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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Apr 24, 2024 7:47:40 GMT -5
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Post by RockawayHoya on Apr 24, 2024 9:00:18 GMT -5
If Cliff gets the godfather offer that he seeks from somewhere else, good luck to him. Can't begrudge him or any other kid for doing so, especially if they're not a surefire NBA player. That being said, I am curious to see what the final number is vs. our offer. If we got blown out of the water and someone else massively overpaid, I can live with that. If we were haggling over 100-200K and had the opportunity to meet in the middle but chose not to, I'd be a little bit more annoyed. Time will tell. Many deals are falling apart over 100-200k. That is a lot of money for a lot of these guys that don't have much and aren't lined up for big paydays in the future. It's crazy to think but some of these guys will make more in college than they will in the pros or whatever job they end up in. Crazy times we are in right now. From the player's perspective, I completely agree with you. 100-200k may end up being a lot of money to a guy like Cliff if the pro route doesn't pan out. And if that's the final gap, I would expect him to go to the highest bidder. It would be foolish for him not to. Hearing that the gap between our offer and his demand was a bit larger than that, but who knows... maybe no one else is willing to meet his number either. My comment was more geared towards expressing hypothetical annoyance at the program, which hasn't been substantiated (yet). I would hope they don't let what is roughly 2-5% of our alleged budget dictate the difference between getting IMO a top-flight 5 that gives us a great chance to get over the NCAA hump vs. settling for backup options that may force us to play Sorber significant minutes out of the gate and hope that he's further along than most freshman. Especially coming off of a lost year like we just had.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 24, 2024 11:46:58 GMT -5
Many deals are falling apart over 100-200k. That is a lot of money for a lot of these guys that don't have much and aren't lined up for big paydays in the future. It's crazy to think but some of these guys will make more in college than they will in the pros or whatever job they end up in. Crazy times we are in right now. From the player's perspective, I completely agree with you. 100-200k may end up being a lot of money to a guy like Cliff if the pro route doesn't pan out. And if that's the final gap, I would expect him to go to the highest bidder. It would be foolish for him not to. Hearing that the gap between our offer and his demand was a bit larger than that, but who knows... maybe no one else is willing to meet his number either. My comment was more geared towards expressing hypothetical annoyance at the program, which hasn't been substantiated (yet). I would hope they don't let what is roughly 2-5% of our alleged budget dictate the difference between getting IMO a top-flight 5 that gives us a great chance to get over the NCAA hump vs. settling for backup options that may force us to play Sorber significant minutes out of the gate and hope that he's further along than most freshman. Especially coming off of a lost year like we just had. On the other hand, if his offers start to close down -- for example, if Georgetown and others go another route and suddenly it's just one major bidder, he could lose quite a bit, too. I suspect a lot of these kids do not have effective representation to begin with, and then factor in a completely new and unknown market, and more than one of these kids is going to find their $1M offer become $.5M or disappear completely if they let it linger too long. The flip is it could become a bidding war ... but once the portal locks and the NIL of the players staying is effectively locked ... it'll be interesting to see which way the market goes. Does Cliff become wildly in demand due to scarcity and a lot of unspent money? Or does the lack of bidders make the floor fall out?
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Post by HoyasAreHungry on Apr 24, 2024 12:06:36 GMT -5
If Cliff gets the godfather offer that he seeks from somewhere else, good luck to him. Can't begrudge him or any other kid for doing so, especially if they're not a surefire NBA player. That being said, I am curious to see what the final number is vs. our offer. If we got blown out of the water and someone else massively overpaid, I can live with that. If we were haggling over 100-200K and had the opportunity to meet in the middle but chose not to, I'd be a little bit more annoyed. Time will tell. Many deals are falling apart over 100-200k. That is a lot of money for a lot of these guys that don't have much and aren't lined up for big paydays in the future. It's crazy to think but some of these guys will make more in college than they will in the pros or whatever job they end up in. Crazy times we are in right now. On the other hand I'd rather EC stick to his number and not be known to bend and overspend on a player just because. Otherwise where does it end? This is objectively bat S crazy and the numbers that are being offered/thrown around is absurd. I'm glad to hear there's a huge number out there and seemingly the stance is you're either in or you're out. I would be shocked if he got what he's asking for elsewhere, but I guess I shouldn't be surprised by any of it anymore. This is not a Dickinson situation from last year where you waited on him to do anything else. It's pretty clear Ed learned from that last year and is going hard at other bigs still. You all that are worried about a sustainable program, you want kids that want to be here not *just because they threw a couple hundred more at them. Yeah the money is a big factor, but refusing to be finessed in this process is nothing but good in my opinion.
