iowa80
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 2,399
|
Post by iowa80 on Mar 23, 2017 16:11:53 GMT -5
Smart is an intelligent guy. It does a disservice to his "smarts" to think that he misjudged what UT basketball was all about only two years ago. He also has four 4 star recruits coming in, and there's no assurance they would or could come with him. Maybe he's s just not up for a rebuild. I wouldn't rule him out, but it's a long shot.
|
|
|
Post by practice on Mar 23, 2017 16:12:28 GMT -5
Shaka would definitely be my #1 choice. If we are going assistant major -- Raphael Chillious -- likely released at Washington and a recruiter extraordinaire. We need someone young, with recruiting ties to DC, and who coaches an uptempo style that is attractive to top recruits. Chilious is from Olney. Also, I suggest someone call Tremont and his family and ask who he would like.
If only Broadus didn't ruin his chance at Binghamton .. has it been long enough yet? Nah.. If this was the NBA, maybe.. Dude could blow up & leave after one year. The hell w/his opinion. I said it somewhat in jest, but a good coach with a core of Waters-Derrickson-Govan, the rest of the current roster and a couple of other JUCO pieces could engineer a pretty quick turnaround into respectability ... any good coach should make another run at Tremont, assuming he doesn't commit before a coach is announced.
|
|
sleepy
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 6,079
|
Post by sleepy on Mar 23, 2017 16:13:47 GMT -5
It is time for a clean break. Shaka Smart is my first, second and third choice. If we cannot lure him away then Gregg Marshall, Tom Crean, Richard Pitino or Archie Miller. Hard pass on Amaker. This is completely where I am, except I'm a hard pass on Marshall, and I would also add in other coaches in our league now. But Shaka for Georgetown, that I'm all in for. Why? Shaka is overrated and has a less impressive resume than III. If we are going to fire someone, the replacement better be better than the original.
|
|
This Just In
Blue & Gray (over 10,000 posts)
Bold Prediction: The Hoyas will win at least 1 BE game in 2023.
Posts: 10,592
|
Post by This Just In on Mar 23, 2017 16:13:50 GMT -5
For what it's worth, I'm not even sure we would have to match Texas. But we would have to make a significant lift. My guess is his team is putting out interest. He's a great coach and someone who I think has always done things the right way. Could see him having confidence to work with JT Jr. Again, ecstatic to see his interest. Think he would be a tremendous ambassador for the program. Shaka for Georgetown--completely behind it. Also, it this doesn't work out, I would gauge interest from within the league. There are some very good coaches in the league like Holtman, Mack, and Cooley. Any of them would be great fits at Georgetown. Ideal situation would be to get someone in at 1 to 1.5 million per year with the incentive of doubling the salary to 3 million per year after successfully rebuilding which should include success in the NCAA's The 3 to 4 year window @ 1 to 1.5 million would allow for the JTIII contract @ 3.6 mill per year to expire while ensuring that the new coach, whomever he is can be successful and deserving of the pay raise.
|
|
bamahoya11
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 1,830
|
Post by bamahoya11 on Mar 23, 2017 16:16:25 GMT -5
Smart is an intelligent guy. It does a disservice to his "smarts" to think that he misjudged what UT basketball was all about only two years ago. He also has four 4 star recruits coming in, and there's no assurance they would or could come with him. Maybe he's s just not up for a rebuild. I wouldn't rule him out, but it's a long shot. I wouldn't sell it short. Texas has served as a mirage for highly talented coaches before. Nick Saban came close to going there a couple years ago before Bama kept him. And if you win there, it can be great I suppose. Huge pay, facilities, literally anything you want under the sun. My guess is he misses the East Coast tenacity he had before. And he's realized the logistical challenges of Texas's culture. Not saying it'll happen, but saying I can understand why Texas would feel different once you're there.
