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Post by DFW HOYA on Jun 6, 2017 5:55:02 GMT -5
Interesting article: "Transferring into an elite private college is not easy. Princeton hasn’t taken a transfer in more than two decades, according to the latest data from the National Center for Education Statistics. In the fall of 2015, Stanford enrolled 15 transfer students; Yale, 24. Cornell and Georgetown University, known for accepting transfers, took in 497 and 186, respectively. USC, by contrast, accepted 1,505 transfers from 350 colleges. They made up almost one-third of its new undergraduates." www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-usc-transfers-20170605-story.html
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Post by ksf42001 on Jun 6, 2017 7:52:32 GMT -5
Interesting article: "Transferring into an elite private college is not easy. Princeton hasn’t taken a transfer in more than two decades, according to the latest data from the National Center for Education Statistics. In the fall of 2015, Stanford enrolled 15 transfer students; Yale, 24. Cornell and Georgetown University, known for accepting transfers, took in 497 and 186, respectively. USC, by contrast, accepted 1,505 transfers from 350 colleges. They made up almost one-third of its new undergraduates." www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-usc-transfers-20170605-story.htmlAfter a lovely (it was not lovely, but at least it was free) freshman year at Angelo State University in Texas, I transferred to Georgetown in 2002. That year I think we had about 150 transfers accepted, with only a 10% acceptance rate. That was even lower than the freshman rate at the time, but that's most likely due to a good number of people being rejected previously trying again. Georgetown actually did a great job with the transfers in terms of putting most of us in the same dorm (even if it was Darnall) and having a lot of programs to help integrate us. I appreciate that there are schools that understand that 18 year olds don't always know what they need out of their education, so it may take a year or two of college before figuring out where they need to be. I also think the school in general benefited by having a decent # of transfers in the student body, as we sometimes were able to provide a different perspective based on our experiences at a different college. I went from working on a class project with 2 students my age, someone formerly from the airforce, a single mom, and a grandmother (all from within an 2 hour drive of campus) to working with students from all over the county/world (but generally all my age).
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Post by TC on Jun 6, 2017 9:16:51 GMT -5
Interesting article: "Transferring into an elite private college is not easy. Princeton hasn’t taken a transfer in more than two decades, according to the latest data from the National Center for Education Statistics. In the fall of 2015, Stanford enrolled 15 transfer students; Yale, 24. Cornell and Georgetown University, known for accepting transfers, took in 497 and 186, respectively. USC, by contrast, accepted 1,505 transfers from 350 colleges. They made up almost one-third of its new undergraduates." www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-usc-transfers-20170605-story.htmlI feel like the above quote really misses the point : This isn't really about transfers but about community colleges and what schools see a two year degree as a valid entry path to four year University.
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Post by calhoya on Jun 7, 2017 7:12:36 GMT -5
Out here in California we have some excellent community colleges and a tiered system that helps kids coming out of these programs to move into the Cal State schools and the University of California schools.
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Post by RusskyHoya on Jun 10, 2017 14:12:24 GMT -5
Yeah, USC is a an outlier among top-tier private schools in their significant focus on community college graduates.
A big driver of transfer admissions into a school is the attrition rate. While Georgetown's is fairly low, it is much smaller than that of, say, Princeton. No one really transfers out of Princeton. There aren't any more prestigious schools to transfer to, if you're the sort of person who wants to climb the ladder and go to the most exclusive school. Georgetown does lose some people each year who 'move up' in that way. Also, the extensive financial (and other) resources at a place like Princeton - and the extensive resources of most Princeton families - minimize the number of students who leave due to financial or other kinds of pressures. That certainly applies to Georgetown as well, relative to most universities.
