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Post by FromTheBeginning on Apr 17, 2018 15:25:02 GMT -5
Still the possibility he could grad transfer somewhere he could get major minutes.
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 17, 2018 15:37:04 GMT -5
Not saying those of us who saw something in Trey are right, but to assume III was always correct in his assessments is folly. Clearly, JT3 had some major assessment errors, such as Domingo, Cameron, and others. It's ultimately a significant reason why he got fired. So I am not making any assumptions. In fact, JT3 actually played some of his players A LOT who were not really up to a Big East level, such as Cameron. To me, it just doesn't make sense that he would have played a guy like Cameron who didn't play well, despite ample opportunity, but nailed Mourning to the bench if there was any chance he could have helped. But hey, a Trey Mourning that can help this team would be a great thing, so I hope for the best.
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Post by Bigs"R"Us on Apr 17, 2018 18:10:59 GMT -5
It would have helped if the former coach used a basketball in practice. š
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Post by GIGAFAN99 on Apr 18, 2018 5:40:26 GMT -5
Trey has to be better than the guy in front of him to get minutes. Right now he would seem to be our best option backing up Jessie. That hasn't been the case necessarily in the past. Would Trey have played better than Hayes or Agau? Maybe, but it's probably pretty close and JT just went another way. Not sure he had to completely bury him when the rotation wasn't exactly setting the world on fire, but it's defensible for him to be 3rd on the depth chart at C or PF in those cases.
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 18, 2018 5:56:59 GMT -5
Trey has to be better than the guy in front of him to get minutes. Right now he would seem to be our best option backing up Jessie. That hasn't been the case necessarily in the past. Would Trey have played better than Hayes or Agau? Maybe, but it's probably pretty close and JT just went another way. Not sure he had to completely bury him when the rotation wasn't exactly setting the world on fire, but it's defensible for him to be 3rd on the depth chart at C or PF in those cases. Honestly he's too small to play center even as a backup (unless he bulked up big time over the last year. I would like to see him at his natural position which would be power forward to see what he can do.. he was putting up big numbers as a PF before he was shutdown for the season.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 18, 2018 6:12:57 GMT -5
I would love to see Trey get a chance to show his game next season, but it will be hard to get minutes with Walker, Carter and LeBlanc in the mix. Trey has been a great teammate, hope it works out for him.
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 18, 2018 6:24:34 GMT -5
I would love to see Trey get a chance to show his game next season, but it will be hard to get minutes with Walker, Carter and LeBlanc in the mix. Trey has been a great teammate, hope it works out for him. If Derrickson were still here there would have been a complete logjam at the 4 spot. It's the one spot where we have too much depth. Leblanc is what a 6-5 swing so will play the 2-3 Grayson. Carter is 6-8 200 power forward so needs to add size. I see Antwan Walker and Trey getting the majority of the time at PF, especially if Double Yurt7 is eligible.
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Post by calhoya on Apr 18, 2018 7:00:05 GMT -5
To have a logjam at the 4 position potential must translate into production. Walker gained very little experience this year and struggled on defense, LeBlanc is a freshman who missed the majority of his senior season,is a little undersized and needs to develop his offensive game, and from limited highlights available it seems that Carter will need more time and bulk to be able to contribute in a major way. Add a mature but inexperienced Trey into the mix and there are a lot of bodies at the 4 but also a lot of question marks.
The loss of MD is a major blow to this team for next year, even if it accelerates the development of some younger players and benefits the program longer term. He could rebound, shoot and was one of the few players with the temperament to handle the big moments at the end of games.
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Post by prhoya on Apr 18, 2018 7:06:08 GMT -5
I would love to see Trey get a chance to show his game next season, but it will be hard to get minutes with Walker, Carter and LeBlanc in the mix. Trey has been a great teammate, hope it works out for him. If Derrickson were still here there would have been a complete logjam at the 4 spot. It's the one spot where we have too much depth. Leblanc is what a 6-5 swing so will play the 2-3 Grayson. Carter is 6-8 200 power forward so needs to add size. Josh is 6ā7ā
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Post by 95hoya on Apr 18, 2018 8:08:33 GMT -5
I don't know why there is so much fascination for a guy who has basically been a walk on for 4 years and hasn't shown anything to indicate he can be an important piece on the roster. There are a lot of things I wonder about the Hoyas, wehether or not Mourning was going to play or return or whatever never crossed my mind.
