’s not very good at that.
I think the sample size is so small it is hard to tell. Jesse wasn't his recruit and offensively was pretty good and seemed to improve during Ewing. Defensively I can see your point but he wasn't really a project. Omer was his but it is hard to say since he was injured off and on his only year and is now on a NBA roster. Not exactly a project either. So that leaves Q, Timmy and Malcolm if you consider Q a project. IMO Q developed a noticeable amount over his 2 years. Timmy played some but still not a huge amount but I would agree with you didn't make a huge leap to comment about. Malcolm played so little that it is hard to gauge but considering he couldn't get in can be telling he hasn't developed much although with so many C on the roster with pretty similar skills sets how many minutes can they all get especially since Q was clearly the best and cut down on the foul trouble his soph year. I would question the recruiting strategy more than the development.
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conshyhoya
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Post by conshyhoya on May 22, 2021 13:31:37 GMT -5
I forgot Sodom but who wouldn't. He at least was a good 13th scholarship since we had established centers and he had potential. He got kicked off the team so quick that it is tough to say anything about development. More down to recruiting if anything. Bates would be a huge addition and I still think with what I have seen which is watching every single game for years once it was easy to see all the games that Bates would improve under Ewing.
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Post by CTHoya08 on May 22, 2021 14:18:18 GMT -5
Agree that we took three project centers in one class. All came in with little ability to shoot or dribble a basketball. Not a fan of projects in general. I think we ended up with a third because Q was the best and we picked him up last. I think that’s exactly what happened. If we had signed Q first, we probably don’t end up with both of the other two. Wilson is an interesting case. He could graduate in four years and still have two years of eligibility left. Could end up being a useful guy to have around as a super-senior, or could grad-transfer and have a meaningful two-year career somewhere else. Obviously we’d love to see him blossom in the next year or two, but even if he doesn’t, he has the chance to get his GU degree and still transfer “down” and get significant minutes for a couple of seasons.
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2021 14:45:34 GMT -5
Agree that we took three project centers in one class. All came in with little ability to shoot or dribble a basketball. Not a fan of projects in general. I think we ended up with a third because Q was the best and we picked him up last. I think that’s exactly what happened. If we had signed Q first, we probably don’t end up with both of the other two. Wilson is an interesting case. He could graduate in four years and still have two years of eligibility left. Could end up being a useful guy to have around as a super-senior, or could grad-transfer and have a meaningful two-year career somewhere else. Obviously we’d love to see him blossom in the next year or two, but even if he doesn’t, he has the chance to get his GU degree and still transfer “down” and get significant minutes for a couple of seasons. I don't think it's impossible for him to graduate in three and have three remaining. Smart kid.
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Post by SDHoya on May 22, 2021 14:57:28 GMT -5
And yet everybody salivated over Chris Sodom who was a project. I think people figured Ewing would be able to coach up some of these big man projects. He has shown in 4 years that he’s not very good at that. Um, Wahab was the best center in the BE this year, and not by a small margin. Timmy is still a question mark, but he showed positive signs last season. Issue with Sodom wasn't on the court.
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daveg023
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Post by daveg023 on May 22, 2021 17:45:55 GMT -5
I think people figured Ewing would be able to coach up some of these big man projects. He has shown in 4 years that he’s not very good at that. Um, Wahab was the best center in the BE this year, and not by a small margin. Timmy is still a question mark, but he showed positive signs last season. Issue with Sodom wasn't on the court. I think Nate Watson was right up there with Wahab.
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Post by gojeffgoroyunder7 on May 22, 2021 19:32:25 GMT -5
Um, Wahab was the best center in the BE this year, and not by a small margin. Timmy is still a question mark, but he showed positive signs last season. Issue with Sodom wasn't on the court. I think Nate Watson was right up there with Wahab. This is just another example of your negatively slanted posts. Nate Watson? Please.
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daveg023
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Post by daveg023 on May 22, 2021 20:58:01 GMT -5
I think Nate Watson was right up there with Wahab. This is just another example of your negatively slanted posts. Nate Watson? Please. Fact: Watson was 2nd Team All BE; Wahab was not even honorable mention. No slant. I’m just being objective here to the extremely ridiculous comment that Wahab was head and shoulders the best center in the conference. Clearly the league’s coaches didn’t feel that way. I liked Wahab a lot, and I think his ceiling was very high. I was looking forward to a big junior year. He made great strides but still wasn’t a finished product yet.