Cornell loses a fair number of kids who are looking to move up to a more prestigious school, plus those who find the cold, dark, and isolation of Ithaca not to their liking.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jun 10, 2017 14:42:07 GMT -5
Yeah, USC is a an outlier among top-tier private schools in their significant focus on community college graduates. A big driver of transfer admissions into a school is the attrition rate. While Georgetown's is fairly low, it is much smaller than that of, say, Princeton. No one really transfers out of Princeton. There aren't any more prestigious schools to transfer to, if you're the sort of person who wants to climb the ladder and go to the most exclusive school. Georgetown does lose some people each year who 'move up' in that way. Also, the extensive financial (and other) resources at a place like Princeton - and the extensive resources of most Princeton families - minimize the number of students who leave due to financial or other kinds of pressures. That certainly applies to Georgetown as well, relative to most universities. It wouldn't work for everyone but it's a shrewd marketing move for USC. With all the politics around admissions in the UC schools, a transfer program into USC opens those doors to a lot of talented in-state students that get caught in the numbers game at Berkeley, UCLA, and UCSD, each of which receives over 85,000 applicants a year.
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Post by reformation on Jun 10, 2017 15:45:29 GMT -5
Just curious would gown's ability to accept more transfers have something to do with a high # of study abroad students at gown, which I guess frees up spots under the enrollment cap? Also I'm not surprised that our attrition rate is higher than a Princeton, e.g., --would be curious to see how it compares to a Duke, e.g.,--Cornell seems like a very high #. hard to believe that they have that high an attrition rate
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Post by RusskyHoya on Jun 10, 2017 17:55:55 GMT -5
Just curious would gown's ability to accept more transfers have something to do with a high # of study abroad students at gown, which I guess frees up spots under the enrollment cap? Also I'm not surprised that our attrition rate is higher than a Princeton, e.g., --would be curious to see how it compares to a Duke, e.g.,--Cornell seems like a very high #. hard to believe that they have that high an attrition rate While a high study-abroad rate does allow us to enroll more students while staying under the on-campus cap, it doesn't really make a difference whether they're first-years or transfers, since students only study abroad for 1 year at most while transfers have to spend at least 2 years at Georgetown. In other words, you wouldn't be able to admit a whole bunch of extra transfers to take the place of those abroad, because the abroad students would come back the following year and you'd either be over the cap or unable to accept any new transfers that year. My sense is that Cornell also aggressively uses transfers to shore up some majors that would otherwise be underenrolled by attracting demonstrated high-performers in those fields from other schools. I always have questions about the methodology around how these numbers are reported by various schools, but for what it's worth, you can find data reported to the Department of Education at nces.ed.gov/collegenavigator/Georgetown - 90% 4-year graduation rate, 94% 6-year graduation rate, 96% of students came back after their first year Princeton - 90% 4-year graduation rate, 97% 6-year graduation rate, 98% of students came back after their first year Cornell - 86% 4-year graduation rate, 93% 6-year graduation rate, 97% of students came back after their first year Duke - 86% 4-year graduation rate, 95% 6-year graduation rate, 97% of students came back after their first year
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Post by Jack on Jun 12, 2017 9:59:11 GMT -5
It is interesting that for all of the great things Princeton has done as a leader in committing its financial resources to needy students, if they make no room for transfers they are surely missing out on some special, motivated students who were not quite ready to make that jump at age 17 or 18 but would bring valuable experience and real diversity to the undergraduate experience after thriving in the community college system.
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Post by DFW HOYA on Jun 12, 2017 12:14:47 GMT -5
It is interesting that for all of the great things Princeton has done as a leader in committing its financial resources to needy students, if they make no room for transfers they are surely missing out on some special, motivated students who were not quite ready to make that jump at age 17 or 18 but would bring valuable experience and real diversity to the undergraduate experience after thriving in the community college system. To borrow a phrase from Jack DeGioia, I don't believe that fits the ethos and the culture of Princeton. The Princeton experience is about a four year undergraduate experience and bringing in people who did not take part in that isn't a priority. It's like asking why Georgetown doesn't enroll commuter students, a group which used to make up a share of undergraduates and could have allowed GU to challenge the enrollment cap while it still could. In the end, the residential experience was held to a higher priority over living at home.
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