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Post by 95hoya on Jan 9, 2018 14:50:39 GMT -5
Pickett's been frustrating, but you have to let him play through his mistakes and that's why he came here. He didn't want to develop on the bench elsewhere. We need him to become a stud. While Jagan and Blair bring things needed, they don't have the capability of turning into a top level player like Pickett.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 9, 2018 14:58:41 GMT -5
Short term, hopefully better results on the court. Mosely/Blair are better offensive players than Pickett right now and they turn the ball over less. On defense, I don't think any of the three are particularly good, so I don't think that is a real difference maker when it comes to minutes. Long term, you'd get Blair/Mosely more minutes and experience, and Pickett would still be getting a lot of experience too, just a bit less. So I think all around it wouldn't be a bad thing. I don't want to overstate this: we are talking about relatively small changes here, to the point where it wouldn't matter that much. But, for example, if a game was close at the end of the second half, I likely wouldn't play Pickett at all because I would want to try to win, and I don't think Pickett does that for us right now. But I can still see playing him a fair amount of minutes for development reasons. If the goal was to win short term at any cost, then I would severely cut Pickett back, but the team isn't good and won't be doing anything post-season, so if the goal is player development, it makes sense for Pickett to be getting a fair share of minutes. It would also make sense for Walker to get more time, but I get that his minutes are curtailed by Derrickson/Govan being the two best players on the team. The problem is out of the 3 players mentioned only one has all BE potential and that's the one that you want to cut minutes in pursuit of marginally better results in the short term. Pickett might have all Big East "potential," but he is extremely far from that level at the moment. Could he develop and turn into that player? Maybe. But right now, he's not doing anything at even a solid level for the Big East, never mind All Big East level. He doesn't shoot well, he doesn't rebound well, he doesn't play defense well, he turns it over a ton, and he's not a sharpshooter. Regardless, Pickett is averaging 26 minutes per game. Would his potential be limited if he played, let's say 20-22? I don't think so, particularly when you consider that Mosely/Blair are the likely recipients of that time, we need better guards, and aside from McClung have nobody coming in to help there (aside from Malinowski). Again, all I said originally was that I would play Pickett "slightly less." We aren't really all that far apart here.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 9, 2018 14:58:54 GMT -5
Pickett is flowing with potential, but there are no guarantees. He could be the next Reggie Williams or the next Dajuan Summers. I never felt Summers lived up to his potential and was content just hanging out on the perimeter jacking threes.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 9, 2018 15:00:50 GMT -5
Pickett's been frustrating, but you have to let him play through his mistakes and that's why he came here. He didn't want to develop on the bench elsewhere. We need him to become a stud. While Jagan and Blair bring things needed, they don't have the capability of turning into a top level player like Pickett. Part of my concern is that Georgetown has had a line of players who we needed to become studs, and they never did. Copeland got playing time and it didn't seem to help. Reggie Cameron was a top 100 player who was supposedly a sharp shooter, and he could never shoot. Hopkins - another top 100 recruit with tons of potential who never panned out fully. Maybe I am just scarred by a few of these guys who got a fair amount of playing time and never panned out, but right now Pickett is doing nothing on the court indicating that he's going to be a stud, aside from having a good shooting form. He's not even all that athletic.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jan 9, 2018 15:02:01 GMT -5
Short term, hopefully better results on the court. Mosely/Blair are better offensive players than Pickett right now and they turn the ball over less. On defense, I don't think any of the three are particularly good, so I don't think that is a real difference maker when it comes to minutes. Long term, you'd get Blair/Mosely more minutes and experience, and Pickett would still be getting a lot of experience too, just a bit less. So I think all around it wouldn't be a bad thing. I don't want to overstate this: we are talking about relatively small changes here, to the point where it wouldn't matter that much. But, for example, if a game was close at the end of the second half, I likely wouldn't play Pickett at all because I would want to try to win, and I don't think Pickett does that for us right now. But I can still see playing him a fair amount of minutes for development reasons. If the goal was to win short term at any cost, then I would severely cut Pickett back, but the team isn't good and won't be doing anything post-season, so if the goal is player development, it makes sense for Pickett to be getting a fair share of minutes. It would also make sense for Walker to get more time, but I get that his minutes are curtailed by Derrickson/Govan being the two best players on the team. The problem is out of the 3 players mentioned only one has all BE potential and that's the one that you want to cut minutes in pursuit of marginally better results in the short term. This narrative of "all BE potential" has to stop until proof is shown to back this up. Outside of Picketts physical measurements (6'8" long arms) he hasn't done anything that show signs of ever being "all BE potential". Doesn't rebound or defend and turns it over at an alarming rate. The 2 other freshman on the team have shown more growth in their development and game than Pickett has so far. Right now Pickett plays 3 point line to 3 point line. He is much closer to Reggie Cameron than All BE potential. I contend he really hurt his development by missing the entire summer of workouts. Pickett avoids the physical aspects of the game like rebounding and helpside interior defense. Blair has 11 more offensive rebounds than Pickett on the season. Walker has more offensive rebounds than Pickett and has played 1/3 of Picketts minutes per game average. 5 Offensive Rebounds total thru 15 games for a starting 6'8" 2 Guard/Wing who has a size advantage in every game he plays vs his defender. Rebounding is a want to. Right now Pickett is out their just stealing minutes... Most freshman with high level/all conference potential show you signs early pointing to this. Until we see a sign of some kind, some improvements in his game, the declaration of Pickett being an "All BE potential" is premature at this point.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 9, 2018 15:03:17 GMT -5