|
|
ahoya2
Century (over 100 posts)
Posts: 135
|
Post by ahoya2 on Mar 23, 2017 16:16:31 GMT -5
Shaka-- no way
|
|
bamahoya11
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 1,830
|
Post by bamahoya11 on Mar 23, 2017 16:18:42 GMT -5
This is completely where I am, except I'm a hard pass on Marshall, and I would also add in other coaches in our league now. But Shaka for Georgetown, that I'm all in for. Why? Shaka is overrated and has a less impressive resume than III. If we are going to fire someone, the replacement better be better than the original. Respectfully disagree. He went to a Final Four at a school from a much more difficult point than we did. Not trying to beat the horse on JTIII, but Shaka is at least as accomplished and better equipped to succeed in the current era of basketball than JTIII. He would also recruit with tenacity and would engage the fan base. He would be a home run.
|
|
|
Post by upstatesaxa on Mar 23, 2017 16:21:38 GMT -5
First off, thanks to the Thompson family for all it has done to make G'town basketball special, despite the present big hole we're in.
I vote big for Tom Crean, for a bunch of reasons. He had success at Marquette, a school very analogous to ours.
Then, he took on the whole complex "Indiana Legacy" challenge and came real close to mastering it. Its been said a lot that the reason IU moved on was that he "couldn't recruit Indiana" which obviously doesn't matter to our rebuild job. While we need to move on from the Thompsons, it would be crazy to throw away all that is good about 1972 onward. Crean, unlike a lot of the younger coaches mentioned in this thread, could likely navigate the tightrope of moving forward while having our (hoop) alums, prominent and regular, feeling welcome around McDonough and the Thompson building.* This history and those relationships are assets that should not be thrown away. Likely nobody understands this better than he.
The Indiana fan base makes us look like kitty cats.
Check out the Indystar article titled "Tom Crean's random acts of kindness." This sounds like a very good man. And motivated in a big way.
Yeah, he is a "retread." But more accomplished than most. Or all. If Shaka "bolts" Texas ahead of a firing squad, then in essence he is a retread too, and not an utter rising star. That said, I like his charisma also. Wonder how plugged in he is to DC high school scene. Seems that like in 73, our rebuild should start close to home. He'd be a good hire.
I like the "Norman Dale" suggestion... does this mean Barbara Hershey would be the New Mary Fenlon?
Somebody else mentioned Broadus. Wonder if he or Pat Jr. could be retained as a bridge of sorts.
* = what does Big John do now? He has always struck me as a supremely realistic human. I hope he doesn't burn it all down. Maybe thats what these last few days have been about... negotiations of some kind.
Tough day. But good day.
|
|
iowa80
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 2,399
|
Post by iowa80 on Mar 23, 2017 16:24:28 GMT -5
Other seats on the Crean bandwagon are available but they are going fast.
|
|
sleepy
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 6,079
|
Post by sleepy on Mar 23, 2017 16:29:06 GMT -5
Why? Shaka is overrated and has a less impressive resume than III. If we are going to fire someone, the replacement better be better than the original. Respectfully disagree. He went to a Final Four at a school from a much more difficult point than we did. Not trying to beat the horse on JTIII, but Shaka is at least as accomplished and better equipped to succeed in the current era of basketball than JTIII. He would also recruit with tenacity and would engage the fan base. He would be a home run. He went to the Final Four as an 11 seed that, if memory serves, had to win a play in game. Winning 5 games in a row once in March does not a great coach make. His teams are sloppy, he makes questionable in-game decisions, and he has thus far under performed at his first major basketball position. Hard pass on Smart. He doesn't have what it takes to win in a major conference.
|
|
|
Post by upstatesaxa on Mar 23, 2017 16:29:25 GMT -5
Other seats on the Crean bandwagon are available but they are going fast. You like him, right? Seems by far the biggest grownup of all the "gettable"candidates mentioned in thisthread. And no, I don't thing Martin or Marshall are gettable. Ann as togh and accomplished as they are, not sure I want a Huggins style drill sergeant grouch as the face of our program.
