sleepy
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Post by sleepy on Apr 26, 2017 20:22:45 GMT -5
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Post by seaweed on Apr 27, 2017 14:04:16 GMT -5
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Post by sead43 on Apr 27, 2017 14:09:27 GMT -5
Figured there might be some discussion worth having about what the current shakeup at the WWL may mean for the college sports world both short and long term. Some very familiar college hoops names are out including Dana O'Neil, Eamonn Brennan, Andy Katz, and Len Elmore. Wonder if anyone lands at FS1, which could be good for the Big East...
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Post by Jack on Apr 27, 2017 14:35:05 GMT -5
In the long term, nothing about this is good for the Big East when ESPN takes the logical next step of cutting back its spending on media rights, or possibly even eliminating channels (ESPNU seems like a possible start).
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Post by sleepy on Apr 27, 2017 15:16:10 GMT -5
In the long term, nothing about this is good for the Big East when ESPN takes the logical next step of cutting back its spending on media rights, or possibly even eliminating channels (ESPNU seems like a possible start). Maybe, maybe not. It depends on how savvy the Big East is about distributing its content over the next decade or so. ESPN's problem is that it isn't adapting its business model to cord cutters, it has BY FAR the most invested in the current (dying) cable model than any of its competitors, and it made a huge gamble on cable viewing staying by and large the same for sports over the next 15-20 years and severely outbid for content. I think its pretty clear the the bubble around college sports (arguable sports content in general) is going to burst (or at least deflate). As more and more live sports content is being distributed through untraditional channels, the more disruption will occur and the more ESPN will suffer. Foxs Sports, NBC Sports, and the like have the benefit of being able to be more flexible with their distribution.
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 27, 2017 15:32:16 GMT -5
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Post by HometownHoya on Apr 27, 2017 16:07:06 GMT -5
It's crazy how E!SPN is dumping so many quality reporters across all sports and just keeping "personalities"... keep digging that hole deeper
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Post by kghoya on Apr 27, 2017 16:47:14 GMT -5
if you want to have a really bad time read through some of the comments in the clay travis article
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Post by Elvado on Apr 27, 2017 16:53:18 GMT -5
Having a hard time working up any concern for this bunch of blowhards.
ESPN became a caricature of itself. They might as well drop the S at this point.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
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Post by 4aks on Apr 27, 2017 17:39:38 GMT -5
I assume the better of the college bb analysts will find new homes, maybe not at the same payscale ... though a few of them might be able to set up their own youtube type channels and get ad revs directly ... will be a lumpy income stream, but might work better for them
I don't see ESPNU being shut down or anything like that, they can further reduce costs with remote-based commentary, or simply license the radio broadcast and throw that over the video
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 27, 2017 17:56:07 GMT -5
As mentioned in quite a bit of twitter commentary about this subject, these sort of layoffs have been going on in the print media for a number of years now.
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Post by hoya95 on Apr 27, 2017 18:29:41 GMT -5
ESPN kept most of the blowhards and really targeted the reporters for the chopping block. Really wish FS1 hadn't gone the same route a couple of years ago because now we have no alternative. ESPN has doubled down on rancid debate shows and now these weird "personality" shows. I tuned in to the Scott Van Pelt sportscenter for the first time last night. Seriously, what in the hell is that? He's giving strange, smug commentaries with a generic soundtrack playing. Who thought it was a good idea to build a cult of personality show around that guy? He's about as bland as it gets.
I know that the cable sports bubble is a separate issue, but watching these networks flailing around is just painful.