This narrative of "all BE potential" has to stop until proof is shown to back this up. Outside of Picketts physical measurements (6'8" long arms) he hasn't done anything that show signs of ever being "all BE potential". Doesn't rebound or defend and turns it over at an alarming rate. The 2 other freshman on the team have shown more growth in their development and game than Pickett has so far. Right now Pickett PhD plays 3 point line to 3 point line. He is much closer to Reggie Cameron than All BE potential. I contend he really hurt his development by missing the entire summer of workouts. Pickett avoids the physical aspects of the game like rebounding and helpside interior defense. Blair has 11 more offensive rebounds than Pickett on the season. Walker has more offensive rebounds than Pickett and has played 1/3 of Picketts minutes per game average. 5 Offensive Rebounds total thru 15 games for a starting 6'8" 2 Guard/Wing who has a size advantage in every game he plays vs his defender. Rebounding is a want to. Right now Pickett is out their just stealing minutes... Most freshman with high level/all conference potential show you signs early pointing to this. Until we see a sign of some kind, some improvements in his game, the declaration of Pickett being an "All BE potential" is premature at this point. This is spot on. You hit on a key point. I think if there were signs of the potential, it would be easier to accept. But right now, there are no signs of it.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Jan 9, 2018 15:08:31 GMT -5
I don't recall a freshman given so much opportunity. He has the green light to shoot through his struggles, but to no avail so far. You gotta hope it all clicks one day.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2018 15:28:07 GMT -5
The problem is out of the 3 players mentioned only one has all BE potential and that's the one that you want to cut minutes in pursuit of marginally better results in the short term. Pickett might have all Big East "potential," but he is extremely far from that level at the moment. Could he develop and turn into that player? Maybe. But right now, he's not doing anything at even a solid level for the Big East, never mind All Big East level. He doesn't shoot well, he doesn't rebound well, he doesn't play defense well, he turns it over a ton, and he's not a sharpshooter. Regardless, Pickett is averaging 26 minutes per game. Would his potential be limited if he played, let's say 20-22? I don't think so, particularly when you consider that Mosely/Blair are the likely recipients of that time, we need better guards, and aside from McClung have nobody coming in to help there (aside from Malinowski). Again, all I said originally was that I would play Pickett "slightly less." We aren't really all that far apart here. He's a Freshman... and all of them are equally far from that level... In other words none of these kids are doing anything at a solid BE level but all things equal a 6'9 with guard skills is harder to guard than a 6'3 with guard skills. This is why I say you're so encompassed by numbers you fail to look at the game from a feel standpoint. Of course Blair is better at not turning the ball over as much. He's always played on the perimeter, Morko has not, but he's loose with the ball also despite that because he's a frosh also. Their shooting numbers are basically identical. If the difference is on the margins and as a coach you know you're building something for the future vs right now, you give the minutes to the superior talent. This move isn't really about this year obviously. As you pointed out both are playing, just Pickett is getting a smidge more. Who do you think in 3 years will be the better player? That's what this is about, not winning one or 2 extra games in a season you know as a HC is going nowhere.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2018 15:34:01 GMT -5
The problem is out of the 3 players mentioned only one has all BE potential and that's the one that you want to cut minutes in pursuit of marginally better results in the short term. This narrative of "all BE potential" has to stop until proof is shown to back this up. Outside of Picketts physical measurements (6'8" long arms) he hasn't done anything that show signs of ever being "all BE potential". Doesn't rebound or defend and turns it over at an alarming rate. The 2 other freshman on the team have shown more growth in their development and game than Pickett has so far. Right now Pickett plays 3 point line to 3 point line. He is much closer to Reggie Cameron than All BE potential. I contend he really hurt his development by missing the entire summer of workouts. Pickett avoids the physical aspects of the game like rebounding and helpside interior defense. Blair has 11 more offensive rebounds than Pickett on the season. Walker has more offensive rebounds than Pickett and has played 1/3 of Picketts minutes per game average. 5 Offensive Rebounds total thru 15 games for a starting 6'8" 2 Guard/Wing who has a size advantage in every game he plays vs his defender. Rebounding is a want to. Right now Pickett is out their just stealing minutes... Most freshman with high level/all conference potential show you signs early pointing to this. Until we see a sign of some kind, some improvements in his game, the declaration of Pickett being an "All BE potential" is premature at this point. Not everybody realizes their potential but he definitely has all BE potential. He has potential to grow into one of the top 15 players in the conference. He could also not reach it.... You disagree? Ok but which one of the three guys in the convo has the best chance to get there?
