Bigs"R"Us
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jul 20, 2017 10:40:36 GMT -5
Better to under promise and over deliver.
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EtomicB
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Post by EtomicB on Jul 20, 2017 11:44:42 GMT -5
Better to under promise and over deliver. Speaking on the development of the players in a more in depth way doesn't automatically heighten fan expectations..
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Post by calhoya on Jul 20, 2017 11:53:27 GMT -5
Actually, this year is a great opportunity for Ewing to jump start the program. Given the very low expectations of many fans, if Ewing can produce an enjoyable style of basketball with players hustling and playing hard at both ends and achieve anything close to a .500 record it will greatly enhance his reputation as a coach and help start the program back to respectability. By no means an easy task, but Ewing has a fairly low bar by which this season will be judged.
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Post by johnnysnowplow on Jul 20, 2017 12:36:01 GMT -5
Actually, this year is a great opportunity for Ewing to jump start the program. Given the very low expectations of many fans, if Ewing can produce an enjoyable style of basketball with players hustling and playing hard at both ends and achieve anything close to a .500 record it will greatly enhance his reputation as a coach and help start the program back to respectability. By no means an easy task, but Ewing has a fairly low bar by which this season will be judged. I agree with this. The bar is so low. Me personally, I want to see 4 things (in no particular order): 1) An enjoyable style of basketball to watch. 2) Kids playing hard for 40 minutes. 3) Coaches holding players accountable for lack of effort, poor play, etc. 4) Steady improvement, both individually and as a team, over the course of the season. I don't care what our record is or who we beat. I'll be thrilled if we exceed expectations but I won't be upset if this season is as bad as many of us think it will be. As long as I feel we've met those 4 expectations, I'll consider the season successful.
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Post by ColumbiaHeightsHoya on Jul 20, 2017 13:37:56 GMT -5
Actually, this year is a great opportunity for Ewing to jump start the program. Given the very low expectations of many fans, if Ewing can produce an enjoyable style of basketball with players hustling and playing hard at both ends and achieve anything close to a .500 record it will greatly enhance his reputation as a coach and help start the program back to respectability. By no means an easy task, but Ewing has a fairly low bar by which this season will be judged. I agree with this. The bar is so low. Me personally, I want to see 4 things (in no particular order): 1) An enjoyable style of basketball to watch. 2) Kids playing hard for 40 minutes. 3) Coaches holding players accountable for lack of effort, poor play, etc. 4) Steady improvement, both individually and as a team, over the course of the season. I don't care what our record is or who we beat. I'll be thrilled if we exceed expectations but I won't be upset if this season is as bad as many of us think it will be. As long as I feel we've met those 4 expectations, I'll consider the season successful. I would add one more thing to your list although yours are clearly all about the on-court focus. Mine would be 5) some success in recruiting. 1, 2, 3, & 4 were all missing the past two years.
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hoyainla
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Post by hoyainla on Jul 20, 2017 13:55:09 GMT -5
Well it's now official. Don't like it but it is what it is.
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Post by HometownHoya on Jul 20, 2017 14:06:06 GMT -5
Administrative role. That means he'll help with scheduling and transportation. I'm fine with that.
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Post by guru on Jul 20, 2017 14:17:28 GMT -5
Well it's now official. Don't like it but it is what it is. Wow. Not surprising given all the rumors - but still extremely disappointing.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jul 20, 2017 14:30:49 GMT -5
I guess the Nepotism Clause is utilized when convenient.
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Post by LCPolo18 on Jul 20, 2017 14:56:45 GMT -5
I guess the Nepotism Clause is utilized when convenient. Not that I’m happy about the news, but technically wouldn’t the anti-nepotism clause only apply to instances where a family member reports to another family member? So if Ronnie’s job title reports to Ewing then it wouldn’t be in violation of the anti-nepotism clause.
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Post by whatrocks33 on Jul 20, 2017 14:57:07 GMT -5
Speaking of the Nepotism Clause, I ran into PE, Jr last Friday at Kenner. As he told me earlier in the spring, he's found a home within the athletic department that doesn't have him reporting to the men's BB coach.
I know there are lots of opinions about JTII and his brother, but it's still nice to see that we take care of our own. Maybe the timing could have been better on this one, however.
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Post by augustusfinknottle on Jul 20, 2017 15:00:01 GMT -5
I suppose all this will end some day. I only wish I could have lived to see it. Total failure on the part of the Administration beginning with the search.