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Post by smokeyjack on Apr 18, 2018 8:25:24 GMT -5
I don't know why there is so much fascination for a guy who has basically been a walk on for 4 years and hasn't shown anything to indicate he can be an important piece on the roster. There are a lot of things I wonder about the Hoyas, wehether or not Mourning was going to play or return or whatever never crossed my mind. Ding...ding...ding! Winner. Iām sure heās a nice kid, but heās never shown a whiff of ability on a slew of lousy teams. And while you can fairly hang a lot of shortcomings on JT3, not playing Trey more certainly doesnāt seem like a legit one. If he could play at all, he would have played. He couldnāt. He canāt. He wonāt.
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Post by hoyazeke on Apr 18, 2018 8:40:39 GMT -5
Never shown a whiff of potential? Really? Man you guys are tough. He's shown potential. The problem is he never got enough burn to expand or sink. Trey showed more potential than any big on our roster that hasn't declared for the draft. I believe Trey will start next year. Hopefully beside Jesse.....
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 18, 2018 9:03:57 GMT -5
I don't know why there is so much fascination for a guy who has basically been a walk on for 4 years and hasn't shown anything to indicate he can be an important piece on the roster. There are a lot of things I wonder about the Hoyas, wehether or not Mourning was going to play or return or whatever never crossed my mind. Ding...ding...ding! Winner. Iām sure heās a nice kid, but heās never shown a whiff of ability on a slew of lousy teams. And while you can fairly hang a lot of shortcomings on JT3, not playing Trey more certainly doesnāt seem like a legit one. If he could play at all, he would have played. He couldnāt. He canāt. He wonāt. Mourning did have this game against PC back in 2016.. 10 & 5 in 19 minutes of play.. The play by play shows that he hit a 3 to pull Gtown with in 1 with 1:12 left in the game.. www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/boxscore?gameId=400840268He was rewarded with 3 minutes of play the next game btw.. To me if he couldn't play, then JT3 should have never signed on for him to come to Gtown, Mourning had good offers from other schools.. I get that Zo had a lot to do with it but it was JT3's team..
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 18, 2018 9:16:33 GMT -5
To have a logjam at the 4 position potential must translate into production. Walker gained very little experience this year and struggled on defense, LeBlanc is a freshman who missed the majority of his senior season,is a little undersized and needs to develop his offensive game, and from limited highlights available it seems that Carter will need more time and bulk to be able to contribute in a major way. Add a mature but inexperienced Trey into the mix and there are a lot of bodies at the 4 but also a lot of question marks. The loss of MD is a major blow to this team for next year, even if it accelerates the development of some younger players and benefits the program longer term. He could rebound, shoot and was one of the few players with the temperament to handle the big moments at the end of games. I think Walker will be ready next year. He dominated Kenner and basically didn't get the chance because Derrickson, Kaleb and Pickett hogged all the minutes at the 3 and 4. From what I have seen, Ewing doesn't play freshmen (because they make mistakes) with the exception of a high recruit who was likely guaranteed minutes to flip (Pickett). That seems to be his philosophy. Was applied to Walker and Sodom.
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Post by bigskyhoya on Apr 18, 2018 9:18:26 GMT -5
I don't know why there is so much fascination for a guy who has basically been a walk on for 4 years and hasn't shown anything to indicate he can be an important piece on the roster. There are a lot of things I wonder about the Hoyas, wehether or not Mourning was going to play or return or whatever never crossed my mind. Ding...ding...ding! Winner. Iām sure heās a nice kid, but heās never shown a whiff of ability on a slew of lousy teams. And while you can fairly hang a lot of shortcomings on JT3, not playing Trey more certainly doesnāt seem like a legit one. If he could play at all, he would have played. He couldnāt. He canāt. He wonāt. I was about to express a contrary view but the bell rang!
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 18, 2018 9:37:28 GMT -5
To have a logjam at the 4 position potential must translate into production. Walker gained very little experience this year and struggled on defense, LeBlanc is a freshman who missed the majority of his senior season,is a little undersized and needs to develop his offensive game, and from limited highlights available it seems that Carter will need more time and bulk to be able to contribute in a major way. Add a mature but inexperienced Trey into the mix and there are a lot of bodies at the 4 but also a lot of question marks. The loss of MD is a major blow to this team for next year, even if it accelerates the development of some younger players and benefits the program longer term. He could rebound, shoot and was one of the few players with the temperament to handle the big moments at the end of games. I think Walker will be ready next year. He dominated Kenner and basically didn't get the chance because Derrickson, Kaleb and Pickett hogged all the minutes at the 3 and 4. From what I have seen, Ewing doesn't play freshmen (because they make mistakes) with the exception of a high recruit who was likely guaranteed minutes to flip (Pickett). That seems to be his philosophy. Was applied to Walker and Sodom. What about Blair?