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jan 9, 2018 15:34:13 GMT -5
The problem is out of the 3 players mentioned only one has all BE potential and that's the one that you want to cut minutes in pursuit of marginally better results in the short term. Pickett might have all Big East "potential," but he is extremely far from that level at the moment. Could he develop and turn into that player? Maybe. But right now, he's not doing anything at even a solid level for the Big East, never mind All Big East level. He doesn't shoot well, he doesn't rebound well, he doesn't play defense well, he turns it over a ton, and he's not a sharpshooter. Regardless, Pickett is averaging 26 minutes per game. Would his potential be limited if he played, let's say 20-22? I don't think so, particularly when you consider that Mosely/Blair are the likely recipients of that time, we need better guards, and aside from McClung have nobody coming in to help there (aside from Malinowski). Again, all I said originally was that I would play Pickett "slightly less." We aren't really all that far apart here. I agree that Pickett's minutes Should be trimmed unless he has it going that game. Sometimes you have to protect them from themselves and find ways to build and boost their confidence. if they are put in positions of continuous failure, it may hinder how and quickly they develop. Outside of an Elite freshman Greg Monroe type and a gaping whole in the lineup, I've never been a fan of starting freshman right away. I know the 1 & done culture makes it almost a necessity to keep up recruiting wise. Freshmen can learn a lot from sitting and watching early in games. Also as a coach you can use the carrot of playing time and eventually starting to keep pushing the freshman to work and improve. With today's freshmen you risk the opportunity of losing them all together (pout and then team transfer) if you give them the carrot immediately and then have to pull back If it's not working.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2018 15:36:29 GMT -5
One thing Pickett isn't lacking is confidence, cmon man... Neither is Blair for that matter, they both let it fly often...
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Post by hoyalove4ever on Jan 9, 2018 15:39:31 GMT -5
Pickett's been frustrating, but you have to let him play through his mistakes and that's why he came here. He didn't want to develop on the bench elsewhere. We need him to become a stud. While Jagan and Blair bring things needed, they don't have the capability of turning into a top level player like Pickett. Part of my concern is that Georgetown has had a line of players who we needed to become studs, and they never did. Copeland got playing time and it didn't seem to help. Reggie Cameron was a top 100 player who was supposedly a sharp shooter, and he could never shoot. Hopkins - another top 100 recruit with tons of potential who never panned out fully. Maybe I am just scarred by a few of these guys who got a fair amount of playing time and never panned out, but right now Pickett is doing nothing on the court indicating that he's going to be a stud, aside from having a good shooting form. He's not even all that athletic. I think Pickett is pretty athletic.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on Jan 9, 2018 15:46:56 GMT -5
This narrative of "all BE potential" has to stop until proof is shown to back this up. Outside of Picketts physical measurements (6'8" long arms) he hasn't done anything that show signs of ever being "all BE potential". Doesn't rebound or defend and turns it over at an alarming rate. The 2 other freshman on the team have shown more growth in their development and game than Pickett has so far. Right now Pickett plays 3 point line to 3 point line. He is much closer to Reggie Cameron than All BE potential. I contend he really hurt his development by missing the entire summer of workouts. Pickett avoids the physical aspects of the game like rebounding and helpside interior defense. Blair has 11 more offensive rebounds than Pickett on the season. Walker has more offensive rebounds than Pickett and has played 1/3 of Picketts minutes per game average. 5 Offensive Rebounds total thru 15 games for a starting 6'8" 2 Guard/Wing who has a size advantage in every game he plays vs his defender. Rebounding is a want to. Right now Pickett is out their just stealing minutes... Most freshman with high level/all conference potential show you signs early pointing to this. Until we see a sign of some kind, some improvements in his game, the declaration of Pickett being an "All BE potential" is premature at this point. Not everybody realizes their potential but he definitely has all BE potential. He has potential to grow into one of the top 15 players in the conference. He could also not reach it.... You disagree? Ok but which one of the three guys in the convo has the best chance to get there? Tbh none of them have shown all BE potential yet. Doesn't mean they can't/won't, but based on the play so far None have. If anything, Walker and Blair have both played better than Pickett but that's probably because Outside of the Butler game with Blair, they haven't been left out there to play over their heads and fall on their faces. Also I believe the BE only has 2 All Conference Team's not 3.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2018 15:57:20 GMT -5
Not everybody realizes their potential but he definitely has all BE potential. He has potential to grow into one of the top 15 players in the conference. He could also not reach it.... You disagree? Ok but which one of the three guys in the convo has the best chance to get there? Tbh none of them have shown all BE potential yet. Doesn't mean they can't/won't, but based on the play so far None have. If anything, Walker and Blair have both played better than Pickett but that's probably because Outside of the Butler game with Blair, they haven't been left out there to play over their heads and fall on their faces. Also I believe the BE only has 2 All Conference Team's not 3. 13 players, including BE Honorable mention... If you had to bet on 1 of the 3?