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Post by suicideslushpuppie on Apr 24, 2024 12:29:45 GMT -5
The thing is that with guys like this a lot of times you have to be willing to overpay in order to win the bidding war. If you're not willing to pay, someone else is. I have no doubt that Bama or UNC or another top school who is looking to keep elite status will pay him what he wants. Let them. Not sure so sure I agree with that mentality. If you want to be an elite team, you have to be willing to pay elite $. Unfortunately that's the name of the game now.
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Post by RockawayHoya on Apr 24, 2024 12:33:22 GMT -5
From the player's perspective, I completely agree with you. 100-200k may end up being a lot of money to a guy like Cliff if the pro route doesn't pan out. And if that's the final gap, I would expect him to go to the highest bidder. It would be foolish for him not to. Hearing that the gap between our offer and his demand was a bit larger than that, but who knows... maybe no one else is willing to meet his number either. My comment was more geared towards expressing hypothetical annoyance at the program, which hasn't been substantiated (yet). I would hope they don't let what is roughly 2-5% of our alleged budget dictate the difference between getting IMO a top-flight 5 that gives us a great chance to get over the NCAA hump vs. settling for backup options that may force us to play Sorber significant minutes out of the gate and hope that he's further along than most freshman. Especially coming off of a lost year like we just had. On the other hand, if his offers start to close down -- for example, if Georgetown and others go another route and suddenly it's just one major bidder, he could lose quite a bit, too. I suspect a lot of these kids do not have effective representation to begin with, and then factor in a completely new and unknown market, and more than one of these kids is going to find their $1M offer become $.5M or disappear completely if they let it linger too long. The flip is it could become a bidding war ... but once the portal locks and the NIL of the players staying is effectively locked ... it'll be interesting to see which way the market goes. Does Cliff become wildly in demand due to scarcity and a lot of unspent money? Or does the lack of bidders make the floor fall out? Absolutely. Cliff could definitely Dennis Schroder himself if his view of his own worth is terribly inflated. Teams that aren't willing to wait are probably going to throw unwarranted "mid-level" dollars at Plan B options like we did with Ish last year and effectively take themselves out of the running budget-wise by not being willing to wait. But, if you're one of those teams that is willing to take the risk and wait at the risk of being left with nothing (or even Plan C options), maybe you land him at a lower number. But unlike most pro leagues, there's no cap. There's nothing to stop one overzealous booster, one coach who leans on his collective, etc. to blow your number out of the water. It could definitely go either way.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 24, 2024 13:49:57 GMT -5
Not sure so sure I agree with that mentality. If you want to be an elite team, you have to be willing to pay elite $. Unfortunately that's the name of the game now. You have to spend the money you have to get the most value you can for it. The budget may be large compared to most, but it's still a budget, and spending sets expectations for others and future years.
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Post by hoyarooter on Apr 24, 2024 19:23:18 GMT -5
I'm surprised that no one has posted on this thread yet that Supreme is out (although I imagine I'll find that elsewhere). Sorry to see him go, even though I expected his role to be much more limited next year.
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Post by saxagael on Apr 24, 2024 20:02:44 GMT -5
I'm surprised that no one has posted on this thread yet that Supreme is out (although I imagine I'll find that elsewhere). Sorry to see him go, even though I expected his role to be much more limited next year. This is Transfers in the Recruiting section, so I don't think Cook mentions would be here.