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Post by HometownHoya on Jul 20, 2017 15:43:00 GMT -5
If you want a whole new staff with a whole new influence, I'm sure I can find about 350 other programs for you to root for.
Georgetown basketball IS the Thompsons. We got away from the a head coach who was stagnating to a guy who was on track to be a NBA HC. Even though we parted ways with JT3, we are still a family program and the administration, many fans, and some recruits appreciate that.
Give it a rest and root for the program (which was built by John Thompson Jr). If you're sick of that family, like I said, there are 350 programs out there without the Thompson family.
Also, there is probably no position with less of an impact on the play on the court then an administration position. It'll be fine.
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Post by iowa80 on Jul 20, 2017 15:44:58 GMT -5
It's kind of like the player-to-be-named-later, I think. III is traded for PE and Ronnie.
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Post by the_way on Jul 20, 2017 15:50:00 GMT -5
It's kind of like the player-to-be-named-later, I think. III is traded for PE and Ronnie. Yep, with Pops as the GM.
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Post by bostonfan on Jul 20, 2017 15:53:16 GMT -5
If you want a whole new staff with a whole new influence, I'm sure I can find about 350 other programs for you to root for. Georgetown basketball IS the Thompsons. We got away from the a head coach who was stagnating to a guy who was on track to be a NBA HC. Even though we parted ways with JT3, we are still a family program and the administration, many fans, and some recruits appreciate that. Give it a rest and root for the program (which was built by John Thompson Jr). If you're sick of that family, like I said, there are 350 programs out there without the Thompson family. Also, there is probably no position with less of an impact on the play on the court then an administration position. It'll be fine. I agree, I don't think Ronnie has any impact on how the team plays on the court this year. The team is going to have limited offensive resources this season so it needs to make sure it maximizes every possession and reduces the number of turnovers they have every game significantly. On the other side of the ball they need to play much better team defense and find a way to play aggressively without fouling as much. Make the opponents earn their points. In a lot of ways it is the way that Butler has played for a bunch of years and it has been successful for them.
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Post by EtomicB on Jul 20, 2017 16:13:57 GMT -5
If you want a whole new staff with a whole new influence, I'm sure I can find about 350 other programs for you to root for. Georgetown basketball IS the Thompsons. We got away from the a head coach who was stagnating to a guy who was on track to be a NBA HC. Even though we parted ways with JT3, we are still a family program and the administration, many fans, and some recruits appreciate that. Give it a rest and root for the program (which was built by John Thompson Jr). If you're sick of that family, like I said, there are 350 programs out there without the Thompson family. Also, there is probably no position with less of an impact on the play on the court then an administration position. It'll be fine. How would you know what his impact will be? It was rumored that he was the person working the players out during the search.. Do you honestly believe Ronnie left a broadcasting job to handle travel reservations? As for Ronnie, I don't like the optics but I don't mind the hire.. He spoke his mind when he was on air & I hope that continues in whatever role he has(which will more than likely never be defined to us fans)
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Post by augustusfinknottle on Jul 20, 2017 16:14:09 GMT -5
350 but I only went to one of them. Georgetown basketball is Georgetown basketball. The jerseys do not read "Thompson". It is time to accept that that era is over. Until that is recognized we will be mediocre at best.
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Post by TC on Jul 20, 2017 16:28:48 GMT -5
Take a new head coach with 0 NCAA experience and 0 head coaching experience and make his chief of staff a possibly ethically challenged coaching washout who introduces a confusing power structure to the program. What could go wrong?
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jul 20, 2017 16:31:24 GMT -5
Hiring Ronnie Thompson for any role is absolutely absurd and ridiculous. Aside from the fact that when he coached elsewhere he was horrible, the optics of firing JT3 and then hiring his brother to work under Ewing is just terrible. I understand that John Thompson Jr. built the program and I have great respect for him as a result of that.
However, Thompson Jr.'s last years were very weak, he was largely responsible for the bad condition of the program that Esherick inherited (and made worse). While JT3 was obviously influenced by his father, he did do things his own way - like the Princeton offense, etc. To the extent JT3 was hampered by his father, that is not a good thing.
Like many, I was very displeased by the coaching search. I do not think Ewing was the best candidate that would have come out of a truly national coach, but I accepted him (as I would have accepted anybody, since my loyalty is to the program) and I hope for the best. That said, I want Patrick Ewing to run the program himself. Would Ewing have picked Ronnie Thompson in a vacuum? I find that very hard to believe.
If it truly is an administrative position, it really doesn't matter, but the cycle of Thompsons through the athletic department sends a bad message.
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