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Post by veilside21 on Jan 9, 2018 16:18:27 GMT -5
so since we are discussing Pickett let me jump in to the mix. I think better handles will make Pickett unstoppable, the confidence is there i guess its just the shaky handle , his stroke is there already. I think he should prioritize that i mean everyone who stay should specially our guards. Pat should tag AI to work with these kids over the summer to tighten up their handles
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Post by OldHoyafan on Jan 9, 2018 16:19:16 GMT -5
I agree that of the three mentioned, Pickett has the most potential. He is starting now because Mulmore and Johnson are reluctant to shoot open shots from the perimeter. Teams are already backing into the paint to counter Govan and Derrickson. His defense has been stable but not great. Blair’s defense has not been that good. I think Pickett should continue to start but if he is not hitting open shots early, a quicker substitution of Blair should happen. Pickett is athletic and his height and length are tantalizingly for B.B. junkies. We will see more of this athleticism next year when more able guards are able to run and present openings for him. Mulmore has to become more aggressive. He has to force himself to believe that he can hit the open shot and just pull the trigger when the situation arises. He is the only hope of getting any semblance of a stable pg this year. His reluctance to take that mantle has been frustrating. He has an upside if he keeps trying. Mulmore and Dickerson are; what you see is what you will get by season’s end.
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Post by OldHoyafan on Jan 9, 2018 16:22:45 GMT -5
I agree that of the three mentioned, Pickett has the most potential. He is starting now because Mulmore and Johnson are reluctant to shoot open shots from the perimeter. Teams are already backing into the paint to counter Govan and Derrickson. His defense has been stable but not great. Blair’s defense has not been that good. I think Pickett should continue to start but if he is not hitting open shots early, a quicker substitution of Blair should happen. Pickett is athletic and his height and length are tantalizingly for B.B. junkies. We will see more of this athleticism next year when more able guards are able to run and present openings for him. Mulmore has to become more aggressive. He has to force himself to believe that he can hit the open shot and just pull the trigger when the situation arises. He is the only hope of getting any semblance of a stable pg this year. His reluctance to take that mantle has been frustrating. He has an upside if he keeps trying. Mulmore and Dickerson are; what you see is what you will get by season’s end. Correction meant to say Moseley needs to be more aggressive.
