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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 19, 2024 10:15:01 GMT -5
would love to have stability with this portal stuff so i can selfishly root for the same players on the team i like for at least 2+ years. That ship has sailed. College hoops is now professional basketball, with unlimited free agency and only one-year contracts. The only restriction is a perfunctory academic eligibility requirement - at least until all teams unionize and challenge even that "requirement" as constituting restraint of trade.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Apr 19, 2024 10:21:17 GMT -5
Lots of rumors swirling that he is ours to lose. Let's give him a good visit and lock him down. Mack Epps Peavy Fielder / Sorber Omoruyi Cook, Mulready, Fielder/Sorber off the bench sounds pretty good. Probably need another guard / forward to step up to make us a true big east player Trying to say this without breaking board rules... If Omoruyi comes here and the thought that at times depending on who is on the floor that Sorber and Fielder could play some 5... ...doesn't feel like a ton of minutes for Cook and probably not what he is looking for in his last year of college ball...
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 19, 2024 10:39:34 GMT -5
would love to have stability with this portal stuff so i can selfishly root for the same players on the team i like for at least 2+ years. That ship has sailed. College hoops is now professional basketball, with unlimited free agency and only one-year contracts. The only restriction is a perfunctory academic eligibility requirement - at least until all teams unionize and challenge even that "requirement" as constituting restraint of trade. I can completely see there be an effort to create longer term contracts. I think the current system is going to drive everyone nuts.
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Post by CTHoya08 on Apr 19, 2024 10:45:14 GMT -5
Lots of rumors swirling that he is ours to lose. Let's give him a good visit and lock him down. Mack Epps Peavy Fielder / Sorber Omoruyi Cook, Mulready, Fielder/Sorber off the bench sounds pretty good. Probably need another guard / forward to step up to make us a true big east player Trying to say this without breaking board rules... If Omoruyi comes here and the thought that at times depending on who is on the floor that Sorber and Fielder could play some 5... ...doesn't feel like a ton of minutes for Cook and probably what he is looking for in his last year of college ball... I would certainly think that the bench would look more like "McKenna, Mulready, Fielder/Sorber" than "Cook, Mulready, Fielder/Sorber" . . .
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Post by EtomicB on Apr 19, 2024 10:57:17 GMT -5
That ship has sailed. College hoops is now professional basketball, with unlimited free agency and only one-year contracts. The only restriction is a perfunctory academic eligibility requirement - at least until all teams unionize and challenge even that "requirement" as constituting restraint of trade. I can completely see there be an effort to create longer term contracts. I think the current system is going to drive everyone nuts. Who will the longer contracts be with? Right now the money comes from outside of the Colleges & Universities whose scholarships are one year at a time.
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Post by hoopsmccan on Apr 19, 2024 11:02:59 GMT -5
That ship has sailed. College hoops is now professional basketball, with unlimited free agency and only one-year contracts. The only restriction is a perfunctory academic eligibility requirement - at least until all teams unionize and challenge even that "requirement" as constituting restraint of trade. I can completely see there be an effort to create longer term contracts. I think the current system is going to drive everyone nuts. I think a two-year binding commitment (on both sides) would be doable. If a player wants to leave after a year, they have to sit that next year out. Very limited exceptions (like a head coach leaving). Would have to work through some employment law considerations, but it would give some stability. hm
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 19, 2024 11:03:22 GMT -5
I can completely see there be an effort to create longer term contracts. I think the current system is going to drive everyone nuts. Who will the longer contracts be with? Right now the money comes from outside of the Colleges & Universities whose scholarships are one year at a time. Not sure, though it seems like there's some movement to just move to the Universities paying directly. Even if it were with an NIL organization, you could put in a clause around a buyout instead of trying to enforce staying -- perhaps if a player signs a 4 year, $1.6M deal but wants to leave, they have to pay back 80% of what they've been paid of something. There's always a place where the employer and employee are willing to lock in on certainty. Obviously, certain players would never sign one, but there's a middle spot where I think that, even if you suck, you're set up pretty damn good for retirement as a player and as a coach, you don't have to start from new every year.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 19, 2024 11:05:03 GMT -5
I can completely see there be an effort to create longer term contracts. I think the current system is going to drive everyone nuts. Who will the longer contracts be with? Right now the money comes from outside of the Colleges & Universities whose scholarships are one year at a time. Virginia just passed a law that universities can pay NIL directly. Expect to see other states jump on board.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 19, 2024 11:06:12 GMT -5
I can completely see there be an effort to create longer term contracts. I think the current system is going to drive everyone nuts. I think a two-year binding commitment (on both sides) would be doable. If a player wants to leave after a year, they have to sit that next year out. Very limited exceptions (like a head coach leaving). Would have to work through some employment law considerations, but it would give some stability. hm Right. It'd just have to be contractual instead of rule based, as the NCAA is basically lost in terms of court rulings. I actually think probably the best solution is like soccer, with release clauses. You can exit, but there's a price your new team has to pay. This discourages movement and compensates the school so they can go get a replacement. And it's a nice variable negotiation point for the initial NIL - some players will choose flexibility, and some salary. If we're going to be professional, we should be professional.