|
|
iverwig
Century (over 100 posts)
Posts: 130
|
Post by iverwig on Mar 23, 2017 16:29:58 GMT -5
Hard to justify that much for Shaka, but it would be a big swing, and would generate some excitement and boost recruiting. Maybe he realizes that football country can be a tough sell for hoops? Maybe Smart would accept a smaller "salary" if he had some incentives built into the contract to make the same, or more money, if he has success at Georgetown. I can't imagine he would be even considering leaving Texas if it was all about the money. If he is even considering leaving Texas it has to be more about the fact that Texas is not, and never will be, a "basketball" school, and maybe he wants to be somewhere that makes basketball the number 1 priority. If it is about making more money than he does now, I don't see the university giving him that contract right now. Except he would have known before he took the job that Texas was not a basketball school. Texas is always about football! While I would love the hire I can't see him making the move from Texas to Georgetown and if he does it would have nothing to do with it not being a basketball school and probably more to do with the boosters.
|
|
hoyas315
Diamond Hoya (over 2500 posts)
Posts: 3,083
|
Post by hoyas315 on Mar 23, 2017 16:34:48 GMT -5
|
|
iowa80
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 2,399
|
Post by iowa80 on Mar 23, 2017 16:37:11 GMT -5
Other seats on the Crean bandwagon are available but they are going fast. You like him, right? Seems by far the biggest grownup of all the "gettable"candidates mentioned in thisthread. And no, I don't thing Martin or Marshall are gettable. Ann as togh and accomplished as they are, not sure I want a Huggins style drill sergeant grouch as the face of our program. I only see one guy who 1) succeeded at a Big East Jesuit school; 2) rebuilt another major program that was really down; and 3) is out there right now.
|
|
TC
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 9,438
|
Post by TC on Mar 23, 2017 16:42:28 GMT -5
You like him, right? Seems by far the biggest grownup of all the "gettable"candidates mentioned in thisthread. And no, I don't thing Martin or Marshall are gettable. Ann as togh and accomplished as they are, not sure I want a Huggins style drill sergeant grouch as the face of our program. I only see one guy who 1) succeeded at a Big East Jesuit school; 2) rebuilt another major program that was really down; and 3) is out there right now. I don't think we're hiring Al Skinner.
|
|
bamahoya11
Golden Hoya (over 1000 posts)
Posts: 1,830
|
Post by bamahoya11 on Mar 23, 2017 16:44:38 GMT -5
I can't decide what I think of Hurley.
|
|
njhoya78
Platinum Hoya (over 5000 posts)
Posts: 7,760
|
Post by njhoya78 on Mar 23, 2017 16:45:05 GMT -5
This is completely where I am, except I'm a hard pass on Marshall, and I would also add in other coaches in our league now. But Shaka for Georgetown, that I'm all in for. Why? Shaka is overrated and has a less impressive resume than III. If we are going to fire someone, the replacement better be better than the original. Red Holzman, Red Auerbach and John Wooden aren't walking through the front door of the Thompson Center any time soon.
|
|
|
Post by wrestlemania on Mar 23, 2017 16:48:43 GMT -5
|
|
b52legend
Bulldog (over 250 posts)
Posts: 453
|
Post by b52legend on Mar 23, 2017 16:49:02 GMT -5
Who is the Nebraska coach? Perhaps we should consider him -- he knows how to recruit Georgetown players.
In all seriousness, Archie Manning, Smart, Hurley -- all good choices. How about Few? Throw $3.5 million on the table and see his reaction. I just want somebody that has a lot of fire -- both in terms of passion for the job and on the recruiting trail -- and has a big enough personality that they won't be subservient to the Thompson legacy and can go about building a new culture around the program.
|
|
|
Post by upstatesaxa on Mar 23, 2017 16:51:27 GMT -5
Dont want a young grouch (Hurley) either. Though arguably we had a 6'10" one who did OK
|
|