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Post by tashoya on Apr 27, 2017 20:10:10 GMT -5
In the long term, nothing about this is good for the Big East when ESPN takes the logical next step of cutting back its spending on media rights, or possibly even eliminating channels (ESPNU seems like a possible start). Maybe, maybe not. It depends on how savvy the Big East is about distributing its content over the next decade or so. ESPN's problem is that it isn't adapting its business model to cord cutters, it has BY FAR the most invested in the current (dying) cable model than any of its competitors, and it made a huge gamble on cable viewing staying by and large the same for sports over the next 15-20 years and severely outbid for content. I think its pretty clear the the bubble around college sports (arguable sports content in general) is going to burst (or at least deflate). As more and more live sports content is being distributed through untraditional channels, the more disruption will occur and the more ESPN will suffer. Foxs Sports, NBC Sports, and the like have the benefit of being able to be more flexible with their distribution. The thing is, ESPN is the nontraditional channel. They are just really slow in realizing it. If Netflix, Amazon Prime, Hulu, HBOGO, etc. weren't enough examples of the direction distribution and content was headed for ESPN brass, then firing the "talent" wasn't where they should have started with the layoffs. ESPN has and has had the money to invest in infrastructure and distribution channels but have chosen to watch the world go by. I'll not shed a tear for ESPN or Cablevision or Time Warner just as I didn't for EMI, BMG or Sony Music. They chose to keep bilking customers (and artists) for as long as possible before attempting to adjust or crying foul. ESPN is following the same progression.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on Apr 28, 2017 0:00:10 GMT -5
Having a hard time working up any concern for this bunch of blowhards. ESPN became a caricature of itself. They might as well drop the S at this point. Good riddance to bad rubbish. A lot of the people who lost their jobs in this purge were my friends, or people I respect. A ton of good journalists, and a ton of great reporters or writers. Whatever you feel about the network as a whole is your business. But your post is extremely offensive to me and extremely crass overall. You're actively rooting for people - real human beings - to lose their jobs, their livelihoods. These people have families. The lack of respect for them on a human level in your post is both sad and alarming
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Post by SaxaCD on Apr 28, 2017 1:11:24 GMT -5
Having a hard time working up any concern for this bunch of blowhards. ESPN became a caricature of itself. They might as well drop the S at this point. Good riddance to bad rubbish. A lot of the people who lost their jobs in this purge were my friends, or people I respect. A ton of good journalists, and a ton of great reporters or writers. Whatever you feel about the network as a whole is your business. But your post is extremely offensive to me and extremely crass overall. You're actively rooting for people - real human beings - to lose their jobs, their livelihoods. These people have families. The lack of respect for them on a human level in your post is both sad and alarming Elvado did nothing of the sort. I am sure he will be thrilled for many of the reporters and their families when they sign on with different outlets (or at least he won't begrudge them). What he said about the channel itself is what a lot of people who used to love the channel feel. The "bad rubbish" he was obviously referring to is the channel and the executives who decided clowning was more important than sports; he clearly was not talking about actual sports reporters.
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Post by Elvado on Apr 28, 2017 4:36:33 GMT -5
Having a hard time working up any concern for this bunch of blowhards. ESPN became a caricature of itself. They might as well drop the S at this point. Good riddance to bad rubbish. A lot of the people who lost their jobs in this purge were my friends, or people I respect. A ton of good journalists, and a ton of great reporters or writers. Whatever you feel about the network as a whole is your business. But your post is extremely offensive to me and extremely crass overall. You're actively rooting for people - real human beings - to lose their jobs, their livelihoods. These people have families. The lack of respect for them on a human level in your post is both sad and alarming Perhaps a safe zone is in order. My comments were directed at the network and the crap fest it has become. I would not know any of these friends of yours if I tripped over them. I do not root for people to lose their jobs or have misfortune. But I will not shed a tear for E_PN ever...
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Post by DanMcQ on Apr 28, 2017 6:23:53 GMT -5
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Post by hoya2x2010 on Apr 28, 2017 6:35:38 GMT -5
A lot of the people who lost their jobs in this purge were my friends, or people I respect. A ton of good journalists, and a ton of great reporters or writers. Whatever you feel about the network as a whole is your business. But your post is extremely offensive to me and extremely crass overall. You're actively rooting for people - real human beings - to lose their jobs, their livelihoods. These people have families. The lack of respect for them on a human level in your post is both sad and alarming Perhaps a safe zone is in order. My comments were directed at the network and the crap fest it has become. I would not know any of these friends of yours if I tripped over them. I do not root for people to lose their jobs or have misfortune. But I will not shed a tear for E_PN ever... this all sounds good...except the people affected are the actual journalists. The blowhards and ratings clowns (I.e. Stephen A Smith) aren't going anywhere, and neither is the brass. the content just gets worse and a lot of good people, professionals, are out of their jobs.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Apr 28, 2017 8:22:56 GMT -5
This is representative of the changing consumer and I think there will be a day of reckoning which trickles down to all athletic depts. and hopefully coaches salaries. Listen, there is no way any coach should be making the sums of money they are. They are playying off of free labor and a cable model which is quickly dying. I think those who have big time football but not big time results are the ones that are going to really pay the price when this all shakes out. BBall is probably the most cost effective high profile sport to put money into so I think strategically Gtown is pretty well situated but the gravy train isn't going to continue forever.
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Post by HoyaSC on Apr 28, 2017 18:59:47 GMT -5
This is representative of the changing consumer and I think there will be a day of reckoning which trickles down to all athletic depts. and hopefully coaches salaries. Listen, there is no way any coach should be making the sums of money they are. They are playying off of free labor and a cable model which is quickly dying. I think those who have big time football but not big time results are the ones that are going to really pay the price when this all shakes out. BBall is probably the most cost effective high profile sport to put money into so I think strategically Gtown is pretty well situated but the gravy train isn't going to continue forever. Bingo. Some of those programs are already suffering big time. Look at the losers in the last round of musical chairs. There's not a dime's worth of difference between Louisville and Cincinnati's football programs, but Louisville got the ACC invite and the Bearcats are left with a gigantic investment that produces nothing. See also UConn, Directional Floridas.
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