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Post by michaelgrahmstylie on Jan 9, 2018 16:26:48 GMT -5
Pickett is the real deal, folks. Give him time. Give him a little time.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Jan 9, 2018 16:43:08 GMT -5
He's a Freshman... and all of them are equally far from that level... In other words none of these kids are doing anything at a solid BE level but all things equal a 6'9 with guard skills is harder to guard than a 6'3 with guard skills. This is why I say you're so encompassed by numbers you fail to look at the game from a feel standpoint. Of course Blair is better at not turning the ball over as much. He's always played on the perimeter, Morko has not, but he's loose with the ball also despite that because he's a frosh also. Their shooting numbers are basically identical. If the difference is on the margins and as a coach you know you're building something for the future vs right now, you give the minutes to the superior talent. This move isn't really about this year obviously. As you pointed out both are playing, just Pickett is getting a smidge more. Who do you think in 3 years will be the better player? That's what this is about, not winning one or 2 extra games in a season you know as a HC is going nowhere. This really has nothing to do with being "so encompassed by numbers you fail to look at the game from a feel standpoint." Sure, the numbers are pretty bad, but I am basing my opinion mostly by what I see on the floor, supplemented by numbers that confirm it. These are the things I "see" and not based on stats at all. What do I see? Pickett does not do anything even remotely well at the moment. He does not handle the ball well and gives up turnovers. His rebounding for a 6'9 player is absolutely abysmal - this is an area where athletes usually can excel, even if their skills are otherwise limited. On defense, I have seen many, many, plays where he gets absolutely torched. I DVR the games, and have gone back to look at many defensive plays, and he's often not in the right position or doesn't get in front of his defender because he's limited. As far as shooting, he rarely drives and doesn't seem to have the handle to do so. He also takes a ton of three point shots - a ton - and doesn't make a high percentage of them. That's not based on stats or figures, it's based on what I see when I watch the games. Maybe your "feel" is different than mine, but right now, I don't see it. That doesn't mean it's not there - I certainly hope so because it would greatly enhance our team. It's just hard to be encouraged by a freshman who is playing and doing basically nothing well. That isn't to say he won't develop - he certainly might, and I do think he's got potential, but he's a long way. Based on what I see now, Blair looks to me like he will be a better player than Pickett in 3 years. That doesn't mean I will be right, but there are way more guys with "potential" who do not blossom than guys who do. Usually guys with potential at least show some element of that potential as freshman. With Pickett, there's nothing. And if it turns out I am wrong (hopefully I am), I will happily acknowledge it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2018 17:16:33 GMT -5
He's a Freshman... and all of them are equally far from that level... In other words none of these kids are doing anything at a solid BE level but all things equal a 6'9 with guard skills is harder to guard than a 6'3 with guard skills. This is why I say you're so encompassed by numbers you fail to look at the game from a feel standpoint. Of course Blair is better at not turning the ball over as much. He's always played on the perimeter, Morko has not, but he's loose with the ball also despite that because he's a frosh also. Their shooting numbers are basically identical. If the difference is on the margins and as a coach you know you're building something for the future vs right now, you give the minutes to the superior talent. This move isn't really about this year obviously. As you pointed out both are playing, just Pickett is getting a smidge more. Who do you think in 3 years will be the better player? That's what this is about, not winning one or 2 extra games in a season you know as a HC is going nowhere. This really has nothing to do with being "so encompassed by numbers you fail to look at the game from a feel standpoint." Sure, the numbers are pretty bad, but I am basing my opinion mostly by what I see on the floor, supplemented by numbers that confirm it. These are the things I "see" and not based on stats at all. What do I see? Pickett does not do anything even remotely well at the moment. He does not handle the ball well and gives up turnovers. His rebounding for a 6'9 player is absolutely abysmal - this is an area where athletes usually can excel, even if their skills are otherwise limited. On defense, I have seen many, many, plays where he gets absolutely torched. I DVR the games, and have gone back to look at many defensive plays, and he's often not in the right position or doesn't get in front of his defender because he's limited. As far as shooting, he rarely drives and doesn't seem to have the handle to do so. He also takes a ton of three point shots - a ton - and doesn't make a high percentage of them. That's not based on stats or figures, it's based on what I see when I watch the games. Maybe your "feel" is different than mine, but right now, I don't see it. That doesn't mean it's not there - I certainly hope so because it would greatly enhance our team. It's just hard to be encouraged by a freshman who is playing and doing basically nothing well. That isn't to say he won't develop - he certainly might, and I do think he's got potential, but he's a long way. Based on what I see now, Blair looks to me like he will be a better player than Pickett in 3 years. That doesn't mean I will be right, but there are way more guys with "potential" who do not blossom than guys who do. Usually guys with potential at least show some element of that potential as freshman. With Pickett, there's nothing. If Blair is a better player in 3 years that's probably bad news for us.... You keep using his shooting percentage and volume as a reason to play a player with similar volume and a worse percentage from 3. Almost everything you wrote above critical of Pickett could be said about the player (Blair) you are advocating for. Am I lying? Both of these kids are shooting about 34% for the field right now. Difference is one is playing his natural position one is not. He handles the ball and operates on the perimeter better than average for a kid his size and much better than you're giving him credit for. There's not too many kids his height being put in that role and being asked to operate and guard in space on the perimeter consistently. I think both have played fine, they both look like Freshman, but they've played fine all things considered. I think 20 min for Blair and 26 for Morko is totally fair and if we're going to be good eventually we need a guy like Picket to really progress.. Ultimately all three guys have a role and should play. If you're going to steal minutes, I'd do it from the PG position..
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