Trey Mourning

[EtomicB]

Apr 18, 2018 10:48:18 GMT -5 professorhoya said:

Apr 18, 2018 10:06:36 GMT -5 saxagael said:

Sodom played a decent amount of minutes as backup to Govan until discipline problem got him booted from the team. Walker showed why he wasn't getting minutes looking lost on defense and offense for most of the season, but showed he could fill as a rebounder for a few when Derrickson was out.

Blair (as said in response just above) played plenty and Pickett was a starter. I think being a freshman has nothing to do with playing time. Not being ready to play or getting kicked off the team seems to have a lot to do with not playing as a freshman.

Walker lacked strength last year for a PF and is actually better at small forward. He was basically played out of position to accomodate Pickett and Kaleb.
If you watched Kenner you saw him dominate all facets of the game (points, rebounds, blocks, 3pters, dunks) when he was played at his best position.

I think he will be stronger and bigger to be able to play PF but we will see.

Your premise was that PE doesn't play freshman whether it was due to desperation or not doesn't prove your premise correct..

The fact that Blair played from game 1 tells me that 3 wasn't playing him out of desperation..

[professorhoya]

Apr 18, 2018 11:21:41 GMT -5 EtomicB said:

Apr 18, 2018 10:48:18 GMT -5 professorhoya said:

Walker lacked strength last year for a PF and is actually better at small forward. He was basically played out of position to accomodate Pickett and Kaleb.
If you watched Kenner you saw him dominate all facets of the game (points, rebounds, blocks, 3pters, dunks) when he was played at his best position.

I think he will be stronger and bigger to be able to play PF but we will see.

Your premise was that PE doesn't play freshman whether it was due to desperation or not doesn't prove your premise correct..

The fact that Blair played from game 1 tells me that 3 wasn't playing him out of desperation..

Ewing not 3.

And even from game 1 I think he already saw that Dickerson, Mosley and mulmore weren't honing to cut it as effective scorers in the bAckcourt.

[EtomicB]

Apr 18, 2018 11:28:38 GMT -5 professorhoya said:

Apr 18, 2018 11:21:41 GMT -5 EtomicB said:

Your premise was that PE doesn't play freshman whether it was due to desperation or not doesn't prove your premise correct..

The fact that Blair played from game 1 tells me that 3 wasn't playing him out of desperation..

Ewing not 3.

And even from game 1 I think he already saw that Dickerson, Mosley and mulmore weren't honing to cut it as effective scorers in the bAckcourt.

PE of course, my bad..

Agree to disagree..

[hoyasaxa2003]

Apr 18, 2018 11:01:47 GMT -5 the_way said:

I think people are holding out hope due to his legacy, which is understandable. He is a good kid, and loves the program. We all would like to see him do well, as with all of our Hoyas.

Hopefully, he has a Henry Sims like senior year. Or maybe a Bradley Hayes like, late development.

This is it. If his name wasn't Mourning, I doubt HoyaTalk would be giving him even remotely close to this level of consideration. As you said, he seems like a good kid, I know he's been on the Big East Academic honor roll at least once, so it would be great if he can contribute this season.

The timing of his transfer announcement just before JT3 got fired was a little weird, but we have no idea what the backstory is to that whole episode.

[justsaying]

Apr 18, 2018 11:42:03 GMT -5 hoyasaxa2003 said:

Apr 18, 2018 11:01:47 GMT -5 the_way said:

I think people are holding out hope due to his legacy, which is understandable. He is a good kid, and loves the program. We all would like to see him do well, as with all of our Hoyas.

Hopefully, he has a Henry Sims like senior year. Or maybe a Bradley Hayes like, late development.

This is it. If his name wasn't Mourning, I doubt HoyaTalk would be giving him even remotely close to this level of consideration. As you said, he seems like a good kid, I know he's been on the Big East Academic honor roll at least once, so it would be great if he can contribute this season.

The timing of his transfer announcement just before JT3 got fired was a little weird, but we have no idea what the backstory is to that whole episode.

I respectfully disagree; even without the name this young man is better than given credit. Is he a center, no he is not. He is what the modern game today has evolved into is that he is more of a stretch 4 type. What has been lacking from that equation in the past is his body maturity (physical strength). When he body maturity catches up ( and I do not know when ) then he will be just fine. If you of the mind that we need that to happen now then all I can say is that only this fall will tell.