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Post by FrazierFanatic on Apr 19, 2024 11:14:28 GMT -5
I think a two-year binding commitment (on both sides) would be doable. If a player wants to leave after a year, they have to sit that next year out. Very limited exceptions (like a head coach leaving). Would have to work through some employment law considerations, but it would give some stability. hm Right. It'd just have to be contractual instead of rule based, as the NCAA is basically lost in terms of court rulings. I actually think probably the best solution is like soccer, with release clauses. You can exit, but there's a price your new team has to pay. This discourages movement and compensates the school so they can go get a replacement. And it's a nice variable negotiation point for the initial NIL - some players will choose flexibility, and some salary. If we're going to be professional, we should be professional. So schools can buy players from other schools? That is the point at which college basketball ceases to exist (not sure it really exists any more as it is).
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Post by SDHoya on Apr 19, 2024 11:15:54 GMT -5
I think a two-year binding commitment (on both sides) would be doable. If a player wants to leave after a year, they have to sit that next year out. Very limited exceptions (like a head coach leaving). Would have to work through some employment law considerations, but it would give some stability. hm Right. It'd just have to be contractual instead of rule based, as the NCAA is basically lost in terms of court rulings. I actually think probably the best solution is like soccer, with release clauses. You can exit, but there's a price your new team has to pay. This discourages movement and compensates the school so they can go get a replacement. And it's a nice variable negotiation point for the initial NIL - some players will choose flexibility, and some salary. If we're going to be professional, we should be professional. But see that’s the hitch—the universities want the money and exposure, but remain reluctant to acknowledge professionalism. So we are left with this nonsensical NIL thing. I suppose the NIL collectives could insert multi year length and early termination terms in their contracts, but those are going to be tricky to enforce as long as the universities remain nothing but third party beneficiaries. I do expect at some point the charade will drop, but until we get there, not sure this gets better.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 19, 2024 11:21:40 GMT -5
Right. It'd just have to be contractual instead of rule based, as the NCAA is basically lost in terms of court rulings. I actually think probably the best solution is like soccer, with release clauses. You can exit, but there's a price your new team has to pay. This discourages movement and compensates the school so they can go get a replacement. And it's a nice variable negotiation point for the initial NIL - some players will choose flexibility, and some salary. If we're going to be professional, we should be professional. So schools can buy players from other schools? That is the point at which college basketball ceases to exist (not sure it really exists any more as it is). You can look at it that way, though like soccer, the player would have to agree. Or you can look at it like the player needs to buy out their contract to leave. And since they probably don't have all the cash, they will some of their compensation from their new school to pay off the buyout. This is similar to soccer, but also business executives and a number of industries. If you have long term contracts without buyouts, you get situations where players are unhappy, where schools can be unreasonable about them leaving, where players simply don't show up, where people are suing each other. Put in the buyout, and it's a disincentive to transfer, but not an absolute block. There's also compensation if someone leaves. You always want an out -- but not too easy a one.
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Post by SFHoya99 on Apr 19, 2024 11:22:32 GMT -5
Right. It'd just have to be contractual instead of rule based, as the NCAA is basically lost in terms of court rulings. I actually think probably the best solution is like soccer, with release clauses. You can exit, but there's a price your new team has to pay. This discourages movement and compensates the school so they can go get a replacement. And it's a nice variable negotiation point for the initial NIL - some players will choose flexibility, and some salary. If we're going to be professional, we should be professional. But see that’s the hitch—the universities want the money and exposure, but remain reluctant to acknowledge professionalism. So we are left with this nonsensical NIL thing. I suppose the NIL collectives could insert multi year length and early termination terms in their contracts, but those are going to be tricky to enforce as long as the universities remain nothing but third party beneficiaries. I do expect at some point the charade will drop, but until we get there, not sure this gets better. This'll be over soon. You can already see attitudes changing. They wanted to stay at arm's length but it's clear it's not going to happen and the coaches are already pushing. I don't think it'll take that long.
