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Post by DanMcQ on May 14, 2017 12:29:31 GMT -5
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Nevada Hoya
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Post by Nevada Hoya on May 14, 2017 16:33:53 GMT -5
I saw that. What is that all about?
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Post by DanMcQ on May 14, 2017 17:19:49 GMT -5
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Post by gamp on May 14, 2017 17:23:02 GMT -5
Consecutive post season appearances, brand new state of the art practice facility. Bit of a head scratcher.
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Post by reformation on May 14, 2017 17:39:45 GMT -5
Could be a money issue--pure speculation. She seemed to have done pretty well. I'm sure we can get a good replacement "if" we offer some competitive comp. Like most sports at gtown though, admin probably does not have any competitive expectations and will let the program tread water if it can get away with a low cost option.
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Post by RusskyHoya on May 14, 2017 18:49:16 GMT -5
Could be a money issue--pure speculation. She seemed to have done pretty well. I'm sure we can get a good replacement "if" we offer some competitive comp. Like most sports at gtown though, admin probably does not have any competitive expectations and will let the program tread water if it can get away with a low cost option. More money in a *much* lower cost of living area. Still kind of strange - assuming you have a healthy ego and think you're on the rise, you'd think you would hold out for a power conference payday like Coach Flo did. But perhaps there were more immediate needs in that regard. Considering the significant investment/drastic upgrade in facilities the team has gotten with the Thompson Center, WBB should be a strategic investment area for the AD. |
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Post by DFW HOYA on May 14, 2017 19:43:07 GMT -5
Considering the significant investment/drastic upgrade in facilities the team has gotten with the Thompson Center, WBB should be a strategic investment area for the AD. Georgetown's spending on women's basketball is within $13,000 of the top of the league and 74th in Division I. Men's spending is 9th overall in Division I. Strategic investment in sports is not a new concept. Many years ago, there were three defined tiers of sports at Georgetown: national (basketball, track), regional (football, lacrosse, soccer, rowing, sailing, volleyball), and local (baseball, field hockey, golf, softball, swimming, tennis). The national sports were focused to compete for national titles, the regional sports to compete among Northeastern opponents, and the local sports were, well, happy to be there. The terms I've heard lately are "Big East" sports and "Ivy League" sports. Yes, men's basketball wants to compete for a national title. Women's basketball has never been in that orbit. In fact, of the original Big East schools, Georgetown was the only school to have never appeared in the Big East finals. The spending is there, but is Georgetown committed to a national women's basketball program, or does it view it alongside sports of "Ivy League" caliber? The coaching search may provide some context to this. |
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Post by reformation on May 15, 2017 11:29:57 GMT -5
Agree with what you said re both the women's coach + categorization of different sports--interesting now to see which is better Big East or Ivy caliber. For many sports its IVY, some a tossup, a few big east is better.
Given the change in financial aid practices the IVY can basically give full scholarships in pretty much any sport. Sports where Ivy would dominate BE would probably include Tennis, Lacrosse, Rowing, Golf, Swimming to name a few. Would think a lot would be pretty close. Probably men's BB + soccer and maybe baseball better in the BE.
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Post by njhoya78 on May 15, 2017 12:40:26 GMT -5
We should be getting accustomed to Delaware poaching the GU athletic department (Bernard Muir, and now this).
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Post by RusskyHoya on May 20, 2017 9:32:37 GMT -5
Considering the significant investment/drastic upgrade in facilities the team has gotten with the Thompson Center, WBB should be a strategic investment area for the AD. Georgetown's spending on women's basketball is within $13,000 of the top of the league and 74th in Division I. Men's spending is 9th overall in Division I. Strategic investment in sports is not a new concept. Many years ago, there were three defined tiers of sports at Georgetown: national (basketball, track), regional (football, lacrosse, soccer, rowing, sailing, volleyball), and local (baseball, field hockey, golf, softball, swimming, tennis). The national sports were focused to compete for national titles, the regional sports to compete among Northeastern opponents, and the local sports were, well, happy to be there. The terms I've heard lately are "Big East" sports and "Ivy League" sports. Generally speaking, that rough tier system still holds, though obviously there's been some movement. Soccer is now firmly in the national tier; arguably sailing is as well, given their national and even international success, although I don't know enough about their scholarship status and funding relative to other sports to say for certain. Football is most definitely in the "just happy to be here" camp, albeit its most expensive member for obvious reasons. "Big Eas" vs. "Ivy League" is not really a helpful construct, and it's not how McDonough structures its portfolio. It may be used as a shorthand for "scholarships" vs. "few or no scholarships, and we hope the rising tide of general financial aid lifts these boats" by some people (a certain long-time dean of admissions comes to mind), but even in that sense, it obscures as much as it illuminates. As reformation notes, the Ivies are *better* than the Big East in many sports at present. Moreover, for pretty much all of the sports (football is, again, an exception), the division between fully-funded, partially-funded, and non-scholarship is not a strategic/intentional one, but rather one that has evolved over the years due to various forces and variables. If some alum showed up tomorrow offering to fully endow swimming & diving at the NCAA max, we would certainly not say no. And in that hypothetical, we would probably leapfrog over most or all of the Ivies pretty quickly, so it's not that either a "Big East" or an "Ivy" model is the superior one - or necessarily correlated with level of scholarship support, in the case of the Big East. Yes, men's basketball wants to compete for a national title. Women's basketball has never been in that orbit. In fact, of the original Big East schools, Georgetown was the only school to have never appeared in the Big East finals. The spending is there, but is Georgetown committed to a national women's basketball program, or does it view it alongside sports of "Ivy League" caliber? The coaching search may provide some context to this. The women's program did toil in a state of relative obscurity and disinvestment for a long time, although the very different competitive curve in women's basketball and having the hegemonic UConn program in the conference, plus Notre Dame and Rutgers, makes a straight up comparison to the men's game inapt. Prior to Coach Flo's departure for the money and facilities of the SEC, the women's program was on a strong upward trajectory, with a win over the aforementioned Notre Dame and a Sweet Sixteen to their credit. The Thompson Center gives them an enormous boost - more than the men, in many ways. McDonough is a severely constrained facility, but in pretty much every other aspect at this point, the program is far closer to power conferences than the Ivies. |
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