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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 7:53:28 GMT -5
Unless we're losing at least 2 bigs from the current roster... no thanks.
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Post by hoyasaxa18 on May 2, 2017 8:07:18 GMT -5
Brase was really good in 2014-15, but he's missed most of the past two seasons with knee injuries. He's talented, but it's hard to say where he's at physically at this point.
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Post by LCPolo18 on May 2, 2017 8:08:31 GMT -5
Unless we're losing at least 2 bigs from the current roster... no thanks. Technically the team is losing Hayes, Peak, Cameron, Pryor, Copeland, and White (if you count him as a loss this season) from the roster, with Walker and Blair coming in. I'm pretty sure that means there is room on the roster for another PF. Based on his stats he seemed to be a pretty useful player when he wasn't injured at Princeton.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 9:13:37 GMT -5
Unless we're losing at least 2 bigs from the current roster... no thanks. Technically the team is losing Hayes, Peak, Cameron, Pryor, Copeland, and White (if you count him as a loss this season) from the roster, with Walker and Blair coming in. I'm pretty sure that means there is room on the roster for another PF. Based on his stats he seemed to be a pretty useful player when he wasn't injured at Princeton. I thought my statement was pretty concise, but here we are... Current roster = '17-'18 roster (http://www.guhoyas.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/gu-m-baskbl-mtt.html) Brase is a 4/5 who likes to shoot -- not particularly well. He was never a great athlete and is now coming off 2 consecutive ACL injuries. Our "current" 4/5s (Govan, Derrickson, Agau, Mourning) and 3/4s (Kaleb, Walker) should be able to play 80 combined minutes at the 4 & 5 spots, with George M. mopping up. Even if we lost one of those four 4/5s to transfer or injury... I'd still rather piece together the PF/C minutes from the remaining 5 guys than bring in a marginal talent just to eat minutes and give us more of what we already have in spades (Bigs who aren't afraid to chuck). More mediocre minutes from our PF & C are what we're trying to pare off the roster, not add to it. If we lost 2 guys, though - my original comment - we would simply need warm bodies. Which I think is about all we could expect this kid to be.
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Post by bigskyhoya on May 2, 2017 9:21:43 GMT -5
To state the obvious, seems we are on a lot of potential transfers, and that the staff is working hard. We should all be encouraged by that, even if some of the targets would not be home runs.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 10:07:44 GMT -5
He didn't play much at Princeton this year but had a petty good efficiency rating. Was injured early in the season and missed most of the year
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Post by prhoya on May 2, 2017 10:31:27 GMT -5
To state the obvious, seems we are on a lot of potential transfers, and that the staff is working hard. We should all be encouraged by that, even if some of the targets would not be home runs. Patrick Ewing: “We need everything right now.” Go get'em, Coach!
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 10:47:08 GMT -5
You could argue this would be our starting 1-3 if they all came aboard for next season. Most likely Jagan would find his way in there at the 2, but... these 3 could easily get between 60-80 minutes combined.
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Post by bostonfan on May 2, 2017 11:23:26 GMT -5
To state the obvious, seems we are on a lot of potential transfers, and that the staff is working hard. We should all be encouraged by that, even if some of the targets would not be home runs. Patrick Ewing: “We need everything right now.” Go get'em, Coach! I don't disagree that we need good players at pretty much every position, but if they are going to sign a 5th year grad player I would hope the player is an impact type player and not a role player. If the grad player is not going to significantly help the team I would prefer bringing in a freshman, or even a transfer who needs to sit out a year before being eligible. While I think the team could be somewhat competitive next year they are not going to show real progress until the following year so bringing in players that can play for multiple years would be preferable over one year guys unless they have an impact like Pryor did last year.