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Post by prhoya on Apr 19, 2024 11:26:16 GMT -5
We need a shooter. (ducks)
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Post by suicideslushpuppie on Apr 19, 2024 12:01:25 GMT -5
Lots of rumors swirling that he is ours to lose. Let's give him a good visit and lock him down. Mack Epps Peavy Fielder / Sorber Omoruyi Cook, Mulready, Fielder/Sorber off the bench sounds pretty good. Probably need another guard / forward to step up to make us a true big east player I'm in SEC country and rumors here are that he's Bama's to lose. Unfortunately if he doesn't commit during/following his visit I think Bama will lock him up. We need to make him an offer he can't refuse.
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Post by BeantownHoya on Apr 19, 2024 12:11:42 GMT -5
Lots of rumors swirling that he is ours to lose. Let's give him a good visit and lock him down. Mack Epps Peavy Fielder / Sorber Omoruyi Cook, Mulready, Fielder/Sorber off the bench sounds pretty good. Probably need another guard / forward to step up to make us a true big east player I'm in SEC country and rumors here are that he's Bama's to lose. Unfortunately if he doesn't commit during/following his visit I think Bama will lock him up. We need to make him an offer he can't refuse. If that's the case just hoping Cooley is prepared for that scenario...certainly did not feel like it last year when we didn't land Dickinson...nothing against Cook at all but certainly didn't feel like one of Cooley's top choices at the position...
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Post by hoyasaxa2003 on Apr 19, 2024 12:44:26 GMT -5
I'm in SEC country and rumors here are that he's Bama's to lose. Unfortunately if he doesn't commit during/following his visit I think Bama will lock him up. We need to make him an offer he can't refuse. If that's the case just hoping Cooley is prepared for that scenario...certainly did not feel like it last year when we didn't land Dickinson...nothing against Cook at all but certainly didn't feel like one of Cooley's top choices at the position... If I recall from last year, Dickinson's decision went well into mid-late May. I feel that if he's visiting Georgetown this weekend and Alabama next weekend that we won't have to wait too long. In my mind, landing this commitment would be a big deal and greatly elevate our ceiling for next year. Alabama is always going to have splashier facilities, dorms, etc., so in that sense we likely cannot compete. But, we may be able to compete for NIL. I doubt it has much significance these days, but I would think playing in DC would be more appealing than Tuscaloosa. Of course, that location doesn't hurt their football team at all. So it's probably not very relevant.
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Post by bamahoya11 on Apr 19, 2024 13:00:47 GMT -5
If that's the case just hoping Cooley is prepared for that scenario...certainly did not feel like it last year when we didn't land Dickinson...nothing against Cook at all but certainly didn't feel like one of Cooley's top choices at the position... If I recall from last year, Dickinson's decision went well into mid-late May. I feel that if he's visiting Georgetown this weekend and Alabama next weekend that we won't have to wait too long. In my mind, landing this commitment would be a big deal and greatly elevate our ceiling for next year. Alabama is always going to have splashier facilities, dorms, etc., so in that sense we likely cannot compete. But, we may be able to compete for NIL. I doubt it has much significance these days, but I would think playing in DC would be more appealing than Tuscaloosa. Of course, that location doesn't hurt their football team at all. So it's probably not very relevant. Tuscaloosa is a fun place to play right now. I live down in Alabama. The arena is sold out for pretty much all the SEC games right now. Coleman isn’t a great facility, but it’s rocking. I can never get cheap tickets anymore. As for the perception of where he’s going, I don’t think he’s viewed as an Alabama lock. I checked Roll Bama Roll for football news this morning, and they made mention of him. Noted that he would be a good get but that there will be plenty of competition.
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Post by guru on Apr 19, 2024 13:18:35 GMT -5
If I recall from last year, Dickinson's decision went well into mid-late May. I feel that if he's visiting Georgetown this weekend and Alabama next weekend that we won't have to wait too long. In my mind, landing this commitment would be a big deal and greatly elevate our ceiling for next year. Alabama is always going to have splashier facilities, dorms, etc., so in that sense we likely cannot compete. But, we may be able to compete for NIL. I doubt it has much significance these days, but I would think playing in DC would be more appealing than Tuscaloosa. Of course, that location doesn't hurt their football team at all. So it's probably not very relevant. Tuscaloosa is a fun place to play right now. I live down in Alabama. The arena is sold out for pretty much all the SEC games right now. Coleman isn’t a great facility, but it’s rocking. I can never get cheap tickets anymore. As for the perception of where he’s going, I don’t think he’s viewed as an Alabama lock. I checked Roll Bama Roll for football news this morning, and they made mention of him. Noted that he would be a good get but that there will be plenty of competition. Yeah he’s definitely not a lock to Bama. Not impossible for him to wind up there yet, but recent tea leaves have him trending in a direction that would cause a massive freak out round these parts.
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