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swhoya
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Post by swhoya on May 22, 2021 21:13:27 GMT -5
Ok. This thread has, inevitably, jumped the shark and is all about needlessly trashing players, posters, coaches, and small marmots. And of course there are individual threads for all these topics (pretty sure for marmots too) where these discussions can be rehashed another 223 times.
I’ll check back when the title reflects an actual change in Bates’ plans.
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hoyaboya
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Post by hoyaboya on May 22, 2021 21:49:39 GMT -5
Agree that we took three project centers in one class. All came in with little ability to shoot or dribble a basketball. Not a fan of projects in general. I think we ended up with a third because Q was the best and we picked him up last. I think that’s exactly what happened. If we had signed Q first, we probably don’t end up with both of the other two. Wilson is an interesting case. He could graduate in four years and still have two years of eligibility left. Could end up being a useful guy to have around as a super-senior, or could grad-transfer and have a meaningful two-year career somewhere else. Obviously we’d love to see him blossom in the next year or two, but even if he doesn’t, he has the chance to get his GU degree and still transfer “down” and get significant minutes for a couple of seasons. How does any of this help Georgetown’s basketball program?
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Post by hoyaboya on May 22, 2021 21:50:41 GMT -5
This is just another example of your negatively slanted posts. Nate Watson? Please. Fact: Watson was 2nd Team All BE; Wahab was not even honorable mention. No slant. I’m just being objective here to the extremely ridiculous comment that Wahab was head and shoulders the best center in the conference. Clearly the league’s coaches didn’t feel that way. I liked Wahab a lot, and I think his ceiling was very high. I was looking forward to a big junior year. He made great strides but still wasn’t a finished product yet. Well said. And I don’t know how Wahab can be considered a feather in Ewing’s camp when he TRANSFERRED OUT OF EWING’S PROGRAM!
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2021 3:11:40 GMT -5
Fact: Watson was 2nd Team All BE; Wahab was not even honorable mention. No slant. I’m just being objective here to the extremely ridiculous comment that Wahab was head and shoulders the best center in the conference. Clearly the league’s coaches didn’t feel that way. I liked Wahab a lot, and I think his ceiling was very high. I was looking forward to a big junior year. He made great strides but still wasn’t a finished product yet. Well said. And I don’t know how Wahab can be considered a feather in Ewing’s camp when he TRANSFERRED OUT OF EWING’S PROGRAM! Kids transfer for a number of reasons but if your going to comment that Ewing can’t develop bigs how is Q’s development not relevant? Anybody that watched this kid in hs knows he’s come a long way in a short period of time. @baselayertee don’t you think that has more to do with one player being a Soph and the other being a Senior more so then one player being better than the other?
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daveg023
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Post by daveg023 on May 23, 2021 5:10:30 GMT -5
Well said. And I don’t know how Wahab can be considered a feather in Ewing’s camp when he TRANSFERRED OUT OF EWING’S PROGRAM! Kids transfer for a number of reasons but if your going to comment that Ewing can’t develop bigs how is Q’s development not relevant? Anybody that watched this kid in hs knows he’s come a long way in a short period of time. @baselayertee don’t you think that has more to do with one player being a Soph and the other being a Senior more so then one player being better than the other? Yea I totally agree with you there. Wahab was not a finished product yet, and I think his ceiling certainly was higher than Watson. But I believe the comment I was replying to was that Wahab was "head and shoulders" the best center in the league by a "wide margin". I just think that was a pretty Hoya-biased take, when I'd argue Watson had the better season last year, albeit as a Senior. Sophomore Wahab vs Sophomore Watson the edge clearly goes to Wahab.
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Post by blueandgray on May 23, 2021 9:18:43 GMT -5
As much as I enjoyed it when Wahab played well (beating nova in the BET)....he more than any other Hoya frustrated the heck out of me. He was so darn robotic on offense that he often made easy plays much more difficult when right under the basket. The offensive flow would come to a halt at times and we’ve his poor passing has been well documented. He also had such an old school/back to the basket game when the rest of the team played up tempo.
Yes, would he have been the best big in the BE next year....likely....but is that really saying much?
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