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Post by hoyaboya on Apr 25, 2024 8:37:15 GMT -5
"College basketball transfer portal's best-available prospects as spring window deadline nears Which top college basketball transfer portal prospects are still available?... 4. CLIFFORD OMORUYI, RUTGERS Transfer Portal Ranking: 4-star | 96 rating | No. 3 C | No. 8 overall Rutgers big man Clifford Omoruyi is still available despite early expectations that his transfer recruitment would move quickly. St. John's initially jumped out as the favorite, but now a list of high-major programs are now in the mix. Omoruyi spent four seasons at Rutgers and will use his additional year of eligibility elsewhere in 2024-25. The 6-foot-11, 240-pound center averaged double-digit scoring in each of his final three seasons with the Scarlet Knights, including 10.4 points, 8.3 rebounds and 2.9 blocks per game (third-most in Division I) during the 2023-24 campaign." 247sports.com/longformarticle/college-basketball-transfer-portals-best-available-prospects-as-spring-window-deadline-nears-230963248/#2412429
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Apr 25, 2024 12:15:18 GMT -5
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Post by Lethal_Interjection on Apr 25, 2024 15:13:10 GMT -5
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 25, 2024 16:01:38 GMT -5
I thought they had one of the biggest NIL pots?
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Post by SSHoya on Apr 25, 2024 16:03:14 GMT -5
Slightly off topic but I am surprised Larranaga at age 74 wants to stick around for the new world of NIL CBB unless he's just in it for the money. The winningest coach in program history and a recent UM Sports Hall of Fame & Museum inductee, Larrañaga received one additional year on his deal, now taking it through the 2026-27 campaign. “I am excited to announce Jim's contract extension through the 2026-27 season,” Radakovich said.
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Post by hoyarooter on Apr 25, 2024 19:17:15 GMT -5
Slightly off topic but I am surprised Larranaga at age 74 wants to stick around for the new world of NIL CBB unless he's just in it for the money. The winningest coach in program history and a recent UM Sports Hall of Fame & Museum inductee, Larrañaga received one additional year on his deal, now taking it through the 2026-27 campaign. “I am excited to announce Jim's contract extension through the 2026-27 season,” Radakovich said. He had back to back great years followed by a disaster. Maybe he just doesn't want to go out that way,, but it looks like they have a major rebuild in front of them. Where have I seen that before?
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Post by hoyanewyorka on Apr 26, 2024 13:04:40 GMT -5
I like: PG Mack CG Hoggard CG Peavy F McKenna C Fielder/Sorber
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Post by playtyler on Apr 26, 2024 13:59:54 GMT -5
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Post by SSHoya on Apr 26, 2024 18:30:10 GMT -5
UNC is taking the next step in its offseason goal of shoring up the center position for the 2024-25 season. Rutgers transfer Clifford Omoruyi has scheduled a visit to Chapel Hill tentatively set for May 2, sources confirmed to Inside Carolina on Friday. The Tar Heel staff has been evaluating many post options in the transfer portal since its season ended. www.tarheeltimes.com/article150836.aspx
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Post by hsaxon on Apr 27, 2024 20:46:05 GMT -5
I'm surprised that no one has posted on this thread yet that Supreme is out (although I imagine I'll find that elsewhere). Sorry to see him go, even though I expected his role to be much more limited next year. Excellent point. I agree and am sorry to see him go.
This puts the pressure on EC to find a big man.
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Post by hsaxon on Apr 27, 2024 20:48:59 GMT -5
Slightly off topic but I am surprised Larranaga at age 74 wants to stick around for the new world of NIL CBB unless he's just in it for the money. The winningest coach in program history and a recent UM Sports Hall of Fame & Museum inductee, Larrañaga received one additional year on his deal, now taking it through the 2026-27 campaign. “I am excited to announce Jim's contract extension through the 2026-27 season,” Radakovich said. He had back to back great years followed by a disaster. Maybe he just doesn't want to go out that way,, but it looks like they have a major rebuild in front of them. Where have I seen that before? One way or another, His time is getting short.
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