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Post by daytonahoya31 on May 2, 2017 11:29:27 GMT -5
Patrick Ewing: “We need everything right now.” Go get'em, Coach! I don't disagree that we need good players at pretty much every position, but if they are going to sign a 5th year grad player I would hope the player is an impact type player and not a role player. If the grad player is not going to significantly help the team I would prefer bringing in a freshman, or even a transfer who needs to sit out a year before being eligible. While I think the team could be somewhat competitive next year they are not going to show real progress until the following year so bringing in players that can play for multiple years would be preferable over one year guys unless they have an impact like Pryor did last year. We have zero depth, bro.....If that depth comes in the form of a 5th year senior role player, I'm good with that. Not sure why we are complaining about this. The man is trying to put together a roster in May
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Post by LCPolo18 on May 2, 2017 11:46:15 GMT -5
Patrick Ewing: “We need everything right now.” Go get'em, Coach! I don't disagree that we need good players at pretty much every position, but if they are going to sign a 5th year grad player I would hope the player is an impact type player and not a role player. If the grad player is not going to significantly help the team I would prefer bringing in a freshman, or even a transfer who needs to sit out a year before being eligible. While I think the team could be somewhat competitive next year they are not going to show real progress until the following year so bringing in players that can play for multiple years would be preferable over one year guys unless they have an impact like Pryor did last year. There is also something to be said about roster flexibility. Bringing in a grad transfer leaves the scholarship open for 2018 when there are more high school recruits available. So even a grad transfer role player would help for this upcoming season.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 11:59:13 GMT -5
I don't disagree that we need good players at pretty much every position, but if they are going to sign a 5th year grad player I would hope the player is an impact type player and not a role player. If the grad player is not going to significantly help the team I would prefer bringing in a freshman, or even a transfer who needs to sit out a year before being eligible. While I think the team could be somewhat competitive next year they are not going to show real progress until the following year so bringing in players that can play for multiple years would be preferable over one year guys unless they have an impact like Pryor did last year. There is also something to be said about roster flexibility. Bringing in a grad transfer leaves the scholarship open for 2018 when there are more high school recruits available. So even a grad transfer role player would help for this upcoming season. It might work that way. There is also flexibility in leaving that spot open & waiting for late summer or midseason transfers (like White, Copeland, Josh Smith) who are worth sitting on a scholarship for an entire year -- especially when you don't think that 1-year guy will add much. That's how I feel about Brase. If it came down to having 1 scholarship left vs. adding him to complement our only Big East-level roster component (frontcourt scoring) -- I'm keeping the scholarship free.
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Post by LCPolo18 on May 2, 2017 12:01:57 GMT -5
There is also something to be said about roster flexibility. Bringing in a grad transfer leaves the scholarship open for 2018 when there are more high school recruits available. So even a grad transfer role player would help for this upcoming season. It might work that way. There is also flexibility in leaving that spot open & waiting for late summer or midseason transfers (like White, Copeland, Josh Smith) who are worth sitting on a scholarship for an entire year -- especially when you don't think that 1-year guy will add much. That's how I feel about Brase. If it came down to having 1 scholarship left vs. adding him to complement our only Big East-level roster component (frontcourt scoring) -- I'm keeping the scholarship free. I agree with you that I don't mind leaving a scholarship open going into this season. However there are 3 open scholarships currently.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 12:09:39 GMT -5
It might work that way. There is also flexibility in leaving that spot open & waiting for late summer or midseason transfers (like White, Copeland, Josh Smith) who are worth sitting on a scholarship for an entire year -- especially when you don't think that 1-year guy will add much. That's how I feel about Brase. If it came down to having 1 scholarship left vs. adding him to complement our only Big East-level roster component (frontcourt scoring) -- I'm keeping the scholarship free. I agree with you that I don't mind leaving a scholarship open going into this season. However there are 3 open scholarships currently. Sure. But if we get him and then get lucky with both Dickerson and Alstork (or Carter/Waters)... I'd probably wish we had that scholly back. 1/2/3 (and frontcourt defending/rebounding) is such a mess for us right now, I just think signing a guy like this is around 50th on our Big List of Things to Do.
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Post by dreamhoya on May 2, 2017 12:10:18 GMT -5
Technically the team is losing Hayes, Peak, Cameron, Pryor, Copeland, and White (if you count him as a loss this season) from the roster, with Walker and Blair coming in. I'm pretty sure that means there is room on the roster for another PF. Based on his stats he seemed to be a pretty useful player when he wasn't injured at Princeton. I thought my statement was pretty concise, but here we are... Current roster = '17-'18 roster (http://www.guhoyas.com/sports/m-baskbl/mtt/gu-m-baskbl-mtt.html) Brase is a 4/5 who likes to shoot -- not particularly well. He was never a great athlete and is now coming off 2 consecutive ACL injuries. Our "current" 4/5s (Govan, Derrickson, Agau, Mourning) and 3/4s (Kaleb, Walker) should be able to play 80 combined minutes at the 4 & 5 spots, with George M. mopping up. Even if we lost one of those four 4/5s to transfer or injury... I'd still rather piece together the PF/C minutes from the remaining 5 guys than bring in a marginal talent just to eat minutes and give us more of what we already have in spades (Bigs who aren't afraid to chuck). More mediocre minutes from our PF & C are what we're trying to pare off the roster, not add to it. If we lost 2 guys, though - my original comment - we would simply need warm bodies. Which I think is about all we could expect this kid to be. Well....there's the question of Agau...