And what I mean by fine is that he can be an important contributor to the team if that physical maturity starts to blossom.

[EtomicB]

Apr 18, 2018 11:42:03 GMT -5 hoyasaxa2003 said:

Apr 18, 2018 11:01:47 GMT -5 the_way said:

I think people are holding out hope due to his legacy, which is understandable. He is a good kid, and loves the program. We all would like to see him do well, as with all of our Hoyas.

Hopefully, he has a Henry Sims like senior year. Or maybe a Bradley Hayes like, late development.

This is it. If his name wasn't Mourning, I doubt HoyaTalk would be giving him even remotely close to this level of consideration. As you said, he seems like a good kid, I know he's been on the Big East Academic honor roll at least once, so it would be great if he can contribute this season.

The timing of his transfer announcement just before JT3 got fired was a little weird, but we have no idea what the backstory is to that whole episode.

I think folks wonder because Gtown has stunk for the last 3 years, don't think it has to do with who his father is..

Plus my reading on the main Rivals page that Billy Donavan really liked him & legitimately recruited him tells me something might have been there

You have to wonder a little why JT3 didn't give him some more run after the game I posted about above..

[justsaying]

Apr 18, 2018 12:14:05 GMT -5 EtomicB said:

Apr 18, 2018 11:42:03 GMT -5 hoyasaxa2003 said:

This is it. If his name wasn't Mourning, I doubt HoyaTalk would be giving him even remotely close to this level of consideration. As you said, he seems like a good kid, I know he's been on the Big East Academic honor roll at least once, so it would be great if he can contribute this season.

The timing of his transfer announcement just before JT3 got fired was a little weird, but we have no idea what the backstory is to that whole episode.

I think folks wonder because Gtown has stunk for the last 3 years, don't think it has to do with who his father is..

Plus my reading on the main Rivals page that Billy Donavan really liked him & legitimately recruited him tells me something might have been there

You have to wonder a little why JT3 didn't give him some more run after the game I posted about above..

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[the_way]

Ben Gillery had one good game too.

III had his faults, but he at least played the right amount of minutes for guys for the most part.

Hopefully Mourning has a breakout year this year and can contribute more on the court.

[95hoya]

Billy Donovan offered him as a walk on.

[EtomicB]

Apr 18, 2018 12:29:52 GMT -5 the_way said:

Ben Gillery had one good game too.

III had his faults, but he at least played the right amount of minutes for guys for the most part.

Hopefully Mourning has a breakout year this year and can contribute more on the court.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Gillery play consistent minutes in his career?

[the_way]

Apr 18, 2018 12:45:22 GMT -5 EtomicB said:

Apr 18, 2018 12:29:52 GMT -5 the_way said:

Ben Gillery had one good game too.

III had his faults, but he at least played the right amount of minutes for guys for the most part.

Hopefully Mourning has a breakout year this year and can contribute more on the court.

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Gillett play consistent minutes on his career?

Consistent minute. (no joking)

Jump-ball and that was about it.

Old thread:

hoyatalk2.proboards.com/thread/3165/ben-gillery-legend

[Elvado]

Apr 18, 2018 12:50:48 GMT -5 the_way said:

Apr 18, 2018 12:45:22 GMT -5 EtomicB said:

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Gillett play consistent minutes on his career?

Consistent minute. (no joking)

Jump-ball and that was about it.

Old thread:

hoyatalk2.proboards.com/thread/3165/ben-gillery-legend

Except for his one shining moment against Magoo. Like so many Hoyas, he had a great moment against an overrated Cuse big man.

[EtomicB]

Apr 18, 2018 12:50:48 GMT -5 the_way said:

Apr 18, 2018 12:45:22 GMT -5 EtomicB said:

Correct me if I'm wrong but didn't Gillett play consistent minutes on his career?

Consistent minute. (no joking)

Jump-ball and that was about it.

Old thread:

hoyatalk2.proboards.com/thread/3165/ben-gillery-legend

Says here he averaged 8 minutes per game but in fairness to him those were some good teams he was on..

The same can't be said for Mourning..

[the_way]

Mourning played with better big men/inside players than Gillery. Highsmith, Edwards,etc. would not have started in front of Marcus/Govan.