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Post by saxagael on Apr 18, 2018 10:06:36 GMT -5
To have a logjam at the 4 position potential must translate into production. Walker gained very little experience this year and struggled on defense, LeBlanc is a freshman who missed the majority of his senior season,is a little undersized and needs to develop his offensive game, and from limited highlights available it seems that Carter will need more time and bulk to be able to contribute in a major way. Add a mature but inexperienced Trey into the mix and there are a lot of bodies at the 4 but also a lot of question marks. The loss of MD is a major blow to this team for next year, even if it accelerates the development of some younger players and benefits the program longer term. He could rebound, shoot and was one of the few players with the temperament to handle the big moments at the end of games. I think Walker will be ready next year. He dominated Kenner and basically didn't get the chance because Derrickson, Kaleb and Pickett hogged all the minutes at the 3 and 4. From what I have seen, Ewing doesn't play freshmen (because they make mistakes) with the exception of a high recruit who was likely guaranteed minutes to flip (Pickett). That seems to be his philosophy. Was applied to Walker and Sodom. Sodom played a decent amount of minutes as backup to Govan until discipline problem got him booted from the team. Walker showed why he wasn't getting minutes looking lost on defense and offense for most of the season, but showed he could fill as a rebounder for a few when Derrickson was out. Blair (as said in response just above) played plenty and Pickett was a starter. I think being a freshman has nothing to do with playing time. Not being ready to play or getting kicked off the team seems to have a lot to do with not playing as a freshman.
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 18, 2018 10:42:55 GMT -5
I think Walker will be ready next year. He dominated Kenner and basically didn't get the chance because Derrickson, Kaleb and Pickett hogged all the minutes at the 3 and 4. From what I have seen, Ewing doesn't play freshmen (because they make mistakes) with the exception of a high recruit who was likely guaranteed minutes to flip (Pickett). That seems to be his philosophy. Was applied to Walker and Sodom. What about Blair? I think that was just desperation since we had no backcourt guards. Our grad transfer (Trey Dickerson), senior pg (Mulmore) and sophomore combo guard (Mosely) were all subpar and provided no scoring.
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Post by professorhoya on Apr 18, 2018 10:48:18 GMT -5
I think Walker will be ready next year. He dominated Kenner and basically didn't get the chance because Derrickson, Kaleb and Pickett hogged all the minutes at the 3 and 4. From what I have seen, Ewing doesn't play freshmen (because they make mistakes) with the exception of a high recruit who was likely guaranteed minutes to flip (Pickett). That seems to be his philosophy. Was applied to Walker and Sodom. Sodom played a decent amount of minutes as backup to Govan until discipline problem got him booted from the team. Walker showed why he wasn't getting minutes looking lost on defense and offense for most of the season, but showed he could fill as a rebounder for a few when Derrickson was out. Blair (as said in response just above) played plenty and Pickett was a starter. I think being a freshman has nothing to do with playing time. Not being ready to play or getting kicked off the team seems to have a lot to do with not playing as a freshman. Walker lacked strength last year for a PF and is actually better at small forward. He was basically played out of position to accomodate Pickett and Kaleb. If you watched Kenner you saw him dominate all facets of the game (points, rebounds, blocks, 3pters, dunks) when he was played at his best position. I think he will be stronger and bigger to be able to play PF but we will see.
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Post by the_way on Apr 18, 2018 11:01:47 GMT -5
I don't know why there is so much fascination for a guy who has basically been a walk on for 4 years and hasn't shown anything to indicate he can be an important piece on the roster. There are a lot of things I wonder about the Hoyas, wehether or not Mourning was going to play or return or whatever never crossed my mind. Ding...ding...ding! Winner. Iām sure heās a nice kid, but heās never shown a whiff of ability on a slew of lousy teams. And while you can fairly hang a lot of shortcomings on JT3, not playing Trey more certainly doesnāt seem like a legit one. If he could play at all, he would have played. He couldnāt. He canāt. He wonāt. He really hasn't shown much. Don't really recall JT3 whiffing on players that could really play,but he left rotting on the bench. III had trouble evaluating who could play during the recruitment phase, but he usually could identify who could contribute and who couldn't once they were on campus. I think people are holding out hope due to his legacy, which is understandable. He is a good kid, and loves the program. We all would like to see him do well, as with all of our Hoyas. Hopefully, he has a Henry Sims like senior year. Or maybe a Bradley Hayes like, late development.
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