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Post by LCPolo18 on May 2, 2017 12:53:38 GMT -5
I agree with you that I don't mind leaving a scholarship open going into this season. However there are 3 open scholarships currently. Sure. But if we get him and then get lucky with both Dickerson and Alstork (or Carter/Waters)... I'd probably wish we had that scholly back. 1/2/3 (and frontcourt defending/rebounding) is such a mess for us right now, I just think signing a guy like this is around 50th on our Big List of Things to Do. If the Hoyas got 2 of Dickerson, Alstork, Carter, and Waters, then how Ewing uses the last scholarship will be around 50th on my Big List of things to care about.
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Post by TC on May 2, 2017 13:37:05 GMT -5
Sure. But if we get him and then get lucky with both Dickerson and Alstork (or Carter/Waters)... I'd probably wish we had that scholly back. 1/2/3 (and frontcourt defending/rebounding) is such a mess for us right now, I just think signing a guy like this is around 50th on our Big List of Things to Do. If the Hoyas got 2 of Dickerson, Alstork, Carter, and Waters, then how Ewing uses the last scholarship will be around 50th on my Big List of things to care about. I see what you're saying but sorta disagree. Two of those guys transform the team (Waters and Alstork), immediately start, and would be the focal point, and put us in contention. Even one of Waters/Alstork and Sodom make things exciting. Carter would probably sit behind Kaleb and Walker, maybe compete with Blair for a little bit of time. I don't see him making an impact next year, and who knows what his timeline is - 2017? 2018? Dickerson would be a nice add if no Waters, but does anyone think adding Dickerson and filling another hole makes us a tournament team? I think if you end up signing Carter and Dickerson, it really matters how you spend that third scholarship. If you sign Waters or Alstork or both, definitely spend that third scholarship on depth because you have to roll the dice on competing in 2017-2018.
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Post by Hoyas4Ever on May 2, 2017 13:37:42 GMT -5
Waters, Carter, Sodom!
Gives the roster balance and the ability to grow going forward. Ewing is trying to grow a program. Bringing in a 5th year or multiple 5th year players is not the way to grow and develop a program. Bringing in an all freshman class would allow for continuity and growth. 5th year free agent is more of a stop gap. If Ewing uses all 3 schollys remaining, he would have 4 for 2018 class if no one leaves. Also would allow Ewing to get a better feel for what the program needs after his first season. Nothing is expected next season except for being able to show a direction via style of play that Ewing wants to take the program...JMO
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Post by SDHoya on May 2, 2017 13:48:02 GMT -5
Waters, Carter, Sodom! Gives the roster balance and the ability to grow going forward. Ewing is trying to grow a program. Bringing in a 5th year or multiple 5th year players is not the way to grow and develop a program. Bringing in an all freshman class would allow for continuity and growth. 5th year free agent is more of a stop gap. If Ewing uses all 3 schollys remaining, he would have 4 for 2018 class if no one leaves. Also would allow Ewing to get a better feel for what the program needs after his first season. Nothing is expected next season except for being able to show a direction via style of play that Ewing wants to take the program...JMO Carter is a 2018, so he would not be here in the fall anyways. I think most of us would prefer a stud class of frosh who would grow into the team, but it would seem to me that the focus on grad transfers is a recognition that those ideal players may not all come here, but Ewing still needs to put something resembling a competitive team out there for the 2017-18 season. If that means bringing in a couple rental players, then so be it. Then make sure that 2018 is a solid, well balanced class that truly begins the Ewing era. EDIT--looking at Carter recruiting thread, who the hell knows what class he is in.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 14:15:58 GMT -5
Sean Rooks son averaged 5 and 5...
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