There was a long gap in talent up front after Ewing until Zo Mourning arrived. All of the talent were in the guards and wings. There was a reason why 6'4" Perry McDonald played power forward for us. He did it well too.

Ben didn't play a lot despite there being minutes available. He could only contribute but so much. He had the height and length for jump balls, and that is how JT2 used him. Gillery's "backups" were journey men type players.

There were minutes for Tre to play during his time here. Just didn't happen. III didn't hold him back.

Maybe Ewing can get something out of him next year.

[saxagael]

Apr 18, 2018 10:48:18 GMT -5 professorhoya said:

Apr 18, 2018 10:06:36 GMT -5 saxagael said:

Sodom played a decent amount of minutes as backup to Govan until discipline problem got him booted from the team. Walker showed why he wasn't getting minutes looking lost on defense and offense for most of the season, but showed he could fill as a rebounder for a few when Derrickson was out.

Blair (as said in response just above) played plenty and Pickett was a starter. I think being a freshman has nothing to do with playing time. Not being ready to play or getting kicked off the team seems to have a lot to do with not playing as a freshman.

Walker lacked strength last year for a PF and is actually better at small forward. He was basically played out of position to accomodate Pickett and Kaleb.
If you watched Kenner you saw him dominate all facets of the game (points, rebounds, blocks, 3pters, dunks) when he was played at his best position.

I think he will be stronger and bigger to be able to play PF but we will see.

Walker seemed to have been another that proved what is seen at Kenner doesn't translate to league play. He looked really good at Kenner and, like many, I was really excited for what he would bring. What was seen at Kenner seems to have stayed at Kenner.

Walker was in at wing when Derrickson was in and Govan sat and he seemed really lost then even though wing is where his Kenner skills showed up as solid. The last couple games when Walker looked good (mostly rebounding and put back attempts) he was working with Govan and playing more of a big role. I would have thought Walker would have done really well in a 1 ball handler, 3 wings, and a big type set, which Villanova lives on and many in the BE. In Kenner he looked like a much more athletic and long Derrickson (outside shooting, rebounding, but also able to drive). What Walker brought to the court during the season wasn't that, he just looked incredibly lost and no idea what he should be doing (other than the last couple games).

This next year when Govan is in there is going to be a need for help defense and big support on the defensive side. When Govan is out there needs to be somebody to fill that role Derrickson held, where there was a good middle defender (Derrickson was a much better middle defender than Govan). Walker may be in that role, but there really isn't anybody who could fill it.

Mourning is a bit undersized for that middle role too, but may be able to step up to fill it, even though it hasn't been a shown strength.

[saxagael]

Apr 18, 2018 12:14:05 GMT -5 EtomicB said:

Apr 18, 2018 11:42:03 GMT -5 hoyasaxa2003 said:

This is it. If his name wasn't Mourning, I doubt HoyaTalk would be giving him even remotely close to this level of consideration. As you said, he seems like a good kid, I know he's been on the Big East Academic honor roll at least once, so it would be great if he can contribute this season.

The timing of his transfer announcement just before JT3 got fired was a little weird, but we have no idea what the backstory is to that whole episode.

I think folks wonder because Gtown has stunk for the last 3 years, don't think it has to do with who his father is..

Plus my reading on the main Rivals page that Billy Donavan really liked him & legitimately recruited him tells me something might have been there

You have to wonder a little why JT3 didn't give him some more run after the game I posted about above..

In the back of my mind I remember an injury with Mourning after the Maui games, that and foul issues. If I remember right Paul White picked up the minutes following Maui and Mourning drifted back in the rotation. I may be really fuzzy and off on this.

[95hoya]

Mourning isn't going to change the trajectory of our program or next season. So I don't spend much time worrying about a guy who hasn't shown much in 5 years. Play the young guy.

[EtomicB]

Apr 18, 2018 13:19:48 GMT -5 the_way said:

Mourning played with better big men/inside players than Gillery. Highsmith, Edwards,etc. would not have started in front of Marcus/Govan.

There was a long gap in talent up front after Ewing until Zo Mourning arrived. All of the talent were in the guards and wings. There was a reason why 6'4" Perry McDonald played power forward for us. He did it well too.

Ben didn't play a lot despite there being minutes available. He could only contribute but so much. He had the height and length for jump balls, and that is how JT2 used him. Gillery's "backups" were journey men type players.

There were minutes for Tre to play during his time here. Just didn't happen. III didn't hold him back.

Maybe Ewing can get something out of him next year.

Neither Marcus or Govan would have played on that 86-87 team, the folks who played on that team were that good..


There wasn't any more time for Gillery or Edwards on that team that won the Big East..

I remember those teams well, they may not have had useful size but they were very tough to play against..

If there were minutes to be had as you stated but he wasn't given a chance to play how is that not holding the kid back in some respect?

I'm not saying he'd be some superstar but to me if a program that's losing has its fans asking questions about a player who never played then the ball has been dropped somewhere along the lines..

[the_way]

Apr 18, 2018 14:02:55 GMT -5 EtomicB said:

Apr 18, 2018 13:19:48 GMT -5 the_way said:

Mourning played with better big men/inside players than Gillery. Highsmith, Edwards,etc. would not have started in front of Marcus/Govan.

There was a long gap in talent up front after Ewing until Zo Mourning arrived. All of the talent were in the guards and wings. There was a reason why 6'4" Perry McDonald played power forward for us. He did it well too.

Ben didn't play a lot despite there being minutes available. He could only contribute but so much. He had the height and length for jump balls, and that is how JT2 used him. Gillery's "backups" were journey men type players.

There were minutes for Tre to play during his time here. Just didn't happen. III didn't hold him back.

Maybe Ewing can get something out of him next year.

Neither Marcus or Govan would have played on that 86-87 team, the folks who played on that team were that good..


There wasn't any more time for Gillery or Edwards on that team that won the Big East..

I remember those teams well, they may not have had useful size but they were very tough to play against..

If there were minutes to be had as you stated but he wasn't given a chance to play how is that not holding the kid back in some respect?

I'm not saying he'd be some superstar but to me if a program that's losing has its fans asking questions about a player who never played then the ball has been dropped somewhere along the lines..

Th 86-87 team was Reggie and the Miracles. Marcus and Govan would not have played? Gillery played, but they wouldn't have played? The likes of Gillery, Edwards, Highsmith, etc. would have taken all of their minutes in the front court. Marcus couldn't come in and spell the shorter McDonald at the 4 spot? Govan couldn't outplay Highsmith for minutes as "backups" to Gillery? You remember those teams, well. Yeah, okay. Carry on.

I guess III dropped the ball with Muersan too.

[hoyasaxa2003]

Apr 18, 2018 12:06:00 GMT -5 justsaying said:

I respectfully disagree; even without the name this young man is better than given credit. Is he a center, no he is not. He is what the modern game today has evolved into is that he is more of a stretch 4 type. What has been lacking from that equation in the past is his body maturity (physical strength). When he body maturity catches up ( and I do not know when ) then he will be just fine. If you of the mind that we need that to happen now then all I can say is that only this fall will tell.

And what I mean by fine is that he can be an important contributor to the team if that physical maturity starts to blossom.

I'll acknowledge we haven't seen much of Mourning, and it's been 1+ years since he's even been active on the roster, so it's hard to say what Mourning will bring. A good example is Benimon who wasn't very good at Georgetown, but thrived after transfer (though I think some of that was easier competition; but regardless, he clearly improved). So maybe Mourning will benefit from sitting.

I think what demonstrates how people do consider his legacy is that many consider him a center or reference him playing that position (not saying you do, but others in this thread have mentioned him backing up Govan, etc.). There is nothing about his makeup that says "Center" aside from the fact that his father played there. To clarify, I am not invoking the legacy thing as a way to be negative - it doesn't really matter to me either way, I just think he should be treated like everybody else. If the kid can play, he should play, if not, he should get limited minutes.

For whatever reason, Mourning simply wasn't highly recruited, and largely looked at as a walk-on. This may have been his choice, which is fine, but the only schools I remember being mentioned aside from Georgetown were Florida and Duke. Both are good programs, but does anybody seriously think Mourning would have gotten significant run at Duke, for example? Coach K is notorious for smaller rotations, and Mourning likely would have been on the wrong side of that equation.

As I've said, the kid could be fantastic, and I hope he is. He certainly has good resources available to work on his game, so it wouldn't surprise me at all if he makes a jump from what he did a few seasons ago.